trump has gone with the latter, his own interests over ours. >> evelyn farkas, you have experience with issues involving the ukraine. were you surprised tonight to see the word "ukraine" in the "washington post" headline? >> no, lawrence, i wasn't surprised at all. i mean, the president seems to be, as ned pointed out, you know, looking out for himself and his interest with ukraine unfortunately has focused on trying to come up with some dirt on president vieden, which really by the way doesn't exist. but the big yes problem we really have to pull back, and as the congressman pointed out this is about a tension between the executive branch and congress, between the white house and congress. we put laws into place. congress put laws into place in the '70s in reaction to abuses by the cia. they conducted all kinds of attempted assassinations in the '50s and '60s. you know your history. you were in the senate. and as a result basically what congress said was okay, cia, you can do some dirty things