it's working, right? as you said, the share of families suffering from food insecurity dropped precipitously. in the bottom line was the money flowed into bank accounts. and what happened? a couple million kids, fewer million kids went to bed hungry. that's what it's all about. >> so the issue here is we raised a quarter of these children out of that hunger. this thing may in fact raise a larger percentage of children out of poverty. you see where the money is spent. so all the arguments about how people spend their money irresponsibly because that's how we think about poor and low wealth people in this country sometimes, all that has been laid waste, which leads the argument that this maybe is the kind of thing we should be doing with our tax dollars as opposed to sort of wringing our hands about tax cuts for the wealthy. >> oh, exactly. you just think about a single mom, right, a toddler, maybe a second grade daughter, right, who makes about $10,000 a year