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the president of the united states with nobody but the special prosecutor and perhaps the president of the united states knows what he has been up to. the way the media has been playing it up. either the obama administration lost its security clearance or didn t get security clearance and that wasn t big news back then. i think we may see the end of jared and ivanka. this is not normal. let s be clear. it is not normal to have a public spat with the attorney general over his independence. i agree with what the president said. the president should be telling the attorney general what he wants done. they tell me they are worried about it because they say this
has a different feel and he s spiraling, kind of lashing out, out of control. howie: is the press overdramatizing these developments? and why are the purpose dids slamming ivanka trump for challenging a question about her father s accusers. the press remains sceptical over why so few journalists are giving this president credit for challenging the nra. and alec baldwin says he s sick of playing president trump. i m howard kurtz and this is media buzz live from washington. hope hicks who i first met in the first week of donald trump s
campaign stunned washington by re-signing. a communications director whose voice few americans have heard. president trump: she is a little shy, but she is really talented. hope, say a couple words. merry christmas, everyone, and thank you, donald trump. howie: conflicting accounts of what she said on capitol hill. mollie hemingway, and ed henry and capri cafaro. mollie, losing hope, very clever. hope hicks who stayed behind the scenes is being cast by the press as the latest sign of utter chaos at the white house.
molly: there seems to be a cyclical nature to the stories. the press every few weeks or every few months how things are spiraling out of control. a couple of months ago it was donald trump s mental health that was in question. clearly this white house is different from other white house. but i don t think anonymous sources have been serving our journalists very well. not only because they frequently turn out to be false. and also because reporters don t seem to understand this white house and president. howie: a lot of these anonymous sources seem to be in or around the white house. hope s departure came after that closed door testimony where she is alleged to have acknowledged
white lies on the president s behalf. she didn t try to spin it. she just said i m out of here. ed: the press put a negative spin on something donald trump did? this is the same song playing over and over again. when you played those clips, is it live or mem oorkd or memorex. but to be fair and balanced, the white house is feeding it. there are people inside the white house other fringes of the white house, advisors to the president. some people puff themselves you have and they are not really advisors. but i have never seen a white house where people like to dump on themselves and dump on the
president. howie: others saying gary cohn may quit after the battle on tariffs, h.r. mcmasters. isn t it true that ultimately these are all staff. sure. there is no question the media is trying to really i think amplify the issue that there is turnover. they are trying to create this narrative that this rapid turnover is faster than it has been in any other white house. i did a little bit of digging. i consume media from a bunch of different sources. just a cursory research i did, npr headlined, trump containment team loses influence as chaos at the white house gets worse.
cnn, fueling trump s chaos. so it goes on and on. abc news, trump white house in disarray creates openings for u.s. rivals. how where no offense to hope hicks, she has been inning flungs. been been very influential. as every staffer is. howie: washington post anonymous officials say it s pure madness at the white house. jared kushner lost his top secret clearance. i wonder if anti-jared sources want to push him out. molly: if you are going to use
anonymous sources it s clear to know how you are being used. there are factions warring against each other at the white house. howie: ne new york times, president trump is frustrated with mr. curb her. the new york times mr. kushner. a new york times story that curb numbers real estate company got $500 million in loans. no direct connection, no under case he got below end rates. ed: jared kushner rarely speaks. i think what s been going on. there was a leak that came out of nowhere. donald trump on drudge is running for reelection and brad
parscale is going to be the campaign manager. my understanding from people inside trump world, this was clearly leaked by jared kushner. kushner is looking for his way out. six months or a year from now. but they were locking that down, parscale is doing that. and that gives jared a way out. howie: all presidents are running for reelection. capri: i think there has been an intrigue surrounding this power couple and i think there are people inside and outside the white house who don t know what to make of this. howie: they never liked the fact that two members of the
president s family where high-level advisors. capri: they almost want them to fail. ed: the media has been out to get jared and ivanka. howie: let me get to this last point, the president himself stirring the point on twitter. asking the attorney general to investigate potential fisa abuse. why not use justice department hours? disgraceful. i say that s an important story because it goes to the independence of the attorney general. molly: i think it s also a media tweet. by putting it into this tweet
and attacking sessions, which is abnormal for most of presidents, completely non-abnormal for this president. you are forcing people to explain the context, this issue of fisa abuse. the media should be running hard on this story, and they are not. howie: sessions didn t push back. he put out a statement saying he conducted himself with honor and integrity. then you have the leaks that the president is furious with sessions. ed: there was a report that the president said he would replace sessions now but for the fact it would take a year to replace him. it s one thing after another with the media pile-on. when sessions is out there and you have people from the obama
days saying independence from the justice department is so important. they apparently slept through the obama administration. molly: the media have a conflict of interest moving this story. it s a felony to leak hassified information. the media themselves are the men fisheries. howie: imagine how the press would play it if sessions conducted the investigation himself rather than giving it to an i.g. a reminder to our california viewers. i ll be speaking tomorrow at the reagan library at 6:00 p.m. signing copies of my book. when we come back.
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bullied people into making concessions on gun control. president trump: you know i believe, you don t know until you test it. but i believe i would run in even if i didn t have a weapon. i think most of of the people in this room would have done this, too. the most of object joke toughly cowardly man who ever occupied the presidency something not even people who were shot at in combat would have said. howie: it ends up in my view of overshadowing background checks. mollie: it s a dynamic of when the president says something stupid, the media overreacts. there was a story about how he interest wrupted an armed
robbery. howie: a hypothetical comment. mollie: in real life he interrupt an armed robbery. it s so bad that the media has been so involved in pushing gun control. everything we learn about the parkland shooting is a failure of government. the media pushing a disarm narrative is dishonest. capri: that s what happens every time. er time there is a school shooting. i say that as someone who is endorsed by the nra and had a school shooting in my district. howie: when the president said
he was criticizing the deputy sheriffs who did not go in. he said it in front of the cameras and there was an avalanche. i m struck by the fact you said disarm yourself narrative. the president seemed to be trying to find common ground. but there is less debate about that and less credit to the president for at least appearing to take on this powerful group that backed him. capri: here is what i say coming from the democrat perspective. president trump what he said publicly, i think has given people hope that there is finally going to be some kind of activity surrounding this issue because there hasn t been any coming out of congress. and the white house can t do it alone. they have to do it with
congressional howie: the president was talking about dealing with the mentally ill. he said take the guns first. mollie: mike pence is talking about gun violence restraining orders. if you are worried about someone committing violence with a gun, you can get a restraining order. then trump talked and said let s get rid of due process. that s a horrific thing to hear from a president. that s what supports the narrative that he s a tyrant. yet the media who is so quick to speak out. they didn t even notice these violations of the second amendment or constitutional protections. capri: they latched on to the
fact that he said one thing in a public meeting. howie: the president said i met with the nra at another time. the nra makes it look like he s back them up on other things. ed: we all scream for more access to presidents. i did it when i was running a white house correspondents association. he s opening up these negotiations. but it s transparent and open and we are seeing the sausage being made. howie: instead of having to rely on leaks. howie: it makes for good television and we ll see if it makes good policy. the flap over the nbc question to ivanka about the women accusing her father. it s all pop-culture trivia, but it gets pretty intense.
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howie: a hacker or hackers targeted the miami herald creating a bogus fake news story that a middle school faced an attack spreading fear. alex, some hack were created two fake tweets under your name, totally bogus. what do those tweets say? the first tweet showed a real tweet i sent but they changed the fluent center saying changed the photo in the center, and they asked did you see the shooter, was he white? howie: how realistic did these
tweets look? they looked real. they were either photo shopped, and had the blue rare tie on it. it set up an explosion online. people thought it was race baiting and thought it was coming at the story with an agenda. the tweet about the shooter s race took off more than the tweet asking for photos of dead bodies. howie: how do you fight back? a lot of people never find out the tweets are bogus. i was trying to get the stories of these victims and survivors out.
every time i opened twitter it was an avalanche of people screaming at me. howie: in the middle of this heartbreaking tragedy. jack dorsey, the founder of twitter said he didn t have a fix for the problem but he might run solutions by you. what was your reaction to that conversation. i am interested in the solutions they bring forward. but i respect there is not a scalable solution and i understand twitter doesn t want to censor viewpoint. howie: it s good that founder of the company called you, but they have to find a way to fix this. alex harris, thank you for joining us.
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message to ivanka trump. you are a presidential advisor, that question is totally fair game. it s not just that she has taken and job with a formal title. she has taken on the issue of me too rrp and women s rights. it was a rude question and you know he would never have asked anybody else that question and the only reason he asked her is because she is the daughter of donald trump. howie: cathy areu and kristin tate. kristin, let s start with nbc. was there something out of line with an nbc correspondent asking ivanka trump to weigh in on the women who accused the president of having affairs or sexual harassment. kristin: this is why so many americans hate the media it was
an attempt to embarrass ivanka trump. ivanka made herself a top dwoft official and she cannot exempt herself from tough questions about the president just because the president is her father. i think what s making conservatives angry about this is we rarely see the left being asked questions like this. they were untouchable subjects with hillary clinton. howie: she did answer the question, but kristin says it was and obnoxious question but not an unfair one. cathy: the made what does have the right to ask the big questions. the sad part is we aren t
hearing answers from ivanka like we would like to anymore. but i m glad the media is still asking the big questions. the clintons did have lots of questions asked. chelsea clinton was asked about her father s behavior in 2016. so they are not ruling out ivanka trump or the trumps in any way. the media is doing what it does best, asking the questions. howie: whether ivanka answered the question or didn t answer the question it was meant to make news. but was it asked because she was the president s daughter? if you had the same situation at the olympics and it had been kellyanne conway would nbc ask that question. or was it because she was the president s daughter? kristin: probably a combination
of both. we all know the media despises the trump administration. 95% of media coverage of trump during the first year of his administration was negative. ivanka is an independent strong woman who caused her own path in a business surrounded by strong men. but because she is the daughter of the most of hated man in modern political history, she is subject to vicious attacks. howie: ivanka trump in the past generally got good press for her career in new york. i wonder what you think underlying this is a kind of a resentment. we talked about jared kushner, too. that they shouldn t be there. they shouldn t have these jobs. but even if you believe that as
a journalist, aren t they entitled to fair coverage. cathy: they are getting fair coverage. if it was anyone else, these people probably would have been kicked out of the white house already. howie: why would ivanka trump have been kirked out of the white house. cathy: they are such a distraction. kristin: you can t get kicked out for being a distraction. cathy: she was selling her dresses on qvc. no one has on that in the history of our politics. here is my father, he s running for president, buy my dress. howie: i understand questions about jared kushner because he s entangled in the russian investigation. ivanka trump becoming a distraction? i think we are seeing here, i
wonder kristin, whether you think there is just sort of an an misananimus following this c. do you think this is driven by press negativity? kristin: yes. the media is probably overblowing the amount of chaos in the white house. trump has a bold, brash personality, he tells it like it is, and that probably does cause conflict in the white house be especially those who are used to the swamp. the heritage foundation found trump accomplished 63% of his agenda goals in the first year.
