independent universities unnerve authoritarians. everything these institutions strive to achieve is to the demotion and arbitrary exercise of coercive public power. the fates of democracy and universities are intertwined. universities cannot truly thrive under the threat of authoritarian censorship or attack. >> and the president of johns hopkins university, ron daniels, joins us now. author of the book, "what universities owe democracy." thanks so much for being with us, ron. i want to talk about your piece in the "atlantic" regarding teaching civics, something that it used to be people on the right like me talked about all the time. now you're hearing a chorus from both sides. they want their children to learn about american government. they don't want the ideology