investigators about numerous interactions with jeffrey clark, a trump official at the doj including one in december during which clark admitted to meeting with former president trump. rosen reportedly told investigators clark and held unauthorized conversations with the former president about ways to have the department of justice publicly cast doubt on joe biden's victory. with all that, let's bring in our lead off guests on this monday night, lisa layered, national political correspondent for the new york times. neil catchable, former acting solicitor general during the poem administration who has argued dozens of cases before the u.s. supreme court, and doctor patel clinical position for policy aid during the obama administration. she's also one of our public health experts and a nonresident fellow ad to brookings. doctor, i'd like to begin with you where are you --