howie: cathy, do you think the chaos is overdram tightsed? over dram dram dramatized. cathy: the media has to report on it. they are telling the facts. howie: great to see you both, cathy and kristin. the press says the white house is being damaged by this bad press. does alec baldwin really want to stop playing the president?
what is your take? dave: it s unfair for people to be doing that off the record and it s detrimental to our country. it s not factual. you look at what the president is doing and how this country is moving forward on the economy and peace through strength. howie: you are saying the white house is smoothly functioning right now? dave: everybody can have their pun on how this white house should run. washington, d.c. has been broken for a long time. you have a non-politician get elected. somebody who is not part of the establishment. and he s a change agent. that s what got him elected. and he s doing things differently. that disrupts the status quo in washington and makes people uncomfortable. he s got his make america great
again agenda, he made promises and he s keeping them. howie: scaramucci rrp said the following. fear and intimidation does not work in a civilian environment. it s messed up. it will be up to the president to figure out if he wants to fix it. howie: fear and intimidation. dave: i think anthony has his opinion. and i do get concerned about the more the of the morale of the staff. but this president through this leadership, the economy is now starting to soar. his actions keep that place running because they know, the people inside that building know they are part of what s making america great again.
howie: you worked with hope hicks during the campaign. was her decision to leave spurred by the huge coverage of her house testimony? dave: i m a huge fan of hope hicks. i believe she is one of the nicest, most of thoughtful and incredibly hard working people i have ever had the pleasure of working beside. she had the president s ear and that s been known for years. i m glad she has been that person who has been able to be somebody who is close to this president. howie: she is joining the wave of those who are leaving. dave: there is no easy time for somebody like her to leave. whether it s that day or another day it will still be the same coverage of why and when. she ll stay in touch with this president and be part of his orbit but be on the outside.
howie: there has been a wave of negative stories with jared kushner. do you think the press has tonight for jared and ivanka and would like to see him go back to new york. dave: it s so unfair. it seems to be the sport in this town to kill those who come here to work. jared and ivanka come here to serve all americans in those posts they currently hold. helping the president. jared and ivanka are volunteers. they don t take a salary. they take this beating for nothing. howie: the wall street journal saying mr. kushner and ivanka have to decide if they would serve themselves and the president better by walking away from their forker white house role. dave: jared is under attack. would it be better for him to
leave? i personally am one who would tell jared if he was listening to me to say, i wouldn t walk away from this. i would say to the president, i serve at your pleasure and i will be here as long as you want me. howie: do you think the press is giving the president enough credit and any credit for at least in some measures challenging the nra? dave: he challenges conventional wisdom. that s what he has always done. howie: why do you think the press has not given his him due in tackling this emotional and controversial issue? the democrats even though they say they want a solution. they only want their solution which is to grab the guns. it s similar to the immigration debate. i believe the press is on the democrats side. i believe the mainstream media
does hold out on those issues towards the democrats side of it. the immigration issue, the president tried to make concerted effort to try to meet them wasn t the republican orthodoxy, it was something they wanted to get done. they hate this president more than they want to see this country succeed. howie: dave bossie, thanks so much for stopping by. after the break. alec baldwin claims he s fed up mocking donald trump and the president punching back hard. aq, little things can be a big deal. that s why there s otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it s a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, . with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring.
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not even whites. howie: alec baldwin on snl says it s become agony to play donald trump on saturday night live. the president didn t like that. an hour after my next guest report on baldwin s jabs tweeted this. alec baldwin whose dying career was saved by playing me on snl now says it was agony for those who were forced too watch. howie: is baldwin being a bit disingenuous when it has brought him so much fame to mock a president he clearly december
pie he despises.you know,e president s tweets about celebrities because he s trying to make a point. i think this falls in the latter categories. but poll after poll shows the american people don t like this behavior from the president. so you would think he would take that into consideration. but the president s desire to settle scores trumps the polling. howie: i think even people who aren t crazy about the president s tweeting think he has the right to hit back against a guy who hits the
president. i think the american people will give the president some slack on this. he usually does have some semblance of a point as to why he s tweet being that. but on the flip side of that,er time he tweets about one of his enemies he gives them an incredible amount of publicity. this works in alec baldwin s favor because a sneak peek is being aired about his talk show. maybe more people will tune in to watch. howie: the former apprentice celebrity omarosa is taking another shot at the president and his white house. it s all i had what my word. oh, freedom, i feel like i just
got freed off a plantation. howie: she said because i was black nobody would talk to me at the white house. carley: she is getting serious criticism for using something as serious as slavery to her time at the white house. she created a career and identity off knowing the president. now she has created a new identity of being president trump s number one critic. her main goal is to create as many headlines as possible. howie: plantation slavery was way over the line. still to come, a plea for help from twitter which has been rocked by a whole lot of problems. there s little rest for a single dad. and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm.
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howie: fox s executive vice president and executive editor has retired. moody is leaving shortly after his offensive peace on the u.s. olympic committee saying its slogan should be darker, gayer. fox pulled that from their website. twitter has been accused of censorship and political bias. good for dorsey to ask for experts to submit proposals for problems facing twitter. let me know what you think on twitter @howard kurtz.

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trump campaign manager facing off against the russia investigation special counsel robert mueller. you cannot understate just how big this is, no matter which way it goes. on one hand, if, for example, mr. manafort is found guilty, that makes it a real problem for the president of the united states to continue to call this a witch hunt. now, what about this case? we have 18 charges in the indictment, something like three dozen witnesses. the former partner of paul manafort, rick gates, could testify. the trial could last up to three weeks. at the end of the day, though, a big deal for paul manafort himself, who was a huge power broker in washington, d.c. he has another trial scheduled later this year, wolf. and they re accusing him of taking about $60 million from pro-russian politicians in
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on the job. now that seems to have changed, and we got a little hint of that yesterday when we were in the oval office as the president was swearing in the new secretary of veterans affairs. he gave john kelly a shoutout for it being his one year on the job as chief of staff. john kelly smiled and saluted the president in return. but this is quite surprising given that john kelly seemed to be on the chopping block in recent weeks here, wolf. he had been telling aides that he believed that this is a way he could rehabilitate his image in the west wing, something he thinks has been badly changed because of the fallout from that rob porter scandal, the staff secretary who was accused of domestic abuse of his ex-wife. john kelly took the brunt of the fall for that because he was told or we were told by sources he actually had known of the allegations against porter for months before they surfaced, yet allowed him to keep working in the west wing here anyway, wolf. so john kelly seems to be doing a little bit of rehab here, believing he can change his image here in the west wing if
he stays on for a little longer, which he does seem to have agreed to do. the caveat being white house officials do not sign contracts. it is not guaranteed he will be here through 2020, through the re-election campaign. but of course, right now that seems to be what president trump would like. at least for now, key words. a vote of confidence for john kelly. kaitlan collins, thanks very much. let s bring in former department of justice prosecutor joseph morino and our gloria borger. what do you think? it s really surprising since we have known through our reporting that the president s been calling around to people asking for potential replacements. it seems to me, and julie knows more about this than i do, that this is a story the white house wanted out there. maybe it s a way for kelly to rehabilitate himself because there are plenty of stories about how he wasn t really in
charge, that jared and ivanka could walk into the president s office any time they wanted, and he had tried to put a stop to that. obviously the rob porter case was a problem for him. we all watched his face during helsinki. he didn t seem to be smiling a lot. so it seems to me they re putting this story out so that as long as kelly decides to stay, the message is i m in charge here, the president likes me, and if and when i decide to leave, it will be my decision and nobody else s. now, maybe i m being cynical about this. maybe he will stay through 2020. but that seems a little far fetched to me. what do you think? i think gloria is absolutely right. i think the most interesting thing about this story is that we know about it, right, which i think is clearly by design. you know, as kaitlan reported, there have been whispers, rumors for many, many weeks and months now that john kelly was on his way out the door, that he doesn t actually have much of a role anymore when it comes to the president and what s actually going on in this white house. those have certainly picked up
in recent weeks. the on boarding of bill shine in a big communications role. z i do think that there s an aspect to this which is about john kelly wanting to be able to say publicly that i m here until i m not here anymore. i m in charge of what i m in charge of. it s not totally clear. many people i ve talked to in the west wing don t know exactly what that is. but he has been sidelined to a great degree. this may be president trump feeling like he can keep him around and still do everything he wants to do. they really wanted this story out, the white house. the wall street journal broke it. within a nanosecond, every other news organization got confirmation from senior officials at the white house. seems like you ve covered the white house. once that happens, you know they want that story out for whatever reason. let s talk about manafort for a moment. joseph, you ve argued before this federal judge in alexandria, virginia. the rocket docket. they re moving quickly over
there, aren t they? absolutely, wolf. it s not only the rocket docket, but judge ellis is particularly known to have minimal patience for any kind of theatrics. he s a by the book, get to the point kind of judge. he s a prosecutor s judge in the form of he will not tolerate the sort of drama that sometimes defense counsels like to bring to the table. we do our thing when we re on the defense side. so not only is it a fast jurisdiction, but this judge will move things along. i would not be surprised if opening statements are not beginning at 9:00 tomorrow morning. very, very quickly indeed. 16 jurors, 4 alternates. it means a lot what happens in alexandria, virginia. absolutely crucial for the mueller probe. it s not because the trial itself is going to be about the russia probe because it really isn t. but this is key. if mueller s team fails to get a conviction on manafort, the wind will be at the back of those who
are screaming witch hunt, namely the president of the united states. if they get a conviction on manafort, it will be very important to them as they go forward. and doern t forget, we re probay going to hear from somebody like rick gates, manafort s former business partner, who has pled to mueller. so that will be interesting to hear for all of us. we re going to get some kind of insight about how deeply the mueller investigation has really looked into the private business dealings of people in the trump administration. that could scare some people. but very, very key for mueller, they need to win this one. they certainly do. it comes a the a time when the president is now echoing his private attorney rudy giuliani, tweeting all of a sudden, you know what, there was no collusion, but collusion isn t even a crime. right. it s an amazing sort of moving of the goalposts, even for this president, who likes to move the goalposts. he s no longer saying that it s his argument that nobody in his campaign ever had contact with
that s been tested under scenarios like this. it would be a stretch in any case. it doesn t mean it can t work. it certainly has teeth, but i could see that s the next pivot to where the strategy is going. but isn t conspiracy to defraud the united states government a crime as opposed to a technicality, which is effectively what collusion is? it is certainly a crime, absolutely. it s a serious crime. it s punishable with serious consequences. but i could certainly see if your audience isn t a jury in a district court but the american people, then that s the message. it s like, you know, look, it may have been the trump tower meeting may have been an attempt at something, but it didn t bear any fruit, so let s not worry about it. it didn t amount to anything. if this biased prosecutor with his 13 angry democrats on his team bring charges, well, it s a technicality, don t worry about it. so i could see the message going in that direction. there is also this whole question of wittingly or unwittingly. if they have information that the russians were conspireing to defraud the united states government but are somehow able
to argue that those involved, if there were any, in the trump campaign didn t know what they were doing, that s clearly going to be a line of defense they re going to try to use, at least try to argue before an actual jury, if not in the jury of public opinion if this were to go to some congressional procedure. intent is always something the prosecutors look very closely at. guys, thank you very much. don t go too far. we have more to discuss. the president reportedly considering another tax cut, this one just for largely the richest americans. why he bypassed congress to do it. plus, they re among the biggest donors for conservatives, but today the president just went to war, really, with the koch brothers, calling them a total joke. you ll hear why. and just hours from now, americans will be able to buy plans for 3d guns. the president says he s concerned as lawmakers sound the alarm. we have new details and what these guns can do. liberty mutual saved us almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter
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long time ago would be calculated in today s dollars, not on the price that you paid for it in terms of how much tax you would owe on that when you sell it. i know that s wonky, but it works out to a big cut to really the top 0.1% of americans who pay most of our capital gains taxes. that would be a huge bonanza for them. i understand it s something that former president george h.w. bush considered back in 1992 before leaving office. he didn t follow through on it. why? well, his treasury department concluded that it was not within the government s power to do this. subsequent presidents have looked at this and concluded the same. what s happened now is the conservative activists have pointed to some new legal writings from conservatives saying no, actually, the treasury department does have this authority. they re urging the trump administration to reconsider what has been a pretty uniform declaration from presidents on down the line. jim tankersley, thank you very much.
