>> in terms of senator manchin and senator sinema who's really the two that we know are who are in the way, president biden isn't singling them out by name. he's not directing people to pressure them. but certainly, one of the effects of a clarion and public call like this, people are going to lobby and pressure and try to reason with those two senators to try to move them on this issue. are you optimistic that those efforts may ever succeed? >> i am. i am. you know, nelson mandela told us it's always impossible until it's done. and we've heard again and again, it would be impossible to get joe manchin on this bill. he said he would never support the for the people act. well, the freedom to vote act has 90% of the content of the for the people act, he's one of the principal authors. we heard him today say that he was actually -- would support