in egypt that wants to come to the floor as well. it is important for us not to say that our only two options are either the muslim brotherhood or a suppressed egyptian people. what i want is a representative government in egypt and i have confidence that iffy jipt moves in if egypt moves in that process we will have a government that we can work together. those are tough boys, the muslim brotherhood. i wouldn t want them near that government. and of course it happened that the muslim brotherhood seized power and chaos and the military is running the show. and there you go. all in all the president after five years, not really accomplished very much. congress is in disarray and we are a divided nation. syria has spotlighted the weakness we have in washington and it is disturbing. meeting with the russians in switzerland and they are trying to find a plan that will allow somebody, we don t know who, to disarm assad s chemical arsonal. the expectations are high. they are high for the united states and perhaps even more so more russia to deliver on the promise of this moment. this is not a game. it has to be real. it has to be comprehensive. it has to be verifiable. it has to be credible. it has to be timely and implemented in a timely fashion. and finally there ought to be consequences if it doesn t take place. kerry is a hawk when it comes to confronting syria, but few believe him when he talks tough because his boss, the president, looks tentative. i am hopeful that the discussions that secretary kerry has with the foreign minister as well as some of the other players can yield a
persuade a majority of the american people that it s the right thing to do. and then each member of congress is going to have to decide if i think it s the right thing to do for the america s national security, and the world s national security, then how do i vote? ultimately, you listen to your constituents, but you have also got to make some decisions about what you believe is right for america. laura: now, when the president tried to explain why he went to congress he instead made a stark confession. did i not put this before congress just as a political ploy or symbolism. i put it before congress because i could not, honestly claim that the threat posed by assad s use of chemical weapons on innocent civilians women and children posed an imminent direct threat to the united states. laura: bingo. that is one of the main reasons why the american people left, right, and center are so vehemently against blowing one dime in syria or jeopardizing the lives of our military personnel there there is no imminent threat but there are major questions that this administration cannot to this day adequately answer. questions about the identity and motivation of the rebels. questions about how we payr als about what our real objectives are and achievable after mission creep. after a week of trying to sell this the administration and its supporters in the g.o.p. establishment have raised more questions than they have answered. this is why, with the exception of a called dry of washington elites left right and center are united against action in syria in this country. will our representatives be guided by the bipartisan demands of the people
more chaos and more suffering in the end by innocence. a stronger, more prosperous america. not more establishment wars of choice will lead to a more stable, peaceful world. that s the memo. now on to the top story. reaction with us now is robert kagan. an old friend and senior fellow at the brookings institute. mr. kagan. now you and i over the years have talked a lot about iraq and you are a learned scholar and incredibly prolific writer. in the end when you look at this today, hat the administration not lost ground in the past week when they tried to sell this war, justify the war and maybe even circumscribe the length, the duration and commitment in this war? i think they have clearly lost ground and not just this past week. the public mood really shouldn t be that surprising when you consider that for five years president obama has been telling the american people that they should be nation-building at home, not involved overseas.
populationism popped up for no reason. what happened in iraq and afghanistan both wars i was a huge supporter of. and i love our troops. i do a lot as much as i can to help them. see the public doesn t the bang for the buck. we are weaker after all these military engagements. china hasn t been involved in any wars lately have they? they are pretty strong right now. first of all your history is excellent it was a reaction to world war i. ultimately an overreaction. and the problem that, you know, american public opinion can go swinging wildfully one side all the way to the other side. whose fault is that? it s the elite s fault, is it not? it s everybody s fault. in the case of the 20 s and 30 s. the elite was exactly where the public was. i think what the real question is does any of this matter or not? and that the public opinion, you know perfectly well we were both supporters of the iraq war and so was the overwhelming majority of the iraq people. laura: what happened not carrying about. i don t think he didn t care there was bad military decisions made and we paid a big price and we are still paying a price for it and i agree with. you this is are the pa of the legacy of iraq because people see the broken men who came back and women the clasped economy and jobless here. iraq is in total chaos. it was in better shape before barack obama decided to pull out every last american troop and made that decision. obama has been a disaster there no doubt about that. that people have been making terrible mistakes there is no question about it. but, unfortunately that doesn t absolve us from the need to make a decision now about what s in our interest. who are we funding in syria today? i mean, you know what we found out about factions inside the opposition mood. there were factions inside the syrian movement and clearly there is al qaeda al qaeda affiliates