let s discuss this more. gloria and julie are still with us. it would be a big deal for the very, very wealthy if they didn t have to worry about paying all those capital gains taxes. it would be, but not so fast. first of all, i think this would wind up in court immediately. the democrats would jump on it and talk about, you know, this is a tax cut for the wealthy because capital gains taxes are largely paid by high earners. i think it s a test of executive power. i remember i m old enough to remember when the democrats were screaming about barack obama s imperial presidency because of his executive action on dreamers. well, this is beyond that. tax legislation originates in the house of representatives. so i think this would just wind up in court and they d be asking for that. what do you think? it isn t anything new for the administration to be figuring out what they can do with their executive power when it comes to the tax code. we know how hard it is to pass legislation on capitol hill. even the obama administration
did consider using executive action to actually cut down on the use of tax loopholes, these corporate inversions, for instance and some of the tax methods corporations would use to cut down on their tax bills. it s always very controversial. both sides do it. i think the issue with this particular move would be the administrati administration s argument is that president trump is a populist. everything he s doing, it may look like on paper it s for the rich, but it accrues to the advantage of the middle class, folks who need jobs and higher wages. there s no way of making that argument when it comes to this. it s clearly, as my colleagues reported, two-thirds of the benefit of this goes to the top 0.1%. clearly a tax cut for the wealthy. it would be sold and debated in a political realm as such. by the way, the president s supporters, for example, in iowa, farmers, are complaining because they re being hurt. so, you know, politically, as julie was saying, this is not a
win-win for him. it might be a win for his business. it might be a win for him personally. we don t know because we haven t looked at his taxes. but for most of his supporters, i don t think so. the very, very wealthy supporters, it would be a nice little bonanza. let s talk about the koch brothers for a moment. all of a sudden the president is going to war with the koch brothers, who have been among the most ardent supporters of republicans over the years. the president tweeting this morning the koch brothers are total jokes, their network is highly overrated. he says, these are two nice guys with bad ideas. how risky is it to all of a sudden go to war with the koch brothers who have provided so much money to various conservative think tanks and influential organizations? look, they ve never been trump fans. they disagree with him on almost every piece of economic policy, especially tariffs, for example. they made the case that we re going to support candidates,
either democrat or republican, who support us. this is a big rift in the republican party. they were so dependable for republicans. they re not trump fans, period. i think the president just punched back. i hesitate to ever try to guess what is behind some of his tweets, but if he were to calculate this, you re not going to stop the koch brothers from weighing in, in a big way on the republican side. they re going to continue to do that no matter whether the president insults them or not. this is kind of a free shot for him. they re the republican establishment. they re for, you know, free trade. they re not for the tariffs. they think that it s a trade war that he s sparked by engaging in this tit-for-tat on trade. there also have been in the past support of pro-immigration policies, which obviously is very much at odds with what president trump has been saying.
there are these differences, and he won t hesitate to point them out, knowing they ll still be there for the vast majority of republicans in the midterm. and they re also for prison reform, which is something jared kushner has been working on. they ve worked with democrats on prison reform. jeff sessions is not their biggest supporter on that, but jared kushner is. the koch brothers are kind of they re hard to pigeon hole sometimes. trump is a little easier. all the sudden, julie, we re hearing between now and midterms in november, we re going to see the president doing all these politic political rallies out there, going state to state, district to district. tonight he s in florida, in tampa at a huge rally. and pennsylvania later this week. he s clearly chomping at the bit. we heard earlier in the year he was going to try to confine his campaigning to deep red states where there was potentially a vulnerable democrat where he had won big and could really boost the republican base and try to damage the democrat and help republicans keep control of the
senate that way. now it seems like he did this interview with sean hannity on friday on the radio, saying he wants to travel six to seven days a week when it gets to be 60 days out. i doubt we re going to see that extensive of a campaign. clearly the president wants to be out there, wants to be in these rallies, sort of throwing out that red meat for the base. he loves those political rallies. we ll cover them, of course, as we always do. guys, thank you very, very much. despite talks, u.s. spy agencies are saying north korea is working on new missiles. is president trump getting played by kim jong-un? plus, president trump is directly contradicting his own secretary of state. why it shows he s out of sync with top officials in his own administration when it comes to foreign policy. about medicare. there s also a lot to know. the most important thing? medicare doesn t pay for everything. yep.you re on the hook for the rest. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. a plan like this helps pay some of what medicare doesn t.
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josh rogan is a columnist for the washington post. thanks very much for joining us. what do you think? all of a sudden, the nuclear threat was over, everything is great, and now there are indications the north koreans are working on new intercontine intercontinental ballistic missiles. that s what happens when you eat dessert before breakfast. this process of the north korea nuclear deal was really a deal in name only. so secretary of state mike pompeo was still filling in the details. north korea never agreed to dismantle its missiles. that s what brought them to the table. in that sense, of course they re not going to give up that. their development of one that could reach the united states is why arguably trump was negotiating with them in the first place. this is what the north koreans do. this is what negotiating with north korea is like. pompeo knows that, okay. he bought the ticket. now he s got to take the ride all the way to the end. they re not going to give up anything without something in return. what they want next is they want
a declaration of the end of hostilities of the korean war, a path towards a peace treaty and normalization. what the u.s. wants is for north korea to declare its nuclear arsenal. that s the first step that we want. there s an opportunity. mike pompeo is going to singapore for a meeting with the north korean foreign minister. it s expected they re going to have a talk. in advance of that, the white house held a high-level meeting chaired by john bolton on friday to discuss what they re going to do. all right. this is going to be a very long process. patient diplomacy. one step forward, two steps back. it s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. let s talk about iran while i have you guys. yesterday the president at that news conference with the italian prime minister, he was asked about iran, and he very flatly all of a sudden, despite the threats of a few days earlier, said, you know, he s ready for direct talks. i want to play precisely what he said and then i want you to listen to secretary of state mike pompeo because he, quote, clarified what the president said. i believe in meeting. i would certainly meet with iran
if they wanted to meet. i don t know that they re ready yet. they re having a hard time right now. no preconditions, no. they want to meet, i ll meet. any time they want. if the iranians demonstrate a commitment to make fundamental changes in how they treat their own people, reduce their maligned behavior, can agree that it s worthwhile to enter into a nuclear agreement that actually prevents proliferation, then the president said he s prepared to sit down and have the conversation with them. except that s not what the president said. the president said no preconditions at all. secretary pompeo outlined three specific, very tough conditions that the iranians would have to endorse before there could be such a meeting. you know, being secretary of state for donald trump means you re on perpetual cleanup duty when it comes to issues like this. secretary pompeo has a really tough job in that trump has given to all caps tweets in the middle of the night, has given
to things that are at odds with the strategy. perhaps there s more coordination than we realize to those tweets, which i think is often the case, but interestingly, i think that we thought, well, gee, mike pompeo is going to be different than rex tillerson. obviously he s been more successful so far in managing his relationship with the president, but on this iran issue, if you listen to his remarkable testimony last week, it s very similar. he s saying, there is no change in u.s. policy. don t pay attention to exactly what the president of the united states says. i m going to fill in the blanks for you. so my question is, how long is that going to work as a trump management strategy? and then there s the question of the iranians. i think, you know, josh, they re going to be a lot less likely to come to the table right away than the north koreans were. there was a statement from the iranian foreign ministry broadcast on state television in iran saying not so fast, we re not yet ready to meet with president trump. right. trump may think that iran is like north korea.
if we get real belligerent then play nice, they ll come to the table and make a deal. iran is not north korea. you have to ask yourself, why would they come to the table now? what iran is actually doing right now is they re working with our allies to sustain the deal we left to isolate us. and it s working. they have more cards than north korea. they have a different kind of country, a different kind of government than north korea. what pompeo laid out, if iran changes its government, changes all its activities and then yields to all of our demands, then we can talk. well, that s a recipe for policy stagnation and diplomatic i understand intrance yesigenc. we re looking at a standoff that will last a long time. the preconditions secretary pompeo laid out are tough for any iranian regime. president rouhani, is he going to accept a commitment to make fundamental changes in how the iranian regime treats their own people, reduce their maligned behavior, and they have to agree to enter into a nuclear agreement that actually prevents
proliferation. and remember, the state department still regards the iranian regime as the world s leading state sponsor of terrorism. well, that s right. and that s where you see this conflict between trump and pompeo. again, pompeo just gave a very strongly worded speech at the ronald reagan library in california, in which he basically encouraged opponents of the regime to rise up against it. sounds like regime change. well, that s right. number one. number two, you still have a legally binding u.n. resolution that the six major powers in the world agreed to in negotiating with iran. the united states unilaterally walked out of that. no one else has ripped up the deal. it s a much harder thing to negotiate with a country after you ve just unilaterally ripped up a deal with it, which is not the case with north korea. and if the administration is demanding that iran give us a great, fabulous deal, how are they going to defend a deal with north korea that doesn t meet those standards? they ve got two different philosophies, two different ideologies. neither of them really seems to be working.
and what you got is broad confusion, both inside the government, outside the government, around washington, around the world about what the policy actually is. and that cannot be a good thing, either for the united states or its interests. josh, susan, thanks very much. still ahead, president trump is embracing the defense laid out by his lawyer rudy giuliani. why he s now also saying that collusion is not a crime. are they getting out ahead of something? and downloadable death. that s what printable 3d guns are being called. these untraceable weapons could be widely available as early as tomorrow here in the united states. anyone could go out and get them despite any criminal background records or being on a terror watch list. what is the president of the united states saying about it? stand by. s overachiever. behr premium plus, behr through it all with a top-rated paint at a great price. find it exclusively at the home depot.
