challenge anything. that's what i'm hearing from civil rights leaders and activists. the president has been speak out more and more. >> let's turn to the moratorium. we us in that briefing we heard from gene sperling. it seems in the last few days, the white house, democrats and republicans have been working on issues, but not this one. it seems to be falling apart, and there's a lot of finger pointing. how do we fix this? >> no one seems to know. right now congress is at the worst game of tennis right now, back and forth, back and forth. the thing is i've been at the capitol on sunday talking to some of the congressional leaders and staff who have been out there. what they're telling us is they were blind-sided a little bit when the white house came out and said on the 29th congress has to do something with a couple of days before recess, right? they say the people who have authority is the white house and the cdc.