although, how much more i guess the question i would like to ask is how much will would he be hurting if we are living in a world where all kinds of dictators are using chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction, where we have retreated in the face of iranian challenges in the face of russian challenges and face of hezbollah. believe it or not, things can get worse. the fact that we are suffering economically at home does not mean it s in our interest to do nothing about what s going on overseas. up next, president obama faces uphill battle to convince congress to support military action in syria. so can he change enough minds to get what he wants? we ll have a special report. right back. [ male announcer ] this is pam. her busy saturday begins with back pain, when. hey pam, you should take advil. why? you can take four advil for all day relief. so i should give up my two aleve for more pills with advil? you re joking right? for my back pain, i want my aleve.
barking dog and that appears to be what alerted the hostage s captors to what was going on. during the firefight that then followed, u.s. forpdss saw a militant go into the shack where the hostages were being held. it is believed that is when he shot both of the hostages, both of them died as a result of those injuries, as u.s. forces were transporting them away. u.s. intelligence did not know the identity of the other hostage being held with somers. he has since been identified as south african teacher pierre korkie. a char that worked with korkie says he was due to be released today. to discuss this and many of the other top stories for the week, joined by our panel, bring in democratic strategist basil smythe, jr., political consultant and former adviser to mitt romney, cater packer gauge and msnbc correspondent, casey packer hunt. obviously on this hostage story, we are learning the details, obviousiously a heartbreaking story, another report i know in the new york times this morning that apparently the south african who was being held about this american, this charitable group he worked with saying it had reached a dell for his freedom and obviously, that was destroyed by all this, too. another piece in it as well. just goes to show you i think that there was a failed mission a couple of weeks ago. all of these captors that isis has right now, the attempts to get them out, just how difficult it is to get any of these people back. and the obama administration has announced that they are going to review u.s. hostage policy, in part, because they have faced some criticism from the families of the people who have been held hostage and ultimately killed by isis and other groups much the one thing that the americans say they are not gonna change is whether or not they will pay ransom for a hostage and it sounds like from that preliminary reporting from the new york times that the south african group had actually paid a ransom or had been willing to and that he was set to be release and that you know, we didn t know that, the americans didn t know that when they went in. and all these isis stories, so many europeans held, yet these european governments, a lot of them don t admit it publicly, but privately, they pay the ransons and they get their people out. here of in the united states talked about the policy before, from the standpoint, wouldn t want to pay ran as soon as, the issues of the families, hey if the government doesn t want to pay it fine, can t i raise the money, can t i get my kid out, get my sop, my dur out? right. and there are legal issues there as well, but it s hard to tell a family that you cannot do that. it should be noted that as failed missions are not unusual, unfortunately, it goes took at least 1980 a mission in iran to free the hostages. are they changing tactics, not killed hostages before in this way. are they changing their tactic that may suggest we need to as well? if it s a response to isis. i think it does speak to a as the san francisco chronicle reports, minutes before the police disbursed the crowd, several concerts let out downtown, several concert gears waiting to neigh a nearby parking garage were sent running for cover. president obama this morning talking with b.e.t. net workers about this recent unrest in america. as painful as these incidents are, we can t equate what is happening now to what was happening 50 years ago and if you talk to parents, grandpar t grandparents, uncles, they will tell you that, you know, things are better, not good in some cases but better. typically, progress is in steps, it s in increments, you know, you re dealing with something as deeply rooted as racism or bias in any society, you got to have vigilance but recognize that it s going to take some time and you just have to be steady. that full interview, by the way, will air tomorrow night, 6 p.m. on b.e.t. basil, considering the president s role in all of this, the ferguson, decision no to go forward with the case was announced by the grand jury out there now, about two weeks ago, the president was on television within ten minutes. how have you assessed his leadership through this? i do think his leadership has been fine, he has been measured and i know there are some on the left that don t like that and conservatives don t like that s what they would say meddling in local matters. i think he has absolutely struck the right tone. what should be note it had is an be a sect failure of branches of government, particularly the judicial system and i think what what needs to happen going forward is