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working with the nra. then nothing happens. sure as we re here today, nothing is going to happen from this administration. we re going to have to pass legislation because they are just enslaved by the nra. i don t care if a gun is made out of metal, made out of plastic. if it can fire a bullet and take someone s life, then it needs to be regulated. cnn s tom foreman is joining us now with more on what are being called ghost guns. take us through the controversy. you said the two key words. undetectable and untraceable. those two do not always go together when talking about these guns. undetectable, you re talking about something like this. a fully plastic gun, one that s been made out of a machine and basically is sort of milled out in such a way that it cannot be detected by a metal detector. however, what we re also talking about here are guns like this. this is a device made by defense distributed called the ghost
gun, which helps mill some metal parts so you can make a gun that is untraceable. in that case, you re talking about something much more advanced than that single-shot plastic gun we re talking about. you can make an ar-15 or something like that with an amalgam of these parts. the concern with the untraceable gun is, in fact, people are being given the capability to make a gun in their garage or their basement that nobody knows exists until the gun is finished and in their hands. now, in truth, under law, people can do this right now. they ve done it for many years. it s just that this new machinery and 3d printing and this automatic milling of devices makes it a lot more effective and more likely that people could get guns like this are people who maybe should not be able to get guns, who would be forbidden from a legal purchase or would be on basically a list to be watched of people who have problems out there, wolf. what s the national rifle association saying about this? well, they are all in favor
of it from all indications out there. there s a tweet that basically said 3d printed ghost guns, as they call these, which can be made at home and don t have serial numbers symbolize freedom and innovation. that is not the view of all people out there. there are certainly a lot of hobbyists who find this very interesting, but it is a bigger question. as this technology advances and it gets even easier for people to just make a gun, a fully functional, big-league firearm at home with nobody knowing about it, that s where the concern steps in for other folks out there. the technology is not quite there yet in terms of an undetectable gun. but in terms of untraceable guns, yeah, that s moving along very fast. wolf? clearly no background checks necessary. tom foreman, thank you very much. any moment now, by the way, the jury for the former trump campaign chairman paul manafort
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the editor at large chris solisa is joining us. update us on the books. okay. we know donald trump is not an avid reader per se. he skims, he s into visuals, he s not a big book reader. but that hasn t stopped him from offering a lot of opinions on books. you will start the sense on what he likes. the russian hoax, the elicit scheme to clear hillary clinton and frame donald trump. where do you think he came down on that one? hot seller, already number one. let s go to the next one. the case against impeaching trump. you ll notice the lawyer skeptical of the impeachment of donald trump and has been on the air talking about it a lot. i would encourage all people with trump derangement syndrome to read more of a medical recommendation than anywhere there. and to the next one, you ll recognize that guy, wolf. that s scene spicer. sean spicer. this book has been savagely reviewed. people say his facts are wrong
and it s not a good retelling of his time in the white house. there s one critic who really liked it. it s a story told with both heart and knowledge. donald john trump. okay, now, what really happened? this is a conservative radio talk show host. a book which everyone is talking about. last time i checked on amazon, not that many people were talking about that book but whatever. okay, now things turn and you ll see why. fire and fury, if you didn t know this book existed, you haven t been paying attention, you have been living on another planet. why c michael wolf s book says, the fake book of a mentally deranged person. full of lies, misinterpretation and sources that don t exist. a higher loyalty by james comey. where do you think he came down on that one? a third-ranked book that should never have been written. and now, let s go to the next.
the book we re all waiting for, bob woodward, my colleague at the washington post. legend of water gate. he s written lots and lots of books on presidents, eight at last count. fear: trump in the white house. bob has not offered thoughts on the upcoming book but he did offer a thought on bob in 2013. only on twitter, only the obama white house can get away with attacking bob woodward. they weren t really attacking bob woodward. it was sort of a misunderstanding, but that s here nor there. fear, let s see, is it pro? it is donald trump like it, positive or negative review? i m going on the negative review side is my guess, but we ll see. we have another month or so, wolf. back to you. september 11th. we ll all have a chance. chris solizza, good review. more on the breaking news. facebook discovering dozens of new fake accounts ahead of the midterm elections here in the united states which may be linked to the russians. we have new details, standby.

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new allegations tonight. another woman who has come forward against cbs chairman and ceo les moonves. what she told police. and why the d.a. in los angeles says it will not pursue the case. facebook tonight and the new warning. what they say they have now uncovered. americans targeted. the meddling all over again. the parking garage collapse. more than 20 vehicles crushed. they sent rescue dogs in searching for possible victims. and alan alda going public with his private battle. good evening. and it s great to have you with us here on a very busy tuesday night. and we begin tonight with the images coming in right now. we have learned shortly before we came on tonight of a plane crash just south of the border. nearly 100 passengers onboard, several crew members. that passenger jet crashing just after takeoff. the flight from durango to mexico city. it s believed the pilots were trying to abort the takeoff, that there was some bad weather. but when they tried to halt the
there were 97 passengers and four crew members onboard. at the crash site, an ominous image. the tail of the plane and trail of smoke. is. linsey davis monitoring developments as we re on the air tonight. as i mentioned, the governor tweeting just moments ago that everyone survived this, but we do believe these pilots saw the bad weather and they were trying to abort takeoff in just those final moments. reporter: yes, david. the transportation secretary just confirmed recently it crashed just after takeoff. the governor saying this was a weather issue and the pilots could not abort takeoff. 85 people are believed to have sustained injuries, but the good news, david, that everyone survived. yeah, that is the good news. all right, linsey davis leading us off tonight. linsey, thank you. e veping headlie ul nafort trial has now begun. he stands accused of dozens of financial crimes. prosecutors in court saying his fortune was built on a foundation of lies. their chief witness, manafort s former partner, rick gates, who
is set to testify against him. manafort s team saying in court that gates is willing to say anything to save himself. and tonight, this trial is also the first test of special counsel robert mueller and his team. the president has repeatedly called mueller s work a witch hunt. abc s kyra phillips is at the courthouse in alexandria, virginia, tonight. reporter: he was right at the center of the action yeah, i think this looks good. reporter: running the trump campaign for three crucial months, guiding the candidate into the convention. and paul manafort has done an amazing job. he s here some place. where s paul? paul manafort. reporter: but today, president trump s former campaign chairman going from his jail cell to day one of his criminal trial. prosecutors say paul manafort believed he was above the law, that he lied to the irs and knowingly filed false tax returns, failing to report tens of millions of dollars he made working for a ukrainian political party with deep ties to russia.
he is accused of hiding the money in offshore bank accounts, opening more than 30 accounts in three countries and using the cash to bankroll his lavish lifestyle, luxury real estate, fancy suits, antique rugs. special counsel robert mueller s star witness, manafort s former business partner, rick gates, who also served as the president s deputy campaign manager through the election. gates pleading guilty to conspiracy and making false statements in exchange for his testimony. manafort s lawyer today charging gates is willing to say anything to save himself. because he embezzled millions of dollars. any reaction, mr. manafort? reporter: manafort allegedly committed his crimes well before he joined the trump campaign. the case doesn t involve any allegations of colluding with russia to meddle in the election. but the case seems to have shaken president trump,
especially after fbi agents raided manafort s home just before dawn last summer. i thought that was a very that s pretty tough stuff. to wake him up, perhaps his family was there, i think that s pretty tough stuff. reporter: the president now distancing himself from the man who once ran his campaign. you know, paul manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. reporter: now, trump s own legal team is shifting strategy, moving from this simple declaration there was no collusion. at all. everybody knows it. reporter: to this from the president s lawyer. i ve been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. it s not. collusion is not a crime. reporter: today, the president himself tweeting, collusion is not a crime. but that doesn t matter because there was no collusion. all right, so, let s get to kyra phillips, she s live outside the courthouse in alexandria, virginia, tonight. and kyra, paul manafort resisting any efforts by the mueller team to get him to flip and help with their investigation, so, now by going to trial, and this is just the first trial that he faces, if
convicted, he could spend the rest of his life behind bars? reporter: that s absolutely right, david. no question, the stakes are high for paul manafort. but you know, they re sky high for robert mueller, as well. this is the first case the special counsel has brought to trial and if manafort is convicted, it would offer a powerful response and take away some of president trump s ability to actually call this an aimless witch hunt. david? kyra phillips at the courthouse for us tonight. kyra, thank you. we re going to turn now to the breaking developments in the west at this hour. those deadly wildfires, and tonight, real concern that two major fires could now combine as one. at least eight major wildfires now burning across california. firefighters battling those two fires very close together. tonight, the carr fire, a staggering number from that wildfire. more than 1,200 homes and buildings have burned to the ground, and that number is growing. abc s kayna whitworth from california. reporter: tonight, hot, dry conditions stretching firefighters across the state to
holding the president personally responsible. the blood s going to be on his hands. plastic, downloadable guns stops at donald trump s desk. reporter: and today, an about-face from the president himself, contradicting his own white house with this tweet i am looking into 3d plastic guns being sold to the public. already spoke to nra. doesn t seem to make much sense! but the last time the president went head-to-head with the nra, in the wake of the parkland massacre, he caved on sweeping gun control changes. tonight, the question will this time be any different? cecilia vega with us from the white house tonight. and cecilia, detailed instructions for making those guns, as i mentioned, were set to go online at midnight tonight, but now that judge has stepped? reporter: this is a federal judge in seattle we re talking about, who just put a halt to these blueprints going up online. so, it seems the plan, as you said, david, is on hold for now. but let me make it clear, that is not because anything president trump has done. asked to clarify his tweet on
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true identities than the russian-based internet research agency i.r.a. did in the runup to the 2016 u.s. presidential election. security is an arm s race and it s never done. reporter: while facebook says it s not yet clear who created the pages, there are similarities to previously banned i.r.a. accounts. but so far, no links to russian ip addresses. the pages were followed by more than 290,000 accounts and ran 150 ads. facebook s announcement highlighting the threat of potential meddling in the midterm elections. democratic senator claire mccaskill, in a fight to hold onto her seat, recently announcing russians unsuccessfully tried to hack her office. david, facebook says it s investing heavily in security, but acknowledges these adversaries are determined, well-funded and are constantly changing tactics. david? rebecca, thank you. and today, in new york city, president trump s homeland security chief kirstjen nielsen left no doubt who meddled in the 2016 elections. not long after the president
stood beside vladimir putin, saying he offered a powerful denial. let me be clear. our intelligence community has it right. it was the russians. we know that. they know that. it was directed from the highest levels. and we cannot and will not allow that to happen again. vice president mike pence also saying today it is, quote, unambiguous, the conclusion of the u.s. intelligence community that russia did meddle in 2016. there is new evidence tonight that north korea s nuclear threat may not be over, despite president trump s claim after the summit that there was no threat. recent satellite images and u.s. intelligence now showing tonight it appears they are building one, possibly two new intercontinental ballistic missiles and are still producing fuel for nuclear bombs. secretary of state mike pompeo has stressed that denuclearization will take time. there is still much more ahead on world news tonight this tuesday. the fraternity hazing case making national headlines. the first frat member now sentenced, but receiving no jail time. and tonight, you ll hear from
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Rachel Maddow takes a look at the day s top political news stories.
