have today. although, heros like dole serve one last purpose when they pass. we celebrate their life and they can be inspirational, and watching people in that cathedral today talking to each other across party lines, maybe it -- maybe we'll have no tall ja for when people put country first. that would be a final service i think he would appreciate. >> allen simpson, tell me about the times when maybe in that senate republican lunch you guys were ready. you're not ready to compromise, you know, how would he make the case? how would he get everybody to say look, we've got what we want. let's move on. >> well, he would make the case with good humor, and then they'd say, well, how do we craft a bill that we're going to shift off to see if it will be vee teed. no when he does that, he'll chew his leg off.