that the president should, i know there is a federal investigation, should address the the actual issue here which are failures in criminal justice. this is going to impact also his nominee, loretta lynch, to the attorney general post. i know that she is gonna get significant questions on how she would go forward on some of these issues, but i think his tone was appropriate. i think he handled it fine. but we are waiting to see what s gonna happen with the federal investigation. loretta lynch angle on this is really interesting, casey, because she is as the u.s. attorney for this district involved in this case now, obviously, if she becomes the attorney general, potentially involved in anything that doj is doing. so, that just means this the decision is made here on whether federal charges had brought against garner is going to intersect with the confirmation politics in the senate. do we have a sense of how that is going to play out? absolutely, steph. i think the one thing that distinguishes ferguson, for example, from the garner case is you saw a remarkable amount of unity coming out of capitol hill saying there maybe a miscarriage of justice in this situation. i think the facts in the ferguson case have been much more sort of muddled and argued over. there are people who feel, you know, strongly that the police officer maybe acted in good faith. i think in this particular case, because of the video and because of the evidence that we had, everyone on capitol hill that i spoke to was pretty shocked that this came down the way it did and i think that while it can it has the potential to throw a wrench into her confirmation process, i think unless something particularly inflammatory happens with the investigation, there s nobody out there yet who is saying that pushing harder on this is gonna cause a problem for her. interesting, too loretta lynch, she political jobs in a way, she knows how to play politics and she has made alliances with people you might not expect, like rudy giuliani, for instance, very supportive. she came into it in a very strong position as well. when she was first announced, there was very little opposition to her, which is gonna help her in the long run. one of the reasons she was picked. let me ask you this, obviously, we have seen some of the initial polling after ferguson and what struck me about the polling after ferguson, we talked about this in the show a little bit yesterday, it really kind of hues to this basic partisan divide we see on almost any question and sort of the predictable groups go republican have one view of it the predictable groups that go democratic have one view.t i hear a lot of republicans saying this bothers me, too. haven t talked to anybody who has seen that video that suspect sort of shocked by what took place and feel like feels like there was just an overwhelming amount of violence in that situation that gives people pause. but not everything is a partisan issue. what there hasn t been a lot of talk about is the media s role in all of. this the fact of the matter is the protesters shall the people talking on either side of it, they don t have all of the information that these grand juries have offered to them. s s a little bit unfair to be second-guessing after the fact, not willing to sit down and look at the evidence the ferguson, we pretty much did get the evidence. we have it available. i m saying i don t think that too many people are actually sitting down and looking at all the evidence. there s a lot of sort of inflammatory reporting, in my opinion, that sort of gins this up and doesn t take the time to look at all the facts that are presented. and i do think that because of the video in the garper situation, it does seem much more clear but again, you still don t have all of the evidence that people are reviewing and poring over. but i do think what is fair and what the media has done very well is put voices on camera that are speaking to the inequities in the system and disparate treatment we are seeing in ferguson and in the eric garner case that tie those things together. look, cliven bundy is out in the west holding off federal marshals with advanced weaponry. he and his friends are standing on bridges with assault rifles pointing at u.s. maher shals but a man selling loose cigarettes gets choked to death and ten people are standing around him and are absolutely doing nothing. so, i don t think the media has inflamed anything. i think it is it is incumbent upon all of us really in situations like this to bring a lot of those voices to the table and say, yes, this is this treatment is disproportionate it is disparate and it s wrong. but the reality is that the criminal justice system, particularly in grand juries, you mentioned that, is where we need to have some real reform. they do not get vetted like trial jurors do and i think that needs change. all right. mo tore get to including some interesting comments from valerie jarrett about members of the obama administration. also, the latest on that rolling stone story about university of virginia and rape allegations. that s next. 