so that was the answer. that s the tension on the intelligence. then there is a separate tension about how do you investigate, indict and punish the people identified by that very intelligence for attacking american democracy? we all know, there is a busy special counsel that trump has denigrated and at sometimes lied about. so a question on that was posed to the fbi director who of course, let s not forget has this job because his predecessor was fired because of the same russia probe and that firing is now part of the obstruction inquiry. i have a question for director wray. thank you. the special counsel robert mueller has indicted more than 20 russian officials based on work by the fbi for med ding in the 2016 election. the president has tweeted that that investigation by the special counsel is a hoax and should be shut down. i know you ve said you don t believe it is a hoax. why would the american people
believe what you re saying about the fbi when the president says that the investigation by the special counsel is a hoax and when the press secretary yesterday said that there was a lot of corruption within the fbi? do you have any response to those things coming from the white house? i can assure the american people that the men and women of the fbi starting from the director all the way on down are going to follow our oaths and do our jobs. a strong question. the answer is up in the air. that is a statement that could mean something. that oath that he referenced is to the constitution. not the president. in our history, there are certainly officials who took their oaths to mean they had to stand up to criminal conduct when discovered by their peers or superiors. but let s be clear. director wray s statement could mean nothing because it s leaning on a cliche rather than stating unequivocally today the fbi director still has mueller s back and isn t going to change his actions or his words just because the president down the hall keeps running down the probe.
there s one more insight we can probably glean from today s events and it came from intel chief dan coats, the one who chose to tel everyone before that trump was hiding the putin meeting s contents from him which is something he doesn t have to put on black in front of the nation. but he did it again today. putting on the record this was not arab of timing or delay or sitting down with his boss. it s been three weeks and your nation s top intelligence officials still doesn t know what happened in helsinki. in the run-up to the helsinki summit, the u.s. officials, the nato ambassadors to russia said the president would raise the issue of ma line activity with president putin. he didn t discuss it, at least at the press conference. you re saying the president has directed you to make the issue of election meddling a priority. how do you explain the disconnect between what you are saying, his advisers, and what the president has said about this issue? i m not in a position to either understand fully or talk
mixture of truth and fiction of cynicism and ernestness. the fiction and the cynicism was john bolton trying to suggest from the moment donald trump took office, he has had a strong and forceful policy to counter foreign election intervention and russian meddling. that s just false. we ve reported that it s false. anyone who has a twitter feed knows that s not true. what he s done is undermine at every turn the conclusion of the intelligence community that russia interfered. even tonight hours after this event, donald trump gave a speech in wilkes-barre and again referred to the russia how much. he said his relationship with putin could be good but hindered by the russian hoax. that part of it was ridiculous. but chris wray, paul nakasone, and dan coats, i believe do have an interest in trying to do something and did want to communicate to the american people that the government does
recognize this is a problem. they re trying on flag that the russians still throughout intervening and there are some things that they are doing about it. the most interesting thing that i heard was paul na casone who commands cyber command, the nation s cyber war force said that he was prepared to go after foreign medlers in our election and he seemed to suggest that he had presidential authorization to do that. i think it is up in the air. we need to pin it down of he can t use the vast cyber arsenal at his disposal unless donald trump allows him to do that. but that was the biggest news. that cape out of what many of those people said. other things they said we already knew. yes, the russians continue to meddle in our politics. yes, dhs is reaching out to the states to try to shore up cyber security. yes, the fbi has a foreign task force and no, there is no presidential leadership. the president wasn t there. there s no central unifying force that knits this together. let s dig into that point you raised. it is common to say this is better than nothing.
you hear that a lot in washington where a lot of times nothing is what s going on. it is a low bar for the administration. so while better than nothing, as you say, without the president there, doesn t it still look like the cyber security plan is sort of a headless body where these various agency folks do what they can but we all know and see that the head of the government is undercutting them before and after? yes. and the biggest evidence of that is that they re having this news conference 100 days before the mid-terms. it s about a year and a half too late because none of this behavior by the russians stopped at all after the 2016 election, particularly the intervention on facebook and twitter, the attempt to divide americans by creating false personas and stirring up trouble. that s been going on. and dan coats gave a speech where he said the system is blinking red. so yes. you re right. we can shore up our cyber defenses and we can do a lot of different things to try to defend. but the russian intelligence hackers are always going to get
in in some fashion. the way that you stop them is to deter them. to make them pay a price. and the only person who can do that is donald trump. and just briefly, to that final point. you ve reported on this. one of the issues with the obama administration and the perils that are posed even if someone tries to take it seriously was obama s approach, the washington post noted seemed to be don t make things worse. obama s advisers concern any pre election response could provoke an escalation from putin. putting aside the trump piece of this, what is the problem for the pus as you put it, lives in a glass house when it comes to escalating a cyber global war? that was a reasonable concern by barack obama. we are the most vulnerable of any society. we are the most internet connected. and we are extremely vulnerable to russian cyber attack. and they are in our networks, including the critical infrastructure. most intelligence officials and experts that i talked to feel
like, what else can we do? there has to be a response to this. we are wide open to an attack on our democracy. and the russians have not been deterred in the least and there has to be something we can do to deter them. nbc s ken dilanian, all over the story. thank you so much. as we turn to our next guest, i want to look at march of next year. just after the 2016 election. the senate intel committee was looking at these issues and they heard testimony from a former fbi special agent. clint watts. and he said something that s echoed in people s heads ever since. this is not new for the russians. they ve done this for a long time across europe. but he was much more engaging this time in our election. why now? mr. watts? i think this answer is very simple and is what no one is really saying in this room which is part of the room active measures have worked in this u.s. election is because the commander in chief has used russian active measures at times
against his opponents. on 11 october, president trump stood on a stage and cited what appeared to be a fake news story from sputnik news that disappeared from the internet. he denies the intel from the united states about russia. he claimed that the election could be rigged. that was the number one theme pushed by rt sputnik news all the way up till the election. as we look at another election, i want to bring in clint watts, he ses an author of messing with the enemy. i imagine that as a person involved in law enforcement, you don t get great personal pleasure, ego from being early and right about that is such a massive problem. but the way you put it there in a serious setting to congress that early on was was far ahead from where people were comfortable stating it the problem that you said these russian measures were put in place basically more effectively
because of the way donald trump behaved. how does that context apply? it is a happy, sad moment. that is a briefing that should have happened in february 2017. president trump was briefed about this before the inauguration, we know now. and yet there was no response. and the person that should have been leading that press conference today is the commander in chief of this country. it is his job to defend all americans against enemies, foreign and domestic. and particularly when they come together. he should be trying to ensure the integrity of our electoral process or democratic institutions. so what was fascinating today was essentially, the leaders of these institutions, many of whom have been battered essentially by their boss are now moving around them to serve the american people. i thought director wray s comments were right on target. he said i am in charge of our organization and this is what we re going to do.
the same with the nsa director. he said i m willing to strike back against russia and i might do it. it is almost independent. it is shocking that we re talking about this. this should be led by a task force, headed by the commander in chief. it should come from the national security staff and it should be an integrated strategy. what if we launch that offense stib cyber attack but then we receive a counter attack in cyber space that turns off the lights in one of our cities? this requires coordination. so while i m happy to see these advances being made and i m sure this is just a reaction to that hel cink can i summit and the fear that many americans have legitimately about the interference in our election, i still worry that we really don t know what the right happened and the left hand are doing and who is in charge of this. and this is now. this is not litigating 2016. helsinki is now. whatever was secretly discussed is operative now. the mid-term meddling is now. do you have a view, given the great expertise, beyond what most of us have access to, what
dan coats is doing there and repeatedly saying he s out of the loop? yeah. i think he is trying to make sure that he is honest with the congress which is oversight over him, and with the public. i find value in that. while i m disappointed what his answer is what it is, at least he is telling the truth saying this is my position, this is what my job is and this is what i know. what makes me nervous, as we saw on that stage in aspen, he didn t even know that the white house would extend an invitation to vladimir putin to come to the united states. this is stunning for the head of our intelligence to be that out of the loop. so while i like how a lot of these leaders, these institutions are moving around the president, i m alarmed where our country is. a year and a half later, we re just now saying we ll do something about the attack two years ago. you make such an important point. it s something rachel has obviously been all over in her reporting which is if the head of intel doesn t know the
decisions being made to give putin that benefit, that honor, then obviously they re not making a pretense of having consulted him which means and that is decision is being based on whatever. some other thing and given the investigation questions about whether there s anything nefarious there. clint watts, we really appreciate your time tonight. thanks, ari. we have a lot more coming including day three of paul manafort s trial. stay with us. hundred roads named park in the u.s. it s america s most popular street name. but allstate agents know that s where the similarity stops. if you re on park street in reno, nevada, the high winds of the washoe zephyr could damage your siding. and that s very different than living on park ave in sheboygan, wisconsin, where ice dams could cause water damage. but no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours. now that you know the truth, are you in good hands?
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gates will take the stand we learned today. they have every intention of doing it. to be clear, the testimony could reverberate well beyond this trial. for all the talk of people flipping and the intrigue about what mike anybody or george papadopoulos may have told mueller, when gates speaks under oath in public in this trial, it will it be the first time we actually hear a trump campaign aide legally turn on another trump campaign aide. and the other development might be a little more melodramatic. it is one that a lot of people are talking about. we return, of course, to the ostrich jacket. mueller s team file agovernight motion challenging the judge s decision to keep from the jury photos of manafort s sartorial tastes the fancy suits and $15,000 ostrich jacket. prosecution arguing evidence that through wire transfers, that he controlled to u.s.
vendors is directly relevant to the elements of the defenses. that is very lawyerly. judge ellis responded i m well aware the evidence is relevant and that s why i permitted the government to introduce the amounts of money that he spent. the relevance being, okay, do the receipts. the judge goes on to say, what i have not permitted is to gild the lily. if he spent a lot of money on fancy clothes or watches, or cars i guess you would call them designer clothes, they re not men s wearhouse clothes but it wouldn t matter if he had spent money on men s wearhouse clothes. you want to the introduce pictures of these suits, that meaning the picture aspect itself the judge argues isn t relevant at this point and kind of besmirches the defendant and engenders some resentment against rich people generally. that s how the lawyers get into the little details because they have a reason, mueller s team
toe want to have the jury see with their own eyes the fancy spending. some of this sounds like an episode of the rich and famous. you almost don t need the pictures. they re talking about a $10,000 system put in the house with red and white flowers shaped like an m off the driveway and a manmade pond in all of the hamptons that was complete with a water fall feature. then the receipts are from the bookkeeper we mentioned. she dealt with manafort s income expenses and this super rich consultant was living a lie. he was on his way to being broke. he lied to financeable institutions to get loans. he couldn t pay his own family s health bills. the prosecution asked, did there come a time when manafort had trouble paying his bills? and she said yes. here s where it comes together. that was part of what was presented today. that was part of 2016. evidence showing manafort needed money. instead of seeking a new consulting gig or some new financial retainer, his plan was
to take a demand dg full time high stress job as a volunteer. we all know that because he had a written pitch that leaked to trump which offered his campaign services for free. no paid job. the worst news for manafort is that all of this written and testimonial evidence today suggests he was broke and that led him to commit alleged financial crimes. the wider question no matter what happens in this trial is whether paul paul manafort s plan to work for free was itself another financial lie. did he have a plan, executed or not, to use the trump campaign like prosecutors alleged he had used so many others as a witting or unwitting accomplice to new different illegal money schemes. to be fair, that is not what s charged in this trial. but to be fair, this investigation ain t over either. we re now joined by the justice correspondent for politico josh gerstein and msnbc
contributor, and barb barb mcquade, an msnbc analyst. your view of day three. i think that they want to make the case as they said in their trial brief. this isn t just a matter of spending money. it is spending money very lavishly. one of the things they have to prove, when paul manafort signed his income tax returns, he knew that those were false statements. he knew that the amount of income he was declaring was far less than what he had. how do you show that? you show it by showing all of the different things he s spending money on. i m concerned that information is coming in so quickly, so fast, so much that the jury is having a hard time keeping up. when you see the pictures, it does bring that home. and it helps explain the motive for the bank fraud charges which is the cash dries up and this is someone who loves money. so when the cash dries up, he needs and is desperate for cash which explains why he s motivated to engage in that bank
fraud to get the cash he feeds to pay his expenses. josh, your views. well, i am reminded of an old english teacher hop used to say show, don t tell. the problem is that the judge is insisting that the prosecutors only tell and very rarely show. so as a result as barbara is alluding to, jurors are getting almost the equivalent of a ledger of expenses which simply may not carry as much weight as seeing the actual items. the prosecutors say they re not trying to make fun of manafort or besmirch his reputation but to emphasize these are not business expenses. these res actually personal expenses. they could not be any other. these oriental rugs were not going into an office. they were going into his homes. than and they re just the kinds of spending that could not conceivably relate to any legitimate business expense. which goes to something we ve seen in other cases where there s an accountant s defense. people say, hey, my people were doing this. a lot of money flies around.
