this don't you know? >> process arguments don't work. >> but they work with the base and the republican party. >> they motivate our voters. >> why? >> people who are particularly interested in one, fairness, two, particular issue, like protecting the right to an unborn life, protecting the second amendment, the process matters in those things in a way that it doesn't in a giant legislative goal like medicare for all. >> foes for those voters in the middle, for those voters in the middle, process arguments confuse them. that's the republican tactic. >> it is their own defense right now. >> and they think it is working. >> and getting emails from republicans on the hill, pointing to polling in the past week or so, that is showing that the numbers aren't moving in favor of impeachment. >> that's true. >> and also not moving in favor of the president either. i mean you know, one of the things here is the president may survive impeachment, but at what cost? he's got, you got on the record statements from defenders saying