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a magazine that sort of had an activist edge to this and they wanted to prove something they already they believed had happened without bothering i m still trying to figure out exactly how something like this happens, in terms of failure on a journalism level, i can t remember something this bad recently? steve, i think for this subject in particular, it s a shame that this has happened in part because it is so hard for so many of these victims to come forward. you have someone, and clearly the woman at the center of this story had something terrible and traumatic happen to her. now the magazine is struggling to figure out which details line up right and which ones don t. that is up to them. every time something like this happens it sets back the overall goal of making sure victims are believed, not written off, stories are true, so much that goes into feel like they can t come forward because they are not going to be believed and i think that, you know this is a major journalistic sin but as will for our community as a whole as people are trying to combat sexual assault. this was a story that i have three nieces that are on colleges campuses today and it was a story when i saw it that i immediately share ready with family members, because it sort of terrifies you. to kasie s point, i think it does setback the ability to get people to come forward. you know, there s a lot of things that are worrisome. i think that when a journalist makes a deal that they are not going to talk to the accused, i think that s a dangerous place to be. i think it s also a dangerous police to be when colleges decide that they are gonna try to handle these things internally and not turn something that s felony immediately over to law enforcement. so all of those things, you know, sort of give you pause about this. part of it, basil, you read how this came together, there was a point apparently in the reporting where jackie didn t want to be part of this in i more, you know what i don t want to go down this road. rolling stone basically strong armed her, no, we are doing this and hey this is running either way, you want to talk to us or not, we are running this either way, that s lot on rolling stone. and i think it specs to your point you hope it doesn t have a chilling effect. if a victim wants to report the story, wants to report what s happened to them, wants to go forward and talk to the police, whether the campus police are handling it or the local pd will be handling it, you don t want a situation where she s being forced to sort of come out and then not have control of the story of the details of the incident after that. and it looks like, you know, and i hope this doesn t happen, i hope that aring the rolling stone apology doesn t sort of cut off the conversation about what happened to her but you certainly don t want a chilling effect going forward. the university of virginia actually in their statement, i think to their credit, said, okay, well, these questions. coming out about this story but, you know what, this is still a conversation we need to have. we still need to be focused on making sure that we limit or end sexual assaults on campus. for a publication like rolling stone , too, what do they do now, a brand name in american journals and rolling stone around forever. each institution has to grapple with this. changing this apology in some ways is a red flag, how you handle this is really if something like this happens, how the s handled and the aftermath says a lot about the institution, what they are committed to. so i m not sure that changing your apology and not mentioning the fact that you changed your apology was yeah, the instincts, too the first apology they ran, it was just so much like trying to push this off, oh, we got fooled, we got hoodwinked here, something like that. that didn t look good either. there s a lot of these cases that occur and clearly, they gravitated toward a particularly inflammatory case because it would sell and it would cause page views and i think that s on the editorial team, you have got something so incendiary that you are, you know, crossing all the its and dotting all theisms, clearly, they didn t do that that was the thing that struck me reading it all the important sort of institutional questions about uv a, its response, the response of colleges to all of this, they are in this arm and there are important things to be raised. almost as if they said, you know what that s not gonna get the page views what is gonna get the page views is the anecdote, we need the anecdote at the top of it, when they get into trouble and raising all the questions. say thanks to, bass the spikele, jr., katie packer gains. kasie will be with us later. and anger over one of president obama s nominees from an unlikely source, his own party. that s next. 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here to discuss is msnbc contributor jared bernstein, who is also a senior fellow at the center of budget and policy pries and was vice president president obama s chief economic adviser and lenore pal dean know, economist and vice president of policy and outreach at the liberal think tank, demost. thank you for joining us. lenore, let me start with you. the case against weiss this is a member of the president s party, campaigned for obama s re-election, done work on the issue of raising taxes on the wealthy to combat inequality, why is that a bad choice for this position? so i think we have to step become and look what the this position actually is. it is somebody at treasury who deals with domestic finance and the implementation of dodd frank, i think two qualifications we need. one is someone who has deep experience with domestic regulation and the other is somebody who is independent from wall street, somebody who is going to be willing to disagree with them and i think that does he have regulatory experience? not that i m aware of. he is a corporate m & a guy. his experience is really in international corporate business mergers and also this $21 million payout he is getting from lazzard to go into public service that really calls into question independence from wall street. okay, jared, that is the case against. what do you make of that? i think both lenore and senator warren make a lot of good points. i think, from my own experience, it really matters a lot who s in the room when you re making economic policy at this level. however, i think they are