the same role that lieutenant colonel alexander vinldmdman wod for the president. in many ways it's corroborating what you hear from other witnesses. and lawrence, if she said something today that exonerated the president or was an arrow pointing in the opposite direction of where all the arrows are pointing in this scheme, i could tell you that. but that's not what occurred. we saw more corroboration of this shakedown scheme from president trump. but also to you your point about rudy giuliani, we now have a number of witnesses who have described rudy giuliani being told to them by president trump as rudy is our guy in ukraine. so you have this agency relationship between rudy giuliani and president trump. a sharp straight line between the two of them. even if rudy giuliani is carrying out some foreign policy position, that is donald trump's foreign policy position. and the two are inseparable.