Something which is a hypothetical. there are scores of people who have gone to jail for doing far less. and so you can have people give adjectives and adverse and say this is a witch hunt but if you actually look at the data, it is absolutely clear that the rule of law required no less than what the justice department is doing right now. betsy, i want to come back to your point about, you know, math. i read the story three times when it posted and this is so dumb. i can t believe i have to cover this. this is so dumb. this is a crime that a smart criminal or someone who wanted to get away with it could have covered up. i mean, the whole fact that they were doing all this on tape, is there any piece of this that looks manufactured in your view, that looks like waving the red flag? is it careless? is it reckless?
Something we ve seen from the beginning. the search warrant talks about former staffers making those types of defenses on television and, again, i d submit if there was ever a time to disclose to the department of justice and to the u.s. government that these documents were classified, it was on june 3rd before there had been a search warrant, before anyone was charged, that s exactly the moment when you would want to deescalate. betsy, there are moments like a kaleidoscope shaking, how impotent trump s typical tv defenses are in this instance. when he was impeached twice, there were ridiculous things that his people went out and said and it had an impact of getting enough senate republicans not to convict him. this is totally different. this is so far a system that is in a chamber mostly sealed from
Investigators here, their focus was what do they need to do to make sure they have secured and obtained all of the classified documents. i ve been in these conversations many times before. that is the focus. should we obtain cooperation? do we need to send a subpoena? do we need to obtain a search warrant? that happens all the time and what we re seeing or what we saw with this affidavit is that the prosecutors, investigators, had no choice. this was the only way that they could ensure that they obtained the documents, not that they obtained criminal charges. and i do think it s important to separate those two because we re ten months advanced but at the time i don t believe the conversation was about criminal charges against the former president. yeah. i want to press you on this as well, andrew, and you too, betsy. i have to sneak in a quick break. we ll all be right back. break. we ll all be right back.
But i am hopeful that this might actually be able to take effect. all right. betsy, thank you. i know these are some questions that people who have those tens of thousands of dollars and for some hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans really want to know, when, what, how much. thanks so much. and be sure to mark your calendars for tuesday. join me as cnn s july 4th special returns with an all-star lineup. spectacular fireworks, the biggest musical performances around. cnn s the fourth in america live tuesday at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. we ll be right back. [ dog barks ] [ whimpers ] you u have reached your destination. onone more? onene more time id. light in the all-electric id.4. it s the little things.
The court simply affirmed the fact today that this is an illegal scheme and it had to stop. martha: yeah. i want to remind everybody, let s go back to this moment which i think resonated with a lot of people that worked hard to pay off their loans and made sacrifices. elizabeth warren thought it was a great idea. she thought everybody would love it. here she is confronted on the campaign trail in 2022. watch this. i want to ask you a question. my daughter is getting out of school. i saved my money. am i going to get my money back for school? of course not. so you re going to pay for people that didn t save money and those of us that did the right thing get screwed? martha: yeah, that was a memorable moment. it was 2020. before the presidential race. how do you see this playing out politically, betsy? well, i think president biden is going to continue to find ways to try to buy those votes. but i think what the court has said, made it very clear that