different rooms, for this. radio, for the undersecretary of domestic finance, i think it s helpful to have someone with the kind of market experience that antonio weiss brings to the table. lenore didn t mention one of the most important parts of the job, that s managing the stock of our national debt, $17 trillion in debt that this undersecretary has to be sure to finance in a way that s highly efficient. if you look at this guy s career, he has spent decades in international markets dealing with global finance. in fact, it s hard for me to realize, and i i would argue that senator warren has failed to really name a person who would be appropriate in this position who doesn t have this kind of market background and experience. jared, is it a concern to you, no experience unless no experience in terms of regulation, no regulatory experience? well, in fact, if you re sitting across the table doing mergers and acquisition and the kinds of advice that lazzard provides to firms, you know a lot about where those skeletons are buried. what really matters in this position, somebody with regulatory ex-peer enwhy, hard pressed to find many in this kind of position who had that kind of experience and that they have the kind of sensibility that senator warren is looking for. and here, i know antonio weiss a little bit and he actually is very much in favor of the kind of rigorous oversight that senator warren and frankly myself think is important. we shouldn t judge him just on the basis of this wall street kind of label that s been attached. lenore is there an argument to be made, i wonder what you make of the argument that because he is so close to wall street, because that s his background, because he knows so closely, so intimately how it works it would put him in position to sort of know the trick, to know, hey if this is the regulation this is the workaround they are going to tray to come up. you want somebody like that, sort of like at the casinos, they hire the guy that knew how to beat the game, beat the house, hire him for security. is there an an analogy there? i think it is about the mix of regulators enough treasury and we know how much that ineffective financial regulation led to the last crisis, i don t know antonio weiss. i m sure s very smart guy and could do a good job. the question is really who would be the best person for this position at this time. do you have so do you have somebody else? jared was thinking i don t. but i think there s a number of other consumer advocates, financial regulatory experts, people who have really been in the sausage making, in and around treasury for a long time who would be great fits for the position. let me make a point about that, steve, you know, it s important to recognize that mr. weiss, as an undersecretary, will be working under the deputy secretary, sarah bloom rasken. this is someone who has a long history of consumer advocacy and someone who senator warren really championed and recognized as really i think the type of regulate they re both lenore and i recognize is important to have up there, that s basically going to be mr. weiss s boss, if he is confirmed, and she will be driving the regulatory train. that makes me feel a little better about. this here is one thing, jerry, my impression from afar watching elizabeth warren in this, also interested in making a statement and having the democratic party make a statement that a democratic party that s had such a close relationship with wall street and wall street that caused so much pain in people s lives the last decade, using this as an opportunity to tell people, you know what, we are looking away from wall street for a change. suspect there an argument to be made for doing it symbolically? it is a great argument. half of my article was completely underscoring that argument. let me tell you something from the inside that i think is very important and really isn t part of that argument. when i worked for the obama administration as an economist and we were trying to craft dodd frank and dealing with the recession and recovery act, the folks on the other side of my progressive/warn/lenore kind of arguments were not necessarily people with wall street experience. i m not going to name names but the folks that i was arguing against often didn t come from wall street. so, you know, that kind of a litmus test may not be really what s warranted here, no pun intended. lenore, final word on this. i think we have to look at what would be the best fit for this position at this time and i don t think antonio weiss is it. all right. to be continued on this one. my thanks to lenore paladino from demoss, jared bernstein, center of budget and policies. appreciate you joining us this morning. thank you. over a decade since the debut of the bush doctrine and this week, we have a preview of the jeb bush doctrine. we will dissect it. that s next. alright, so this tl arthritis lasts 8 hours, but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? 