i think -- but also a new level of, sort of -- a new death to his understanding compared to how it's previously done. >> it's interesting, i was also kind of waiting for the but, we have the advantage, i was sort of leafing through, waiting for the bat as well. because president biden, even when he was vice president biden and senator biden, i extended to talk about policing as another working last job, and he is working class joe. so he's talked about policing, as somebody empathizes with police as working class worker workers. and empathizes saw much with them, the sort of reflexes to say, they need more money. just give them more money. put more money in. that's really what was done in the 1990s as well. but i also thought it was refreshing that the focus was on the families, on what parents have to tell their children, on empathy for those who have been harmed or killed. just pure empathy -- he did throw line about