voters and fighting with them looks like he's lost control. >> this is an out of nowhere question and germane to everything we see every day. can you tell me how the democrats are going to end up with an all white stage at the next debate? how did that happen? >> well, you know, there's not much of a pipeline so that's one thing to consider. i also think that black voters interestingly enough in supporting joe biden, for example, have really proven to be conservative, not in the way we might think about it but in the sense they are extremely concerned maybe more than any other voter about who is theoretically electable and so far they've gone with joe biden. i think it'll be interesting to see what happens after iowa, though, because, you know, if joe biden doesn't win iowa black