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how effective will it be? joining me now is former george w. bush campaign adviser mark mckinnon, now a columnist for the daily beast and co-founder of no labels and msnbc political reporter, kasie hunt, is here with me in the studio. mark, you know this family very well and think of policy and the bushes and i think of george bush senior, the first george bush had a chance to go into baghdad, absolutely wouldn t do it the son absolutely did do it. when you look at jeb bush, which one is easy, the restraint of the father or sort of the let s go in there spirit of the son? well, probably a mix of the two. you know, first of all, when you see a governor giving a major foreign policy speech, that s pretty clear indication that he s running. two i would say that i think people saw this speech and conservatives recognize that s, a, really serious on the policy side and very conservative, he s got his own doctrine, very much focused on central and south america and terrorism there, cyber security, so, he is really, talking about going his own way and forging his own foreign policy, but it s a real flag that s getting sear juice about i mean, does he believe, i was going back and looking at the speech, hard for me to say, but that idea that sort of animated his brother, animated george w. bush s presidency of just this, the power of sort of testimony mock krk k testimony mock krit testimony mock krit tizization, has he learned from thafrom that? jeb bush thinks we should lean forward, lead from in front and words matter. that would be part of the jeb doctrine. i wonder how the republican universe looks at this, aware of the political baggage that comes with the bush name and bush foreign policy tradition, people in the republican party who still believe in it. where is the republican party now, what are they looking for when it comes to foreign policy in a couple things on jeb bush and certainly any candidacy would be cast in late of his brother and iraq. tough think about what s happened since then, namely, president obama and the raise of senator rand paul. and i think hearing from bush, our words need to mean something that is very much a reflection of the republican party s overall thinking on this president, which is he likes to say things, likes to draw red lines. red lines on syria. likes to not follow through. they are looking, i think, for a candidate who is who will push forward with that, we are going to mean what we say. but also, with senator paul there is some significant concern on in those factions of the republican party, whether you want to call them neoconservative, not convince they had would call themselves neoconservative anymore, those particular people concerned about israel. john mccain, lindsey graham. sheldon adeleson a key one, some of big donors, they are looking for somebody who sounds a lot more like jeb bush than rand paul. mark is that one way to maybe interpret this, governors, when delivering foreign policy addresseses that is a pretty clear sign what they are thinking, i agree with that, lack at the con of this speech, telling the types of people in the republican party that kasie was talking about, lack, you re scared of rand paul, i can be the guy who beats rand paul? no question, he has firmly established himself to the right of rand paul and ted cruz, which is a real faction now on foreign policy, so this is really separating himself and also laying down a marker that s very conservative. let s put this in a little bit of broader perspective, a poll that came out last week, the republican field, jeb bush, chris christie, you know, sort of running together near the top there, sometimes they throw mitt romney into these things, too, and mitt romney ends up into the lead. there was a story this week, we can also show this, from business insider this week saying romney met recently his inner circle, some emerged convinced that s running. we have been hearing this off and on, mark mckinnon what do you make of the mitt romney stuff? is this just a great smoke screen? an ego trip by a guy getting a few fremonts of press here? do you think there s any chance he runs? could be our adlai stevenson. i think there is a chance he could. that i saw that as a significant signal this week and in reality, you look at the field and he he thinks he could be the establishment candidate again. and you know, it s also something to be said for having run a couple of tapes, he has got hiss down well, a good candidate, especially in the republican primaries, sitting, having to get out there and deal in the trenches, a lot of candidates. would he if jeb bush wants to run, does jeb bush sort of get right of first refusal, romney run if bush ran or only if bush doesn t? you know, he says he doesn t care what the bush what jeb bush would do. i don t think that s really true. i think if jeb bush gets in, he is going to throw a pretty wide net on the establishment money and support. kasie, i wonder what you make i saw this poll we put up there with bush at 14%, christie, 11%. we think of the bush name, we of the reputation this is the establishment guy this is the one they can all kind of rally around. i m saying, 14% awfully i remember when george w. bush set out in 2000 to run in polls lick this, he was at lick 40%. you re down to 14 now for jeb bush. are we overstating the appetite that s there in the republican party for him? i think that, look, very early polls of the an reflection of name recognition, the bush name is immediately gonna put you should be higher than 14, right? i think what it shows, unlike on the democratic side, hillary is absolutely blowing out the rest of the field there is no one dominant choice for republicans. they have a huge potential field and that s why i think these questions of who s in and who s out are actually going to end up being pretty critical. i would say, his name is there, but what you were talking about as far as who gets the early money, who gets the establishment support, that s gonna sort of say, signal who on that giant long list of candidates, which ones are gonna get squeezed out before they even really have a chance to step forward and to move their number up higher? 