i didn t really know. whereas if you have enough ostrich jackets and the jurors say i remember the ostrich jacket, wouldn t you remember it, it clears that hurdle to some degree. barbara, could you speak to the mueller s team, the theory of the case from the mueller team that they want to give more than one reason why manafort acted this way. today in the spotlight, the reason was he was desperate, he was broke, and he made these decisions. but they ve also separately made the arguments by suggestions and in writtenfyings that he was greedy, to use a more proverbial word, scummy. why do you think they re using more than one theory of why he would allegedly commit these crimes? i think they need to establish theories for both sets of counts in this case. there s a set of counts that relates to the filing of false income tax returns. for that part the purpose is showing his knowledge of the income. and then there is a series of
charges related to bank fraud. with regard to those charges, they need to show the motive that he was running out of cash. so that s why he was involved with this money. so there are two different motives. two different theories for the two different sets of cases. the legal standard under the rules of evidence is the evidence should be permissible unless it is substantially more prejudicial than it is probative. because it is probative, these the things he himself bought. it is hard to argue that it is substantially more substantial than probative. and josh, what about the big question that we ve teed up tonight and has come up before in reporting in the new york times and your publication, as well, that this was an unusual volunteer arrangement? there is no question about that. and at a particular moment. i think it s because this is case spans a long period of time from 2010 or back to 2005 to 2016 and 2017 right into the heart of the trump campaign and beyond.
in 2010, manafort seemed to be doing okay. he was bringing in a lot of money from this deal with viktor yanukovych. and the oligarchs supporting the party of regents. he spent $60 million in ukraine. even with a lavish lifestyle, you can manage to spend a few years on $60 million but it had begun to dry up in 2015 and 2016 and that s when the desperation set in. and the real question is, was that job at the top of the trump campaign a product of this desperation? was he going to go through the revolving door and become another washington lobbyist once again like everybody else? or was there something more nefarious at work? barbara mcquaid and josh, thanks to both of you four expertise coming straight out of the courtroom. and we will be right back. a hotel can make or break a trip. and at expedia, we don t think you should be rushed into booking one. that s why we created expedia s add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave.
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what kind of damage could have been done over all that time? and what happens next? this is a big one. michael mcfaul, former ambassador tore russia under the obama administration joins me. i guess we should start with, when did you first learn about this and based on your knowledge of this embassy, where does this person fit? well, i only learned about it when press reporters started poking around about it. i did not know about it when i was ambassador. it sounds like this woman worked for me when i was there. i don t remember her or recall her. obviously, this is not good news. we don t want to have people working for the fsb inside the embassy. interacting with people, having access to information. there is good news. i think it s highly unlikely she had access to classified information. that are just does happen in the embassy for russians for foreign nashs working there. but because she worked for the
secret service as you just alluded to, she probably would have access to the schedules of people like the vice president and president. that obviously is not good. walk us through where this fits on the spectrum of expected, possible, low risk, impossible. you operated in an environment where rachel and others have reported on before where there were all kinds of explicit measures taken against you and your team there. so you obviously, this is not like working in the canadian embassy. i should say the u.s. embassy to canada to be precise. did it cross your mind that this was part of the risk you faced from your own staff or russians hired by secret service and the embassy? absolutely. of course. with good reason. just one anecdote and i need to be careful what i talk about and what i don t. when i would go to meet with
members of civil society, i would show up and would be all kinds of protesters there. sometimes as many as 50 protesters outside, blocking the doorway for how i could get in there. how did they know my schedule? these were not announced meetings. so one way might be through cyber activity. another might be from people like the individual that were working with us and somehow got access to the calendar. remember, she didn t work close to me. right? this woman in the secret service. but they got to know other russians that works in the building. they got to know my bodyguards who are russians, different staff members and that s the other way that information transfer could happen. right. let me ask you, as well about the most messed up part of this from what i can tell and this is probably not something, if you say you re just learning about it, it doesn t vol your leadership. the report is that the secret service quietly terminated this person and there is no the repo
service quietly terminated this person and there is no leadersh. the report is that the secret service quietly terminated this person and there is no indication of any other measures of accountability. this comes at a time when they re talking about indictments of russians and hoping to potentially get them. maria butina is in custody. others could be caught by an interpol warrant if they re caught and face justice. mueller didn t indict them as just an exercise. could you shed any light on at least in this report that it sounds like this person was quietly fired? well, i would say two things. three things. one, i don t know the full facts. we ll have to learn that. number two, we obviously could not have arrested her in her territory. that s what s different about butina versus this vid. but three, there should have been a thorough investigation. in fact, oftentimes we would run counter intelligence on someone like that to follow them to try to understand what they re doing to try to get greater fidelity
as to how the fsb works. and remember, it dedicated lots and lots of resources. i m being vague on purpose following every single member of the u.s. embassy and first and foremost me and they re really good at it. just to dismiss somebody without trying to investigate and figure out what they were doing if that holds to be true, then that i think was probably a mistake. and final question then. certainly can t arrest them on sovereign territory out of the blue. but the fact that this was reportedly a mole inside the secret service and you would want to get that informs, they were in u.s. employ. so what about sending them on a mission abroad to the united states and then holding them there is this? you watch a lot of spy shows, don t you? in all seriousness. spy shows? just watch the news, man. that s a very interesting idea. should that have been done before?
that s a great observation. because obviously, this was an employee. if everything that has been reported is true, i want to keep saying that. i don t know the actual facts. we should have taken more precautions. and obviously this person was not fulfilling their contract as has been reported. to the united states government and that has implications and again, we just want to know more than just kind of sweeping this under the rug and moving on. we want to take advantage when we learn this. obvious, we did have some good intelligence that we know allegedly that she was reporting to senior fsv officials. that s the mark of good intelligence. but we should have taken more appropriate measures to learn more about what happened including i m mot a lawyer and i don t pretend to be one, but including, of course, were there criminal activity here that should have been investigated. ambassador, it s an intriguing story as you mentioned in your nuance.
it s a brand-new one from the guardian . we may yet learn a lot more. we appreciate the expertise you have having worked inside the building where these activities allegedly occurred. thanks for spending some time with us tonight. thanks for having me. appreciate it. up next, there is a friendly game you might want to play of name that town. we ll be right back.
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outlines has wide corroboration is not any good faith attempt to rec within this history but rather a choreographed attack by the anonymous left. i d like to think the reason you see the left plst coming after me and lies being told is because we re being effective. the guy who is making the most noises has a criminal background. it seems to me it was sequenced and choreographed by the left and everything they have done. the timing is suspect when you think about how this whole story came together. jim jordan has taken this on partly by arguing that he s actually a victim of people who are only doing this for politics. amid these allegations jordan is running for speaker. so he would be the most powerful person in congress, as well as second in line to the presidency after the vice president. congressman jordan has been pressuring victims of the abuse to recant on aspects of their allegations. two etch wrestlers at thing nbc the day after they made these
allegations against the congressman at least of turning a blind eye to dealing with with the abuse by the doctor that jordan got another retired coach to reach out and pressure them into issuing statements of support for jordan. one saying i will defend jordan until i have to put my hand on the bible and tell the truth. then he will be on his own. the next wrestler saying when he refused, jordan s allies began attacking his credibility. another saying what a world we re living in when a member of congress is digging up dirt on sex abuse vips like us. the retired coach did not return calls seeking comment to explain all this on the record. jordan s people say that he has many supporters and , of course, we encourage folks to speak the truth. whether the new reports will change anything about jordan s political race here in the house is open. the president and republican leaders have not weighed in in any great detail. this vein of reporting is a campaign issue in the ohio special election. that s the race next week. there is a new ad there online
asking whether the republican candidate in that race stands with the victims or stands with jim jordan while he was a coach and the approach he took. i turn to jonathan allen who is out in the field looking at all of these races. what is important here to you about the way jordan is handling this? because on the one hand, he stands not accused of the original misconduct and yet the way he s responded as you have reported has raised new questions with the very affected community including self-identified people who say they were victims. right, ari. you not only have these allegations that jordan was aware of and turned a blind eye but now allegations of a cover up. that quote you read before is devastating. i m going to be with jimmy until i have to put my hand on a bible and swear under oath at which point i m casting him aside. this is really tough stuff. i think the problem for republicans right now is there is a little bit of that washington bubble.
they seemeded to have forgotten what happened to them in the 2006 midterms when there was a cover-up of the mark foley page scandal. a lot of them obviously weren t in congress then but you would think they were politically aware. they seem to be unaware of the larger moment in american history where you have got all these sexual abuse revelations, starting back in the penn state case and the joe paterno team. more recently michigan state. this seems like an untenable thing for jordan particularly as a speaker candidate, one of the democratic groups going after one of his fellow ohioans they re asking if he will support jordan for speaker. oh, my god, what would happen nancy pelosi was the speaker. you can imagine a series of democratic ads on what if jim jordan was the speaker of the house do you think this cuts across party lines out there? absolutely.
this is one of those issues that does cut through because unfortunately sexual abuse has, you know, hurt so many people in our country. and even people who aren t victims of it certainly can understand. this isn t a partisan or political issue. it is a character issue. right. it goes to not only what happened, how did it look in the moment from what someone saw, but given what has been called out in the reckoning that s been demanded, how do you deal with it now. that seems to be where he s under extra scrutiny. thank you for making time for us tonight. thank you. we will be right back.
