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restricted press freedom. then, in indonesia, where the presidential election will constitute the biggest single day vote, president joko widodo as increasingly weend democratic institutions, d crack down on critics. the european parliament could see another surginar-right party in -- as journalists and press freedom icon maria ressa told politico, quote, we will know whether democracy lives or dies by the end of 2024. professor barbara f walter is with me, and also joining me is brian walsh, editorial director of vox and author of and times, a brief guide to the end of and brian i'm going to start with. you and i'm going to quote something you wrote for vox. think of it as the democracy paradox and -- exercising the -- democracy itself has rarely felt more --

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in the u.s., and also, or at least mostly for people in washington d.c. to be paying attention to all these elections that are taking place outside the u.s.. i guess, in other words, what is sort -- of what do all these elections mean for the international political order, professor? >> yeah. you, know the story that people don't know is that democracy reached its peak around the world in 2010. 2010. it's been declining ever since. so, the 20th century was the century of democracy. democracy almost did not exist in 1900. and by the end of the 19 hundreds, the assumption by people like me, who studied democracy was, that this was -- democracy was going to keep growing and growing until eventually every country around the world was going to be a democracy. then, it stopped. it stopped in 2010, and it reversed. and the question is that people have to ask themselves is, why is this happening? and it's not just happening in indonesia, in india, in the

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about what is going to happen there. i think pakistan as well. with -- even -- democratic sense. so, it's really actually easier to find -- that's not the case more than what it is even just the sheer number of what is happening -- >> barbara, i wanted to turn to president biden's speech yesterday. as you know, he spoke about democracy, and i want you to take a listen now to what he said. >> i can tell you from my experience, working with leaders around the world, and i mean this sincerely, not a joke. america is still viewed as the beacon of democracy for the world. >> america is still viewed as a beacon of democracy in the world. what is your response to that? do you agree with that? >> oh, absolutely. if america's democracy fails, democracy around the world will follow. we talk about america being the leader of the free world. with that means is, we are the leader of all countries who put

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are not going down without a fight. and there are catching it as an issue of immigration, they're catching it as an issue of voter fraud. they're catching it as any possible cultural issue. but the reality is, what's happening in the united states is a demographic change, and what you see throughout history, in countries that go through transfers of power from one group to another is that the dominant group almost never goes down without a fight. >> reporter: professor, thank you so much, you are going to be sticking around, there is so much more to discuss. i will talk to you in just a couple of minutes. but with us now is congresswoman annie kuster, a democrat from new hampshire, and the chair of the new democrat coalition. she was inside the capitol on january 6th. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining me today. i know obviously it's a very, very painful and traumatic day

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now -- january 6th was prologue, the election year of 2024 will be the decisive drama on the mend stage, and it's outcome is very much in doubt. let's talk about all of this with barbara f walter, the professor of political science at the university of california in san diego, and author of how civil wars start and how to stop them. professor, thank you so much for joining. i really appreciate it. i would love to start with getting your reaction to president biden's speech yesterday. what do you make of it? it was much, much needed speech. one of the surprising things for somebody who has watched american democracy since as early as 2008 and watched a decline, is the fact that americans really don't -- they haven't wanted to hear that message, they want to believe that our democracy is the greatest in the world, they want to believe that it will always be strong and that there is nothing really to worry

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and internet and sort of the global decline of democracy. on that note, professor, brian, i want to ask you, what are some of the elections across the globe that we should be paying attention to? one or two countries that you think are particularly important for us to keep an eye out? >> what i think is what happened in india is incredibly important. not just because that's the biggest election, biggest democracy. but we are going to see during narendra modi can continue really controlling that country in -- autocratic way. i think on the one hand, he is incredibly popular, but we've seen them really dismantling the trappings of democracy. you are seeing the -- campaign unfold is going to say a lot about whether india will remain anything more than a democracy in name. you mentioned indonesian -- and size, incredibly important. taiwan is -- that's a very vibrant democracy but one is under a lot of threat from china, very worried

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brian, can you please expand on that. i think it's a really, really important point to start off on. -- the story of election in 2024. on the one hand, you have more people go into the polls than ever before, in more elections, more populous countries. the united states, to india, to indonesia, starting tomorrow, bangladesh. on the other hand, you had a real risk in so many of these elections that you could see for the democratic backsliding that, even if you -- trappings of democracy, where you are actually seeing is the decay of democracy, and the fact these two things can happen simultaneously is extremely noteworthy. even this is new. the idea that this many people, this many countries can actually exercise democracy in some form is something to celebrate but when you look at what is actually happening on the ground, when you look at what is actually happening in these campaigns, in these countries the -- directing things will go in the future. >> professor, why do you think that it's important for people

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but the reality is, what's happening in the united states is a demographic change, and what you see throughout history, in countries that go through transfers of power from one group to another is that the dominant group almost never goes down without a fight. >> reporter: professor, thank you so much, you are going to be sticking around, there is so much more to discuss. i will talk to you in just a couple of minutes. but with us now is congresswoman annie kuster, a democrat from new hampshire, and the chair of the new democrat coalition. she was inside the capitol on january 6th. congresswoman, thank you so much for joining me today. i know obviously it's a very,

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very worried about what is going to happen there. i think pakistan as well, with there are concerns about whether that country can even continue to really, continue to grow within a democratic sense. so it's really actually easier to find a country that's not the case, more than given the sheer number of what's happening right now. >> barbara, i wanted to turn to president biden's speech yesterday. as you know, he spoke about democracy, and i want you to take a listen now to what he said. >> i can tell you from my experience, working with leaders around the world, and i mean this sincerely, not a joke. america is still viewed as the beacon of democracy for the world. >> america is still viewed as a beacon of democracy in the world. what is your response to that? do you agree with that? >> oh, absolutely. if america's democracy fails, democracy around the world will follow. we talk about america being the leader of the free world. what that means is we are the leader of all countries who put

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on that note, professor, brian, i want to ask you, what are some of the elections across the globe that we should be paying attention to? one or two countries that you think are particularly important for us to keep an eye out? >> what i think is what happened in india is incredibly important. not just because that's the biggest election, biggest democracy. but we are going to see during narendra modi can continue really controlling that country and what is increasingly and autocratic way. i think on the one hand, he is incredibly popular, but we've seen them really dismantling the trappings of democracy. you are saying how that campaign unfolds, it's gonna say a lot about weather in the end we'll remained anything more than a democracy in name. i think indonesia, in sheer size, is incredibly important. taiwan, in about a week, that's a very vibrant democracy but one that is under a lot of threat from china.

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