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what s supposed to happen there is a lot of planning, meticulous execution and in order to do that, lots and lots of rehearsals but they didn t have the luxury of time here because the expectation was that al qaeda was gonna execute somers so they had to just go with whatever they had. they had a plan and to execute it as quickly as possible, without all the rehearsals that were necessary under normal circumstances. you re in an area over here, the objective is somewhere in south central yemen and you position the assets nearby in the gulf of aden. in this particular case, aboard the uss macon , a ship that typically has lots of rotary winged aircraft, including blackhawks and ospreys like this, tiltrotor aircraft, carry a lot of special operators into the objective area. once you re there, you figure out exactly where you re gonna go, let s say this is the objective, small compound in south central yemen. you don t want to land on top of the objective, cause you lose the element of surprise. instead, you land some distance away where they can t hear you and then infiltrate your force under the cover of darkness, took place after midnight and then attract objective. in this instance, they were alerted there were some people who were awake, they saw the attacking force and as a result, a firefight ensued. once the firefight s over, you secure the objective and then you bring in rotary winged aircraft, like the ospreys and blackhawks in order to evacuate casualties, enemy who are captured, intelligence material, the hostages and so on, you bring them back to the uss macon or a similar ship and then out of the area. this is an extremely difficult operation to pull off and much, much different than a lot of the operations people have in mind using special operations forces. yeah, colonel, on that, what do we have a sense, when talking about going into a place lake this where you re trying to rescue people, trying to get them out alive, what the odds are of success for pulling something like this off. not as good as going in, for example, going in and getting osama bin laden if you re going to attack to kill or capture enemy, oddly, it s much easier to do that than it is to go into an area like this and not only kill or capture the enemy, but be able to isolate the hostages from the enemy and bring the hostages out alive, extremely difficult to do. doesn t succeed nearly as often as the as the attacks to kill and capture the enemy, very, very tough operation. and done with very little warning. so these things, your honor to the unfortunately, don t come out successfully. we haven t learned the details yet, any lessons that jump out to you from the experience in this failed mission that we could learn for future ones? you know, we had the opportunity to do this before and the mission failed. the mission failed, went about a couple of weeks ago to go snatch him but we didn t get him, we didn t get him because the intelligence wasn t up to speed. they had moved somers just a day before we went into the area. we were able to get some other hostage bus not somers and points out how important good intelligence is. overhead satellites, we do a lot of that, eavesdropping on telephone conversations. there s nothing there s nothing that will compete with good intelligence that will contribute to the successful accomplishment of the mission and so, the lesson here is you got to be vigilant. you got to keep on top of the intelligence. any time somebody is moved, you got to know about it and you have to be able to develop intelligence on the ground. extremely difficult to do in a place like this. in other areas like iraq and afghanistan, they built up areas lots easier because we have people on the ground talking to other people on the ground, place like this, extremely difficult to do. so, the lesson here is stay on top of your intelligence. all right, colonel jacobs, the big board used for non-election stuff, very good job, very informative. appreciate that. straight ahead, we will continue this conversation from the perspective of a retired four-star general, former nato supreme commander wesley clark will be here later. and senator bernie sanders joins us with not just the will he or won t he question about running for president but also the why. you won t want to in miss that. stay with us. it s not about how many miles you can get out of the c-max hybrid. it s about how much life you can fit into it. the ford c-max hybrid. with an epa-estimated range of 540 miles on a tank of gas. and all the room you need to enjoy the trip. go stretch out. go further. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. having less pain. it s a great feeling. ask your doctor about lyrica today. it s specific treatment for diabetic nerve pain. is t did the u.s. have any choice? thanks for staying with us this sunday morning. next week at this time, the federal government could be shut down, yet again. we are gonna ask two prominent congressmen, one democrat, one republican, whether a deal can be reached before this friday s deadline. also senator bernie sanders from vermont will be here to talk about his plan to rebuild the middle class and maybe his plans to run in 2016. we begin this hour with the new details emerging this morning about the failed operation to rescue american hostage, luke somers. he and another hostage from south africa were killed in the raid bay the al qaeda militants who had been holding them. nbc s kristen welker joining us live from the north lawn of the white house with the latest. kristen? reporter: steve, good morning. i have been talking to senior administrations officials throughout the weekend and one u.s. official describes the rescue mission as a multiagency whole of government effort. it started overnight on thursday. you will remember that s when have a of luke somers was leased by his al qaeda captors who threatened to kill him on saturday. so, we are talking about yesterday. intelligence officials say that they determined the threat was credible. they believe that somers captors would, in fact, kill him yesterday. they also had credible