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client, the president, sit down with the special counsel. you will recall the latest proposal from mueller willing to limit the number of questions about obstruction of justice. they made clear they wanted to ask the questions in person. they want to limit the questions in person to events that happened before he was inaugurated as the president. that doesn t seem something that mueller is willing to budge on either. the president is at odds with his legal team. he believes if he gets face-to-face with robert mueller he can prove his innocence and that that interview can bring all of this to an end. the president s legal team has made quite clear they do not think this is a good idea. they are advising their client against it. one of the president s attorneys put it best today when he said ultimately this final decision will be up to president trump. thank you very much.
at the time and we can evoke privilege. when it comes to the question of collusion during the transition or conspiracy, he wasn t president. so they don t have much of a case there to make. they understand that. so i think what they are trying to do is say we will do one thing and not the other. but it s not up to them. it s up to mueller. and the big gamble here is the lawyers believe that mueller will in the end he doesn t want to drag this out. it s a game of chicken. dare, whatever you want to call it. we don t know what mueller is thinking. this whole obstruction of justice, there are other issues, whether there is financial fraud and collusion. we know obstruction appears to be the main point of contention at this time. jim comey, here is what trump said to lester holt. he has said why he fired comey. here is one of his reasons.
regardless of recommendation i was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. in fact, when i decided to just do it i said to myself this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story, an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. so he has answered the question and said regardless of recommendation and other times he said it is the recommendation of rod rosenstein. saying asking the question of why did you fire comey would be a perjury trap. where does this go? it s not a perjury trap because it s not as if you are only interviewing him in order to hope that he lies. you are interviewing him to try to figure out why did you fire comey. you have some information from the lester holt interview.
you want to get the right result. you would like to ask him what were you thinking when you did that. do they have competency he will tell the truth in the interview with mueller? i don t know whether he will tell the truth or not. if you are the special prosecutor you have to make every effort to get that interview if you think it is important. you could fold up that part of the investigation without interviewing him and say we offered him the opportunity to tell his side of the story. he declined. we interviewed all these other people who they have. and they have the notes of people. they have contemporaneous interviews. the trump people are saying you don t need trump. he doesn t write e-mails. why do you need him when you have other people s recollections? except you want to know his intent. as gloria points out, this could be all about does mueller have the guts to subpoena the
president of the united states? does he? do you think? i certainly think he has the guts to subpoena him. mueller is a combination of practical theorists. they are thinking carefully about what is the main issue to subpoena. it s really about if you have a very bad situation like a rogue president people are like let s issue a subpoena and put his feet to the fire. you have to think what kind of law you end up with. if you get a bad ruling from the supreme court too much deference to the executive we are stuck with that for a long time. jay secolo says trump subpoenaed the other lawyer. here is what he said would happen if mueller actually subpoenaed the president. if you get a subpoena you
file a motion to quash. that is filed with the district court and court of appeals. a subpoena for live testimony has never been tested in court as to a president of the united states. there is a lot of language, articles and precedent against that. so he could do it, mueller. he could fail. it would take a lot of time and that really hurts mueller if he loses. i think it does because as long as the subpoena battle is open he will not want to say i closed the investigation. it will take a long time. although i think that the outcome is that mueller will win, we don t know. there is always litigation risks. so here is the other thing. the issue of the president wanting to do an interview. there are different schools of thought, him saying it as bs or means it. he has said it. here is what he said. are you going to talk to mueller? i m looking forward to it,
actually. would you like to testify to special counsel robert mueller? i would love to speak. nobody wants to speak more than me. true? it is against his lawyers. does he want to speak? the first clip you showed was in january. they were set to sit down at camp david in january for an interview. that is when he said i want to do it. i was told after michael cohen s office was raided that it was someone said this is a game changer for trump. he was so mad about it and mad at mueller. maybe he has shifted a little bit. this is a president who believed that he could change kim jong-un. this is a president who believes that he can turn vladimir putin into somebody that we can deal with easily.
so why shouldn t he believe that robert mueller this is what trump does. this is his m.o. if you sit down with me i can convince you of anything because i wrote the art of the deal. i know how to do this. i think in his own mind he wants to square off against mueller. before we go, i want to ask you about the manafort trial. manafort s lawyer asked gates if he had four extra marital affairs. the attorney says gates lied about the affairs mueller would rip up the plea deal. do you think gates lied to mueller? i can t base my opinion on anything i may know confidentially. i will tell you that it is highly unlikely he did because of the enormous amount of
meticulous preparation that goes into this. he already pled guilty to lying once to them. he met with them something like 20 times in preparation for this. i will tell you, i was surprised of what happened in court with that question. i was even more surprised that the prosecution didn t hit it off to begin with. that could be an indication that they were surprised. that is not good news for rick gates. it means they didn t know about it. i know we say this just as a human being. it may be easier for people to be honest about lying on taxes than it is to be honest about having extra marital affairs. new york republican congressman chris collins is about to speak live pleading not guilty today to insider trading and lying to the fbi. this is the first time he will speak. new results coming in from last night s crucial special election in ohio. that race getting tighter.
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members and was able to dodge $800,000 in stock losses. he was arrested today and the other members of his family, his son and the father of his son s fian fiance, all allegedly part of this. jessica, this is a pretty stunning thing, sitting member of congress arrested and charged with a serious crime like this. what more can you tell us about what he allegedly did? it is stunning and really the indictment is stunning because of all of the detail. it lays out a litany of phone and e-mail evidence showing how congressman collins purposely passed on inside information when he was on the board of directors for the australian pharmaceutical company and then lied about it to the fbi all according to prosecutors. what is interesting is how this timeline is laid out. it was june 22, 2017 at the exact same time the congressman was captured on video at a congressional picnic at the white house. that is when he received an e-mail at 6:55 p.m. telling him
that the company s highly anticipated drug trial had failed. this was the drug that was going to make or break the company. this information on june 22 wasn t publically released. that wasn t until june 22. phone records released by the fbi in this indictment shows that collins tried to reach his son calling him four times and finally reaching him at 7:16 p.m. that is when prosecutors say he told his son about the drug trial failure and that is when his son told his fiance s parents. prosecutors say her mother called her broker right away telling the broker to sell the stock when the markets opened. and then cameron allegedly called his broker at 7:42 the next morning about two hours before the markets open. in all prosecutors say cameron collins sold 1.3 million shares. for him that avoided nearly
$600,000 in losses here. so really a huge development, a huge indictment. i talked to people at the southern district of new york. they say if congressman collins were to be convicted on all of these counts he faces up to 150 years in prison. thank you very much. collins is saying he is not guilty. he is going to run for office again for this fall. it is pretty incredible. he is fighting back. he will be speaking any moment. we will keep that up so the second he speaks you will hear it. i want to go to keith boykin, close friend of both individuals here congressman collins and the man he has been so close to and endorsed and fought for president trump. this is a pretty incredible development. he is going to be speaking any moment. he is not resigning.
he wants to stay in office and he is innocent. your response? the timeline that the government laid out today is pretty compelling evidence. the whole notion that they have the exact moment when they received the phone call and cnn has the video of him receiving the phone call. then he tries to contact his son and communicates to him and his son communicates to his fiance s parents. he sells his stock. i can t think of what possible plausible scenario that he can offer to suggest that this was an innocent excuse. you can t say that the government was trying to get you when jeff berman is a trump appointee. so i don t understand how he gets out of this. i think this is an indictment of donald trump in some ways because trump, this is a guy who was the first congressional supporter, the first person to support donald trump. here he is now essentially
saying that he is involved in insider trading scandal just like tom price and wilbur ross was accused of $120 million. there are these stories about trump corruption. it s a horrible reflection of the trump administration. and you have manafort charged and gates under investigation. financial fraud and allegations around trump. collins, you know him. are you surprised by his reaction? i guess if you are facing 150 years in jail you have to fight back. i m not drawing a nexus between this crime and the president. we have to stop that. this is an individual in chris collins who was indicted. i have known chris for about ten years. we both served at county executives at the same time. we worked very well together. this is something he is going to have to deal with. he is proclaiming his innocence.
i will believe them through the due course, the due process. i think there will be a tremendous amount of pressure for him from the eight counties in western new york that make up his district, the party chairs for him to at some point get out. meaning get your name off that ballot. and that can happen right after the primaries in new york he can be nominated to another position, anything. and that would allow the party chairs to fill that vacancy to run for congress in that seat. that seat, by the way, was jack kemp s old seat. that has been haunted. four of the last five representatives have left with that what do you make of this and jessica saying if he is convicted 150 years in prison. that timeline. i understand he will have some kind of his side of the story. the timeline we were giving
obviously appears very damning. there was such a significant sale of stock. it comes at a time when in his mind he knows this news information. and four days ahead of it being released to the public. it is nonpublic and material because four days later the stock price dropped. that is why he avoided $600,000 of losses. that is a decent size loss. a lot of money. it is a huge amount of money for anyone. do you think that none of this is relevant to the president? it s an isolated case. chris collins is facing that potential crime on his own. he wasn t conspiring with president trump. president trump is nowhere in the indictment. his character, right? michael cohen being indicted. rick gates admit today money laumoney
admitted to money laundering. when you reach the presidency you have thousands of people who helped you along the way in 50 states. and there are bad apples along the way. i would not draw that nexus here. we are talking about this is the first person in the united states congress to endorse donald trump. we are talking about trump s campaign chairman paul manafort. his deputy campaign manager rick gates, his national security adviser michael flynn. it is a reflection of the question donald trump says he will surround himself by the best people. why are all of his people ending up indicted or in jail? the top people in his administration are under investigation or being indicted or are in jail and other people have left the administration in a cloud of scandal. why is this happening to someone who said he would drain the swamp? you can t say clinton did it.
even if it is true, this is a guy held to a higher standard. paul manafort was bob dole s campaign manager. he goes back to then. we are dealing with tax evasion charges from ten years ago. so i mean, come on, that is a stretch. as far as the collins thing goes, the republicans are already fighting to hold on to the house. this is going to be a seat that would have been easily won by chris collins. now all of a sudden it goes in play. it is in place and it is unfortunate because the democrats have a weak candidate. so i think in the next five weeks this will play out. i think for now chris collins doesn t have to do anything but sit back and start talking to the right people including his lawyers. thank you all very much. the first people that he is going to talk to we believe is us, the american people and his constituency because he will be taking that podium live. it is interesting that could
have started at early as 6:30. it is almost 7:30. there has been a big delay. he is going to be speaking and this will be an important moment. we will bring it to you live. also, coming up outfront trump promising major republican wins in november where he campaigns. michigan s democratic candidate for governor, is she worried? from the battlefield to the campaign trail women veterans are running for office. it is hard to walk away from something like that without a sense of second chance and do more with your life and have a purpose. raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens brown paper packages tied up with strings these are a few of my favorite things
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breaking news, the democrat gaining on the trump backed republican candidate in ohio, this is too close to call tonight but the margin even closer. officials found 588 uncounted votes late today. 588 votes really narrowing it. in kansas the republican primary for governor too close to call. that s a huge thing to say because the trump-backed candidate kris kobach and colier have 20% of the vote. and now it is a tie. now the races are up for grabs. we are creeping and crawling here. still too close to call. when are we going to know who won? we won t know the final answer for some time. both races head to a recount. in ohio the republican does lead by less than one percentage
point. the democrat at the moment has no plans to concede because he believes these outstanding ballots could tighten the margin and cut the lead to 0.5%. in kansas where the president did throw his late endorsement behind kobach, kobach is leading the sitting republican governor by fewer than 200 votes. kobach would oversee the recount. it doesn t appear that kobach would recuse himself from the process. it is interesting the schism in the g.o.p. saying we don t want your guy and trump does what he wants to do. the democratic side they have a major schism. the far left is getting a lot of
attention. candidates that she backed did not do well last night. no question about it. the energy of the democratic party is with bernie sanders wing of the party. they have not faired well in primary races often losing to the party establishment. in kansas both rally behind a house candidate who lost narrowly in the primary. if she beats the republican kevin yodder in november would be the first native american woman elected to congress and the state s first openly gay member. in michigan the son of egyptian immigrants lost overwhelming to gretchen whitmer. cortez also endorsed in missouri. while they did have some victories including kansas most of the time they lost and had
big questions going forward for the party. thank you very much. i want to go to the democratic nominee for michigan. you won the democratic nomination over the gentleman who had the support from the socialist wing of your party. are you concerned about the divide within your party even though obviously you were able to win? we had a three-way race. both of my opponents have endorsed me. they enthusiastically showed up at our lunch today. we are going to work together. the stakes are still high. our attorney general is just like donald trump. we are going to coalesce very quickly. i feel good about our chances. bernie sanders won the michigan primary over hillary clinton. polls showed she was ahead by 20 points and he managed to win. what has changed?
