serious. you want to know where civil and serious substantive argument is in american national life, it's in the supreme court chambers, at least. a lot of it belonged in the legislature. why is the supreme court setting the line at viability or 15 weeks? what responsibility or power does it have to do that? none. >> claire, is the argument then that you -- you would make it front of the court simply like this is about -- you have to have a baseline of individual rights for women? >> listen, you know, a patchwork may sound great in theory, but there are poor women that aren't going to have choices. there are poor women that are going to be facing really difficult situations. and they're not going to be able to afford to travel to a "friendly" state. this feels very personal to women. i can assure you. and you know, i just think it's really interesting that kavanaugh was all about precedent when he was in front of the supreme court, reassuring susan collins and then he spent