michael, we've become numb to it, but trump has made history again in the worse way. >> right. more than in the worse way. i think probably in about 20 ways. you know let's, if any of us is numb to this and i think we're probably not. one -- but in case we are, imagine this was dwight eisenhower on truman falling asleep in court accused of what he is being accuseed of. this is not exactly what the founders had in mind for a future president. they thought they had created a system that would exclude people that would be likely to be at least accused of criminal conduct. of course we don't know if he will be found guilty or not. and i remember a guy, i think it was a male, the person in the trump entourage who said it'll be great he can campaign