you find works to convince people? >> unfortunately the one thing that had the most impact is watching a loved one die from this virus. i mean most people are aware of the fact that one of the major conservative talk radio hosts in the country, phil valentine, in nashville, just died over the weekend. and his last wish to his family before he died was please get vaccinated, everybody. he spent months and months and months criticizing anyone's need to get the vaccine. so i can tell you right now here i am in minneapolis and we're not being hit as hard as a lot of the rest of the country and yet we don't have a pediatric intensive care bed today. covid has done this in a way that people can only understand even if you don't get covid,