don't try and promise the moon. i just come from the school, you know, a c.i.a. officer and pentagon official, under promise and over deliver and we haven't been doing that. >> i mean, cleve, she's not wrong, i don't think, i don't think. do discrete things well. the question is from your reporting, is there appetite within congressional democrats to actually follow through on that? >> yeah, well, two things. i understand under promise and over deliver, but i think one of the problems that democrats and joe biden specifically have had is not delivering on the promises that they've made, especially with things regarding black folders, voting rights. criminal justice reform. so, you know, i understand wanting to take smaller, you know, steps, but i've talked to a considerable number of people who just feel that, you know, the time for those steps is sort of over and there needs to be more of an effort to deliver on the reasons that people put, put