second catholic president, today's meeting with pope francis wasn't just political. it was clearly personal too. in the senate, on the campaign trail, and in the white house, biden has really leaned into his faith even as his views on abortion put him at odds with some catholic leaders in the u.s. ruby kramer has written extensively on the president and his faith. ruby, you've reported on the president's clash with the catholic church in the u.s. over abortion. the president said he didn't talk about abortion today and dodged a question about the u.s. conference of bishops. >> reporter: mr. president, did the issue of abortion come up at all? >> no, it didn't. we just talked about the fact that i was a catholic and i should keep receiving communion. >> reporter: he said you should be receiving communion? >> yes. >> reporter: did you discuss the conference of bishops? >> that's a private conversation. >> you can see the testiness,