well, i think michiganders are frustrated with leaders who are not getting the job done. we have water problems still. a mom showed me the rash up and down her arm. we have roads that are crumbling and the agenda has set us back. we used to be leaders in public education. we are now in the bottom ten in the country. michiganders are frustrated with people who just talk about solutions. i offer a real plan to get things done. some people talked about your plan, fix the damn road s is yor slogan. cortez appeared about a week ago and here is some of what she said. this is a progressive movement. i see his success as my success. his platform medicare for all, free college, things that she supports.
your tag line was fix the damn roads. are you comfortable with all of this? medicare for everybody, free college do you think it is hurting the party? i am proud to be a progressive. i know how to get things done. i think that is what is different. we have families who need clean drinking water. you have kids who need good schools and pot holes that are ripping up our cars. i know it is not as exciting as some of the other platform issues that i am running on. those are the fundamentals that are holding michiganders back. this used to be the state that people came to for opportunity. we can be and we will be after this election. i can tell you fixing the pot holes is important and i think people get very frustrated about it. you pay a lot of money in taxes and roads and subways don t work. your opponent in november republican bill chuty, the president has endorsed him. the president s record on
endorsements on g.o.p. primaries is strong. trump won your state in 2016. are you afraid of his endorsement to mobilize that base and deal you a loss? i m not. we had record turnout yesterday on the democratic side much more heavily. i won 83 out of 83 counties with strong numbers. i can tell you we feel really good going into the fall. my record was reaching across the aisle and delivering on medicaid expansion. 680,000 people got health care because of that work. my opponent wants to rip that away. i m going to take on anyone who wants to steal health care away from people in my state. i think that is going to be a very sharp contrast. i feel really good going into this. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you, erin. next republican congressman chris collins, we expect this
momentarily. he has to come there and make his point. this was supposed to start more than an hour ago. these massive charges on insider trading obviously significant. clearly there is some sort of drama or hold up. we are watching this and will bring it to you the moment it starts. women veterans taking on their next mission, elected office. i m ready for that mission. a father arrested accused of training his children to carry out mass school shootings in america. sfx: [cell phone dialing]
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different pieces of shrapnel. you news a tattoo to cover the scars. reporter: an opportunity. it is hard to walk away from something like that without a sense of second chance and do more with your life and have a purpose. reporter: this veteran, married mother of two and purple heart recipient finding that purpose now in her run for congress. people like us just regular people reporter: like combat fighting on difficult terrain she is a democratic running in a district trump won by 13 points. look at the crowd. reporter: her veteran status cracking open doors once thought shut for democrats. what makes you different than our current congressman? i am connected to the district and i understand the
values of the district. thank you for your service. appreciate that. the republican who is sitting there, is it a person by person, house by house fight? we can use our districts as a good example of how to heal the country. it is not about compromising on your values about about not letting people divide us. i returned fire to the taliban. reporter: her military service pushing her video viral notably frustration for refusing to meet with her when she sued the pentagon, a suit haggar won. we ll show them tough and then show them the doors. the majority of fort hood is in my district. how are you going to close that gap? in this district trump won by a lot. the republican leadership has gone off the freaking rails and the things that the republican
party stands for now are not representative of the values of the people in this district who have voted republican. reporter: recruitment of veterans like haguer was a concerting strategy by democrats. the majority of veterans in congress today are republican like martha mcsally, the military s first female fighter pilot. i m ready for that mission and i m honored for the opportunity. reporter: 2018 is seeing a surge of female democratic veterans like mikey cheryl. we have a lot of newly engaged people in this race and we have to get them to the polls. reporter: she is running in new jersey s 11th congressional district, a newly opened seat held by republicans for generations. i went to naval academy and was a helicopter pilot. in my final tour i was a russian policy officer. reporter: mother of four and former federal prosecutor she stands a strong chance at
flipping this red district blue. does that open the door? i think it does. i think when you are talking to people and you are saying that you are going to represent a new type of leadership in congress, when you have a proven history of serving this country if you are a veteran and you have always put this country first i think it gives people the sense that you will continue to do so. she is running in an open seat. hagar is running against republican representative john carter. his campaign says he meets with any and all voters and adds this the reason why he has won so many elections he is a fighter and takes nothing for granted. thank you very much. next we now believe we are just a couple of minutes away from congressman chris collins acrossing reporters for the first time after insider trading charges. our understanding is we are just a couple minutes away now and we will see when he actually walks out there. plus a man arrested and what
he and others are accused of doing unbelievably chilling, training american children to commit mass school shootings. jeanne moos taking us to the town where everyone is turning on paul manafort.
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happening to the abused and emaciated children found in the compound in new mexico. scott, it s impossible really to get your mind around this. what can you tell us about the accusations that these children, these kids were being trained to commit school shootings? hey, erin, so this accusation actually stems from the criminal complaint that was filed in district court here in new mexico earlier today, and it was against all five of the adults who were found on that compound, two men and three women. a small part of that. could plant reads additionally a foster parent of one of the 11 children stated the defendant had trained the child in the use of an assault rifle for future school shootings. it goes on the say should the student be released from school custody, he pose as great danger to the children found on the property as well as a threat to the community as a whole, making the argument that these five defendants should all remain in custody, and they still are tonight, erin. it is important to make abundantly clear that these are
accusations, and they have not been proven in court. the defense lawyer told me look, these should be taken with a grain of salt because there is a chance that these are secondhand accusations, heard secondhand. and they might not be backed up in fact. i can tell you that there were guns found on the property by police and by the property owners as well. we were also out on that property earlier today, erin. i can tell you we discovered there was still plenty of ammunition lying around. we also found that there was a pretty well used gun range out there as well. i asked one of the neighbors about their gun ownership, and they said look, it s not a big deal. almost everybody out here owns guns. after all, you re in the middle of nowhere in the new mexican scrub gun. most people need guns for protection, and he didn t really think much of it. we also heard, though, from the father today of one of the accused. his name is lucas morton. and he painted a completely different picture, saying look, these were muslim people, peaceful muslims who just wanted
to live a life off the grid and get away from society. the only problem is they didn t have the resources or the means to do it properly, and that s why they ended up getting in trouble. scott, thank you very much. it s incredibly bizarre and zurich. thank you so much to you. all right. i want to go back to our panel here, pete boykin, all with me as we await chris collins. i believe he is going to be speaking in a few seconds here. let s listen to the congressman. thank you all for coming today. before i get started, most of you here know my wife mary of other 30 years. thanks for being here. national press may not know mary sue as well adds our local press does. so over the years, i ve often talked about the american dream. i m extremely fortunate in that i have lived it. it started for me when i borrowed and started scraping together every dollar i could to buy the westinghouse gear division here in buffalo.
and move it to niagara falls under a new name. i m proud that we put hundreds of people to work who are still working there today. after selling it in 1997, i ran for congress in 1998 up in the niagara falls area, knowing that my business experience would benefit the citizens of new york and offer a new perspective in congress. after being humbled in that race, i spent the next ten years as an entrepreneur, investing in and helping to stabilize dozens of bankrupt and financially distressed companies, saving and creating hundreds of jobs here in western new york. in 2007, which was recruited to run for erie county executive to turn around the effective bankrupt county. i was elected, and by applying the principles of lean sig
sigma, turned around the county finances in 18 short months, all the while honoring my campaign pledge to work for $1 a month. one of the many companies i invested in was a small drug development company, innate immunotherapeutics that was working on a unique cure for hiv patients suffering with aides. ultimately that shifted to a treatment for secondary progressive multiple sclerosis, which is one of the deadliest autoimmune diseases known to mankind. my affiliation with this company is why we re here today. i ve been an avid, an unwavering supporter of innate immunotherapeutics for 18 years, long before i came to congress or was elected county executive here in erie county. over this time, my affiliation with innate immunotherapeutics has prompted attacks on me, my
integrity, and my investments by my political opponents. i believed in the company and still do, and in the potential of a drug that had the real possibility of improving the treatment options for secondary progressive multiple sclerosis patients, which is about the most debilitating disease known to mankind, and something that i saw firsthand affect a close family member. over the years, i invested heavily in innate, became the company s largest shareholder, and an uncompensated member of its board of directors. without my investments and steadfast financial support, the company would have gone under, bringing with it a premature end to a drug i truly thought would revolutionize treatment options for secondary progressive ms. of all the things i wanted to accomplish in my life, finding a cure for secondary progressive ms was at the top of the list.
after years of blood, sweat, and tears, we firmly believed we were on the verge of a medical breakthrough. sadly, despite showing great initial promise, the drug was ultimately shown to be unsuccessful, which is a setback for all those suffering from this deadly disease. many have speculated about my relationship with innate. here are the simple facts. my connections with the company are well-known. i believe i acted properly and within the law at all times with regard to my afafiliation with innate. throughout my tenure in congress, have i followed all rules and ethical guidelines when it comes to my personal investments, including those with innate. when it became clear that the drug i and others believed in fell short of our hopes and examinations, i held on to my shares rather than sell them. as a result, the significant investment i made in the company
worth millions of dollars were wiped out. that s okay. that s the risk i took. my real concern lies with the millions of people suffering from secondary progressive ms who to this day struggle without life-saving treatments for their deadly disease. i ve said it before and i ll say it again. i am proud of my affiliation with innate. i may have lost most of the money that i invested in the company, but i took the chance to bring relief to those who deal with the dreadful disease of secondary progressive ms every day. the charges that have been levied against me are meritless, and i will mount a vigorous defense in court to clear my name. i look forward to being fully vindicated and exonerated, ending any and all questions relating to my affiliation with innate. i ve spent the last ten years in public service as the erie

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