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i mean, do they no longer believe the west or not afraid of the west? they don t hold the same values as the west. how do you see it? well, 1st of all, i am in moscow for one week. now, for me is an enormous privilege to be here because i m learning so much. i m talking to a wide spectrum from the highest levels to the men in the streets. and obviously if you are in the west or even if you are in asia, it s absolutely impossible. you have to be here. i see it as the capital of the 21st century and i wrote about it. well, 1st of all, let me concentrate on 3 bricks. very, very important. i will say that these 3 bricks apart from russia are on the forefront of what might be our emerging will to color world. and their reactions are very different. apparently, china in brazil are interested in playing a role of mediators, but there s an enormous problem. china releases the very detailed piece. glenn. 12 point be splash, which of course chinese diplomacy new will be rejected by the west, but the global south state, the tension. and for the global south, china is a responsible global power offering away out a peaceful way out, which is directly linked to good chinese, the concept of community of shared benefits form and kind prosperity form in brazil wants to pose as the mediator. but we have lula visiting abiding in washington and lighting up the christ, the redeemer stature, with the ukranian flag real and worse, voting against russia at the us. so what was the russian reaction? love wrong master diplomat said we understand that the situation of the brazilian go back a moment, which is true because of rob knows that little as margins of maneuver is like this . and brazil has been taken hostage by globalist sorrows davosto by them and straighten altogether. but because deputy foreign minister, he actually said what the russian sink, your mediation proposal is basically irrelevant. we re not being efficiency, you are paying attention to here in moscow to russia through china, sorry, and india, india of course. in the other 3 of the other 3 large bricks are influential bricks, their position is much more new, whence india is in theory. but the diplomatic support behind russia, as we saw it during the g 20 in new delhi. and of course, the trade volumes between ended russia, which keep going up, especially on the energy sphere show that angel understands the rational, officially in all these leading fluids. this is the rest of the global south. glad peter. it s really interesting these countries that believe in a multiple, a polar world are actually behaving that way because they re not in st. george campaign. go right ahead. well yeah, i was wondering because when we, we talked about india s role in the g 20 on the gaggle a couple of days ago. and it seemed like india had failed. i mean, it is a fail to step up to the plate to act as an independent grade power. it has failed because the it prepared a joint statement for the g 20. apparently unaware that by copying and pasting 2 paragraphs strongly barley communicate, that would be fine. and, but not only did russia say we re not going to accept lease the lease to barrows, but so did the china. so basically there was no joint a statement. and that was really down to india because if india really wants to be, as they present themselves, the voice of the global south, much more so than china, the voice of the global south than india could. and should have insisted that we will only discuss those items on the agenda that are important to get over the global south with namely, food prices, fertilizer prices, energy prices, debt relief, log pharmaceuticals, patterns and all that kind of stuff. but in the didn t do that, and so i just wonder why didn t india do that? and there are rumors going around that india is now under pressure from long george soros. and where sorrows goes, there goes the united states and they want to get rid of movie. they don t thing movies sufficiently with the program. and that india has been intimidated as we know before that the answers and this is going on at the same time we re trade between india in russia is growing leaps and bounds almost over the course of one year, a unique, huge energy relationship. so kind of echoing george s question here, i mean, on the diplomatic one, think they were, they were some trepidation on other all other problems. it seems like china is already made its decision. pepe. well peter and george angel was in the same position in new delhi as indonesia was in body going to 20 in body. they were and 3 main display aggressive pressure from the combined west, including of course, vaughan the relying representing the european union and european commission as well . so the indians are it s interesting because what i heard here in more school from source is close to diplomatic sources is that they also understand the indian position and love rog. talk to jason car before john love rob and josh and kind of they had a fantastic, bilateral meeting before the beginning of the, of the g to the new that the foreign ministry. some it would be hijacked by the west again. and of course, what you did try to do in the final declaration was i would say i was strategic. it was not very, very clever. it was a copy and paste job. in fact, they should have come up with a different decker, but they knew they came with their own by no declaration. ras, it would need just be