today. and so we have a lot of work to do, still, number one. but number two -- it seems to me we start to think about this work -- i kept thinking about, what had is it about america that is stopping us from doing, in many ways, what they did in germany and maybe in south africa and the truth and reconciliation thing -- but you cannot really have reconciliation without truth. now this was in 2010 before we had 2016. so, when we started this -- just ask la june and the way we went to the institute of racial reconciliation -- and we asked, how do you do this? what do you do? you can't go -- you have to go through. it going through it means talking about a, talking about it means confronting it. and basically, we came to figure out, the six most important words in the english language, i'm sorry, and i forgive you. but it's kind of hard to say i forgive you if someone says i'm sorry they won't say i'm sorry if they don't acknowledge the truth of what it is not happened. so we have to work through that. we did this welcome table exercise with kellogg's financial support. i think we had 20 or 30 circles of 20 or so people of different races and creeds and colors. and they met continually over a long period of time and they began to see each, other understand each other, listen
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