we know how fragile this is. we have also known it intellectually. everyone quotes benjamin frankly, the middle point pillow of a republic if you can keep it. that's moved from the quaint to the existential in the last -- i think in the last two years in particular. it may well be that the court is the place where an election challenge, some 14th amendment challenge to having an election result overturned, something like that is probably going to end up in that room and these justices are going to decide. >> so how is president biden looking at this pick? joining us now nbc news correspondent josh letterman who covers the white house. josh, good to see you this morning. present made an explicit promise to democratic voters, first in south carolina, remember, where he was reeling coming out of new hampshire and won thank to black voters in south carolina, thanks