rejected. so they tried to, you know, cut it both ways. it didn t work because it didn t look like i saw the job. you re, you re absolutely right both of you. but at the same time they are postponing, you know, let s see the clash because you know, the clash is going to happen in a few months from now. after she s a visit to moscow during and immediately after the break summit in south africa in august. so we have a low at the moment after august i think that the west is going to go bleed off ski off the rails in terms of freak out. because then we re going to see the situation in the boss turning completely against well, what s the point of the g 20? then there s no point. i mean that s quite g 7 can show up and hide packet, they already have the keys up. and so why you, i mean, over me exactly that utility and that s what s going to happen. like we only had one voice from the west so far, basically saying that clearly is that was the dumb pulse or when books or temples are at the end of december, he wrote to very, very sharp and, and basically advice to credit suisse clients. and he actually said that, look, instead of saying briggs 5, i came up with you 7 of the, this is the, the g 7 that really matters. and it s going to be an expanded. you re going to be unexpected. g 20 love rob said this week there are over 2 dozen candidates went to getting to bricks plus. so it s not, it doesn t any more. everybody wants to get into breaks. plus. during this week here i heard this from arabs as well. every body in the arab world wants to be part of bricks. so, so this is the new saying that it again, it could be diluted. i m not really sure of the point here and then it ends up being a dinner club. george, i quite agree. it does just become a dinner club and the, you know, particularly as the, you know, the g 7 as you say, be to dominate. and really, this is where the problem is. i mean, well, the united states has laid down, but particularly with the sabotage over the north stream pipelines is that, you know, this isn t going to tolerate some kind of a new ordering of the world dominated by, you know, china s built and road initiative. and so that, that just have to get to accept this and therefore the night states will go ahead and sabotage it in whatever way it can. and that s why when in india comes along and sort of essentially wants to play both sides. well, we re part of the quad, but we re also the voice of the global south. and then when, unfortunately, countries that are clearly in the us cross says and, but still make nice with the us, i m thinking and particularly the, the countries of central asia and who will obviously be part of the building road initiative. then you know, i, i, i m not quite so sanguine as to, you know, how successful this new venture will be? well, we don t, we don t, we don t, we don t know. we don t know how briggs floss is going to be expanded. i love rob already said many times we need seniors discussions before august, the summit in south africa to finalize the mechanism. this is going to be very complicated because now they are also dealing with an amputated bricks member, which is brazil. brazil for the moment is not the be in brazil should be, may be in the short bell. our rules are believed to brazil for the moment. is that in terms of a bricks actor? unfortunately, i have to, i had to recognize this after many red alerts from, i know lula for instance. but, and now it s that, that s it. you know, it s lost at least for the moment. but the most important thing is the parent allow class being followed by china, russia in india, for instance india. they are concentrated not on the bell to rolled the concentrated on the international or south transportation corridor, which is russia. you run in india, you run becoming a member of bricks like they are becoming a member of the s c o. we going to have a mag up bush and this is already something that i heard most of this week. ok, i mean we got to go to a hot breaking for that hard break. we ll continue our discussion on some real with ah, a welcome back to cross stock. were all things are considered? i m peter little. this is the home addition to remind you. we re discussing some real news. ah, let us go back to georgia in budapest year. i me, it, the west always plays the same tomb. either you re with us or you re against us. now, the ukraine is turned into an epicenter for a lot of different things. reason why we re doing this program here. is it ok maybe you know, there are countries that are, are, are trying to take a middle road like india. but i, in the slide is, is very, very evident. is that a more and more countries in the global self, the global majority are saying, now we re going to sit this one out and there are consequences for and everyone s bracing for it. but if you, if the u. s. wants to sanction the entire world that it s a futile struggle. george? a we re at a tipping point of some of some nature. yes, i mean there s, there s no question. i think that, oh, the rest of the world has indeed the sad know when all guy guy come home with the sanctions, this isn t our fight. this is, you know, this is a european problem, not a global problem. you want to present as a global problem. but is clear, i mean, that the united states, particularly on the bible, who knows what comes of is presenting a very much a dividing line in the world. i mean, you know, biden is a very divisive president, and just as he s doing