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trump's talking points. is that a mistake? >> i guess we'll see the ultimate answer when voters weigh in. it's not been a strategy that has been proving to be a good one thus far for the desantis campaign. i think it sort of gets at a key conu conundrum, a problem for desantis to solve here. how do you overtake the guy you're trying to overtake, who's 30 points ahead of you in the polls, but not only are you not making the case directly against him, you're actually using his own lines because you are in this tension between his dominance in the race and what republican primary voters are eager to hear. and desantis just seems to be stuck in this problem that he hasn't yet solved for. >> kevin madden is with us as well. we see these new dueling ads. we just saw some from the hailey and desantis sides attacking each other. does that change the dynamic of the race when trump, according to all the polls, is still very much the dominant front-runner?

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watched debate would be for him in allowing his opponents to take their shots. he says that's why he's not going. why, if he's running that far ahead, should he allow his opponents that kind of opportunity? it has worked out quite well for him. voters have not seemed to mind at all in terms of their support for donald trump that he has not been on the debate stage. >> interesting. kevin, cnn's edward isaac noveer has a close look at the biden campaign's 2020 strategy. he writes, "the 2024 campaign year for president joe biden's inner circle will largely be about carefully ratcheting up the intensity against donald trump, wary of voters becoming dulled to what they expect to be the former president's ever-wilder rhetoric and promises about what he would do if he comes back to power." what does that signal to you? >> i think it spikes to what ashley was saying earlier. the biden campaign has a lot of

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>> not really. i think the theory by bows trump -- by both hailey and desantis, they don't want to antagonize the most vocal, animated, republican base vote history has some sort of support for donald trump. i think the flaw in that theory is that voters already have trump if they want to choose him. and trump has, in some of these early primary states, a 15, 20-point lead. the race goes through trump. so taking on each other with glancing blows, with ads 13 days away from decision time, is not really going to alter the trajectory of this race. and for either one of them to win, it needs a dramatic alteration right now in the current trend lines. >> ashley etienne as well, what do you think candidates need to do right now in this home stretch to get ahead when trump is still looming so large over the race, and how should democrats be thinking about this? >> no, i think kevin's

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rhetoric. the courts are the right place for this. mr. trump's appeal today is appropriate. the attacks on me, my family, and my staff are not. >> have there been additional threats since then? >> i'm really not comfortable discussing my personal security, and i just want to express my appreciation for law enforcement and the good work that they have done in protecting me and the people around me, including those i love. >> totally understandable, maine secretary of state shenna bellows, thank you. we'll stay in close touch with you for sure. >> thank you. >> reaction from our legal and law enforcement experts who are with us. carrie cordero, what's your reaction to the arguments that trump's legal team is making in this appeal to get back on the ballot in maine? >> well, predictable that they're going to obviously

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challenging the to remove him from the primary pal lot in maine based on the 14th amendment's insurrectionist ban. we'll speak live with maine's secretary of state, shen that bellows, in just a few moments. first are cnn's chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid. what is trump's team arguing, and what happens next? >> reporter: now it's up to the main maine courts. the trump team is asking the court to overturn the decision by maine's secretary of state of c maine, shenthat bellows. she opted to remove trump from the ballot. if you don't like what the secretary of state says about your ballot eligibility, you can appeal that to the court system, which is what they've done here, asking them to overturn her decision. trump's team arguing, "the secretary was a biased decisionmaker who should have recused herself and had no local

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it's a little different than some of the other oaths that other officers, as defined under federal law and the constitution, take. so there is that difference. that's why the supreme court is going to have to settle that officer question. you know, when we think about it in lay terms, we think, well of course the president is an officer of the united states. but there is actually sort of extensive constitutional debate over that. and that's supreme court territory. >> speaking of the supreme court, andrew, how much pressure is the u.s. supreme court under right now to take this into consideration? >> enormous. enormous amount of pressure. the simple -- the fact that we are looking at the possibility of multiple states deciding this issue, not only differently but on different grounds, that is a conflict that the supreme court was born to resolve. inconsistency across the states and the interpretation of the constitution, the execution of federal matters, really. they absolutely must weigh in

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how long will it take them? time is of the essence. ballots are going out, particularly for the primaries. i'm told it's even possible they could not even do oral arguments here to make their decision sooner. but i think this is going to be our slogan for 2024, wolf. "all eyes on the supreme court." >> good point, paula reid, thank you very much. joining us now to respond to donald trump's legal appeal, the maine secretary of state, shenna bellows. madam secretary, thank you for joining us. trump's appeal claims you lack the authority to remove trump from the ballot and accuses you of political bias. let me quote from this 11-page document that was just released. "the secretary should have recused herself due to her bias against president trump as demonstrated by a documented history of prior statements prejudging the issue presented." madam secretary, how do you respond to that? >> first, thank you for having me. i swore an oath to uphold the

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of trump's argument that the maine secretary of state, we just heard her, was politically biased against him? >> i think that's probably the least-effective argument he'll make in the courts of this proceeding. the court is unlikely to take that into great consideration. the maine secretary of state serves i think at the discretion of the governor. she was appointed in her position. most folks in those positions have political affiliations. i don't think any of those indicators undermine her decision. but it's the questions of process, the questions of what is the sort of due process that he was entitled to in this -- according to what's happened in maine, and was that standard met? that's the more substantive and potential more effective argument. >> marcus quhild recess, in his appeal trump's attorneys write this. "section 3 of the 14th amendment to the constitution does not apply to president trump. he has never served as an officer of the united states and has never taken an oath to support the constitution."

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this accountability would not have happened were it not for that congressional hearing. >> reporter: stefanic underscoring that her investigation will continue. >> giving lawyerly, equivocal answers -- i think this is the bigger issue. >> reporter: gay's tenure as president was the shortest in harvard's nearly 400-year history. she was also the school's first black president and only the second woman at the helm. in her resignation note, she wrote that it has been frightening to be subjected to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus. dr. gay will remain a member of harvard's faculty. the school says that it will start a search for a new president in due course. some conservatives on capitol hill say they will now train their ire on m.i.t.'s president, also at that hearing, as well as other leaders of other universities that they consider

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insurrection, and therefore, president trump's political speech was protected by the first amendment." madam secretary what do you make of that? >> i encourage people to read the decision, it's 34 pages, in its entirety. it's on the secretary of state's website. i did carefully consider all aspects of my decision, looking at first amendment considerations. but first and foremost, it's important to recognize the maine legislature has delegated to me as secretary of state the responsibility to ensure candidates who appear on the primary ballot qualify for the office they seek. section 3 of the 14th amendment is part of the constitution. it's not an option. it's a requirement. just as the other qualifications for president, like age or citizenship or not allowing someone like barack obama or george w. bush, who have served twice, to serve again. i did my duty, and we await the

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