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that triggers. i think that you see secretary mathis evolving himself. >> very interesting statement the other night at alford smith dinner that i think forecast that he may be forthcoming, susan, with more because as careful and strategic and let's say his way of being the military man that doesn't give a lot, to make a crack like that saying i got my bone spurs on the field and donald trump got it from a doctor was quite a statement to come from general mathis. >> i also think it was a warning shot. that's what it served as, i don't think general mathis wants to get into the political fray at all. he would have to say to see a clear and present danger for him to come in: he doesn't want to be responsible for the election of 2020. you can see it. he doesn't feel like it's his job to do it. i agree what's going to change it is all the testimony. it's going to be the sondland