a very divisive, i think in the united states are the, you know, the, these of the scum, the, unacceptable, and these are the accept or he s done much the same thing in the rest of the world and he s saying, you know, you, you have to choose, ah, which side you re on. and it s not like is okay fine, we ll do what we want. they re going to come at you. if you don t follow the line and we go, we have the color revolutions always on hand. we ve got all the sanctions always on hand. i and we have a regime change. i mean, the very fact that they re trying to push a modi out. i mean, mowdy was been me a very, very delicately, a boy in his relationship. she that is essentially with the united states. they are going to really say you have to join with us. if not, then things are going to be very bad for you. will pepe way in on that because, you know, there s been so many countervailing forces in play here. we have votes at the united nations, but love the countries that voted against russia. the united nations want new trade relationships here. i mean, there s so many different things going on simultaneously. i mean, is it maybe that a lot of these countries think that the u. s. in its allies can control the plain called diplomacy, but then the rest of it, it s just, it s, it s puffin. we re going to go and do what we re going to do because they aren t in gauging and sanctions on the police and the political realm. they seem to go along with what really counts. they say, no, we re not going to get involved. i mean, how do a fair characterization? i think it in different latitudes, and this is another thing that struck me here on the sidelines of all die in law school talking to turks, pakistanis arabs, iranians. the more or less you could feel that they were saying, look, some things big is going to happen. so we don t know exactly what it is. so we have to get to be ready for all sorts of scenarios for them. the number one scenario is trades among them erasure, including the arabs as well and trying to bypass us sanctions. and of course the underlying issue trying to bypass the west dollar in the long run. everybody knows this is a very long process, but the train has already left the station. at the same time. this, this means a concentration on the 3 corridors. so in terms of south america, is america sewer trade corridor. in terms of russia, you run into the international north, south switch as hungry ramifications of the caucuses as well. and central asia from india, afghanistan, and central asia, and the ages are very much looking terms of enhanced trade for them. let s say the engine version of the souk roads. and at the same time, china already said from, at the start of the year, the su correct, the new so groups are back this year. there s going to be a, b, r i summit, the beijing later this year as well. this means that chinese investment not only across the region but west asia, what we call you used to be the middle east and africa in latin america are going up. the nav, so everybody is concentrating on 3 defense because it, they re just a 2nd. if you allow, they know that the american plan a, from our wong, is going to be a mix of cia covert ops at them said regime change all over the planet literally. well, george, i mean, i thought it was all about democracy, the doctor said, maybe as it said anything yet, that maybe he s going to get to it. you get my point towards it, right though, i think that that s right, and i think that s why there is a god of geopolitical global struggle. i mean, it s, it s, it s as acute as at any time during the cold war. so you have the, basically, the russia, china block of it for the time being that is a block in or whether it actually becomes a military alliance or not. but you know, it s kind of, it is a block now. and then you have the basically native land and its various jobs around the world, such as japan. this, this nato land block isn t going to allow russia, china block to somehow dominate and say, oh, just, you know, continue trade and, and the, and, and, and so on. and they become our, our infrastructure, our insulin, they re not going to do it. i mean, they, you know, we ve seen, you know, how they act with like north stream this on north stream is a big, big geopolitical threat to them. that s why they were set out to destroy it. and as seymour hersh pointed out, the plan was in place even before october. the 24th i was they saw this is a serious threat. that s how they re going to see the, you know, you know, in the future with anything to do with the belt and road initiative. so ultimately, many countries are going to have to decide, you know, the conscious allow russia to do all the heavy lifting. and then they can just sit and whittle the thumbs and say, well, i m going to be here with, with the the quad one minute. and then i ll be a, with, with the russians next monday. so it is, i think, is going to be very acute of geopolitical struggle. you know, it is something peppy, something that georgia i ve talked about in our podcast to gaggle. is it, it, this is the 1st time in our lifetime, the great powers of what a great power is challenging another, a great power directly. you always avoid that because if you do that, you could lose, okay? when you do, you do it through proxy, you know, you know, you know, put lawyer pipelines and all that kind of stuff. you know, but i mean when you going toe to toe, that s a no, no, you shouldn t do that