the meeting at the trump power they said, oh, we didn't know that was illegal. when trump gave classified information, we didn't know we were not supposed to do that. on and on. you could be both ignorant and corrupt. trump displayed an astonishing level of corruption as well not just with regard to the ukrainian situation, the russian investigation, aemoluments and down the line. it is both. he is ignorant and profoundly corrupt. >> we talked so much about there not being a strategy from the white house. we heard all of these tried out, tested out by lawmakers. if the president were paying attention, this would cause him to bristle. are any of these steching as you look at what might become the coherency narrative? >> i don't think he is too dumb