do that. he wants to be aggressive and he thinks that to be aggressive you have to do it in person. and i will say, he -- you know, all the polls are showing now that he is behind. so, the person behind generally would want a debate. they would want to have a chance to change some binds or get darcht message out there. so, i'm a little surprised they shut it down completely. but that's why i think you saw them open the door a little bit tonight where as you mentioned his campaign manager saying look, he's fit to go in person, as his doctor has said and they're trying to convince the commission. i just don't think that's going to work. i think the commission came to that decision carefully. they've seen what happened these last two debates and it does not sound like they're going to budge. >> alexi, i'm also old enough to remember the vice presidential debate. hard to believe that was just last night. trump on reacting to the harris performance stayed on brand. i'll play this. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> she was terrible.