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that they don't want to default. they want to avoid that, but they don't agree on how to do it. mccarthy wants to hold it at hostage in return for massive cuts on discretionary programs meaning basically everything but social security and medicare which along with defense, make up the clear bulk of the budget while president biden has been adamant that no cuts are on the table. none. so what are these guys going to talk about? and how will mitch mcconnell, chuck schumer and hakeem jefferies factor in? they will also be at that may 9th meeting. does it end an agreement to disagree unt...

Conversations in the oval office. Is that legal . Plus, did the president ask former fbi director james comey whether he was under investigation and asked the former fbi director for loyalty . All of this as interviews expected to fill for the vacant position. We will tell you the candidates on the short list. And a deluge on the northeast. We have latest on the forecast ahead. We want to go back to the live pictures of joint base andrews. Air force one is in position with president boarding to travel to virginia. He will deliver the commencement speech at Liberty University. His first speech ...

Choose which programs get money and which don't and that could impact, medicare, social security, food stamp programs and all situations would be avoided 78 times in the past. >> the problem is we've never been here before and nobody wants to test it out to see what exactly happens in a case like this. brian chung, and aly vitale and joining us is heather boucher. hopefully we won't get interrupted by a settlement. nothing is on the table. let's talk about what the white house is doing. how serious is the talk about using executive action and invoking the 14th amendment to say the debt limit i...

Week in congress. democrats racing to avoid a government shutdown. after advancing the critical $3 ant 5 trillion reconciliation plan this week. house democrats staring down a voting on infrastructure bill. aly vitale is on it for us on capitol hill. let's talk reconciliation first. what are the biggest caveats here first for the reconciliation draft? and what happens if it fails? >> reporter: look. i think the overaveraging message is the summer break is over. lawmakers will be back in washington tomorrow and you autolined the tall order to contend with here. reconciliation chief among them. ...

Make murder illegal and yet people still do it. laws are not going to fix everything. >> the three-day convention wrapping up today with senator sanders, castro and john delaney. nbc news road warrior aly vitale is there for us. >> reporter: over the course of two days we have seen some highs and lows and one of the highs is bernie sanders from the crowd with the pitch for his candidacy and thanking the people with him in 2016 and whose support he is hoping to keep in 2020 but it was also a day of veiled jabs at vice president joe biden. listen to what bernie said. >> there is a debate among p...