because it can spell disaster pepe. well, we re not dealing with the iraq afghanistan libya anymore, and we re not dealing with the beginning of the middle part and the ending of the war on terror. we all knew that that was an absolutely fake concept from top to bottom right. to justify something that they wanted to do in the 1st place, which is take over islamic lance. that happens to be very rich in energy or minerals or bolts. now it s a different story. now it s the ultimate, mocking the media and spike brzezinski. you know what, we have our own whole list of jo politicians nightmare. we have not only one to peer, competitor eurasia. we have a strategic alliance of 2 peer competitors and they are very strong individually not to mention together. so can you imagine in the, in those very, very narrow minds, across the beltway, who were born, grew up and live through my kim, they re all their lives. no wonder they re freaking out. because this is the real deal. this is a system and the emergence of an alternative system all over the world. the emergence of the global sauce in one hand, but also the emergence offer ancient powers that are coming back to the forefront of the table. in the case of china, they had a small interval of 150 years, which in their millionaire history is nothing. so they are back to the position that they were for most of recorded history. and the case of russia was always a big power for the past 500 years, at least. so for the, for us is also, and of course the rest of the global south are look ok. ok, at least we have a sort of landlord with stripping of any ideological reference. but russia and china are the vanguard nowadays for the rest of the planet, trying to find a more equitable. and obviously, as you said, for the elite, the atlanta system leads. this is beyond an optimal right? it because george, i mean that the west is always portraying it is some kind of ideological struggle and, and the, when they look at, you know, the chief mints and i think they re real of postwar europe prosperity. a lot, a lot of largest security and they did it off of russian energy. so, i mean that s why in the say, we might do that too. i said that s not a bad, bad way of approaching china also here. but that because the west always covers everything in ideology, i think for a lot of people in the south it s, i have no idea what you re talking about. ok. i, we, we, we want to pull the bottom property. i don t know what you re talking about, but we know what we want to do, george? yeah, that s very interesting. but when one side is it a logical i think the other side also has to up the ante a raise the game and make it illogical as well. as happened during the cold war, i mean you had, you know, the etiology of the communist world. so the non communist will have to come up with an alternative, idiology will roster, karl popper as a whole. and you know, was all you created this ideological mix of this is the west, the anti communist west? so i think something of the, of this sort is happening now. and it s russia, once again, that s articulating an alternative etiology. i mean, we have oversee the decadence of the west, the exploitative of neo colonial west, ah, national sovereignty. and you know, basically of the respectful, the, you ensure that it s a, it s a kind of easy, logical mix that the, the russians are cobbling together. we don t fully see the how it s going to shape up, but i think you have to, if one side is waging an ideological spite. well, i mean, maybe we got 45 seconds here, but ok. because the westman makes it id go. i think george is right because these are rules, rules based order book is when all that there is going to be a i think, a fundamental and unified reaction to that. and it s in the cards. go ahead, pepe yes. well, the chinese concept, this community for a share tutor for mankind, which when you break it all down it s, it s peaceful, modernization, peaceful trade and peaceful relations according to the un charter, which is not respected by the west as a whole, especially by united states. and the russians have of the concept of the greater you regional partnership, which is basically a unified eurasia, including the peninsula called europe. everybody doing trade a lot, a lot china, right. which is something that puts the proposal a 2007 at the munich security conference, and nobody paid attention. so they intersect in what they would like to have in terms of, of a new system. and as you said in georgia, you re almost out of time, but it s an offer they will never accept. it is absolutely right. you know, in your ration landmass, that little part on the, in the, in there that s called europe. and that s how it s going to become irrelevant. that s all the time we have. i want to think, my guess in budapest and here in mosque, i want to thank our viewers for watching us. here are the see you next time remember crossed up walls. ah ah ah ah, with ah ah ah, a ukrainian military convoy is destroyed by russian artillery fire, as camps troop leave from the key study of our fioma, almost completely encircled by russian forces also in the program. is not on the phone. i m sorry to say it in such blunt terms, you have not been able to restore the sovereignty, not the military nor security. prentice president mccall been the blame on the democratic republic of congo for regional insecurity as protest. her slam parents for imposing sanctions on russia rather than rwanda.