release of $250 million in aid that the administration was withholding from the country of ukraine. but the quo in this case may well have been something for president trump himself, not something for us, not something that served our national interest, but something that served president trump's political interest perhaps. and time and again this has really been the heart of every trump scandal, where his personal, financial or political interests don't align with our national interests. and every single time it seems trump has gone with the latter, his own interests over ours. >> evelyn farkas, you have experience with issues involving the ukraine. were you surprised tonight to see the word "ukraine" in the "washington post" headline? >> no, lawrence, i wasn't surprised at all. i mean, the president seems to be, as ned pointed out, you know, looking out for himself and his interest with ukraine unfortunately has focused on trying to come up with some dirt on president biden, which really by the way doesn't exist. but the big yes problem we