intelligence about somers whereabouts base olden their part to initially rescue him. you will recall that happened last month, steve. all of that set off a series of meetings from the pentagon, the state department and right here at the white house. on friday, the president s national security team, i am told, recommended unanimously that mr. obama approve the mission. he and secretary of defense chuck hagel, who is, of course, outgoing, gave the green light on friday morning. here is how the mission all went down. on friday night, dozens of navy s.e.a.l.s landed about two miles from their target. the american commandos reached what is being described as a cluster of buildings and this s where somers was being held. once the al qaeda captors realized what was happening though, that s when a gun fight broke out. somers and that south african who you mentioned, pierre korkie, were discovered gravely wounded, apparently shot by their captors. they were airlifted, treated by medics, airlifted to as you navy ship but both ultimately died of their wounds. now the u.s. special forces did kill between six to nine al qaeda captors and i am told at this point, it appears as though no civilians were killed when ask if the white house had second thoughts about the mission, one u.s. official told merck look, the president still feels it was the right decision to try to rescue somers because the intelligence about his location was reliable, he was in that exact location. in a statement yesterday, president obama said the u.s. would spare no effort to use all of its military intelligence and diplomatic capabilities to bring americans home safely wherever they are located. meanwhile, steve, we are also hearing from his friends and his colleagues today in a statement, his stepmother describes somers as a talented photographer with a sensitive for the people and people s lives. i spoke with one of his colleagues who works at pbs news hour but who had spent some time in yemen as well, steve. that person telling me that he just can t believe that this happened to luke somers. that entire community of people who are his friends and his family just in shock this morning. steve? all right, kristen welker live at the white house. thanks for joining us this morning much appreciate that. absolutely. thanks. we are joined nowby retired u.s. army general, wesley clark, former supreme allied commander of nato, former presidential candidate, also author. new book don t wait fort next war. general, welcome, thanks for being with us. so i mean, listening to what kristen just outlined there, it certainly seems, you know, seems like there was no choice but to take a shot at this, the alternative, they were gonna kill him anyway. the same time, you hear about how this went down, basically, the minute that al qaeda realized that there was a rescue attempt being made, they went in and killed him. and it just raises the question, how can you get these hostages out alive if that s what you re facing? sometimes you can get in there with good ingems and you can surprise the enemy and you can get the hostage, sometimes you re not going to succeed. all everyone connected in this operation understood the risks but you re faced with the issue of do you let it happen or do you take action, because it s not only about the life of that hostage. in this case, two hostages, but it s also about how you protect americans going forward. it s about whether you increase the value of americans as targets for terrorist kidnappings or whether you put fear in the hearts of al qaeda and convince them that they will never get away with it. maybe you won t rescue every hostage, but you will never had a team that s holding those hostages that s ever safe and secure. and we will destroy those people who are taking those hostages, time after time, whenever they attempt to do some and that s the united states policy. this is a long, multiyear, maybe multidecade effort in this region. we are gonna see more of this, as long as they continue to take americans hostage. and i hope the united states is gonna be effective in persuading other governments, including governments like the government of south africa, which reportedly paid money to have the other hostage released, not to do that. we have got to work together and we have got to break this al qaeda hostage taking. let me ask you this, i just cause this summer and early fall, we had a spate of stories about isis, isis taking hostages, beheading them, being paid ransoms by some european governments, the united states, the uk refusing to do so. this is a different group this is al qaeda in the arabian peninsula doing this is there do you have a sense that maybe there are other groups like this group, like al qaeda and the arabian peninsula that maybe saw what isis was doing this summer and sort of a copycat thing now? well, it s the way the terrorists can make money. so, if? a tactic that works, then there will be copycat cells all over north africa kand the middle east who will look for americans who were in there for all the right reasons. they will seize them, they will demand payments. they will hold them. so, this is a problem throughout the region, it s not just a single organization, it s the way they make money. the reports from last summer indicated that isis had made millions and millions of dollars from hostage taking. we know this somali pirates in an earlier period were making money off hostage taking and we know we have terrorist cells across north africa and into countries like nigeria with boko haram, who would do this if they could get their hands on the right americans and thought they could pull it off or the right europeans. so, yes this is a threat throughout the region. the other thing is i wonder what you would say, how would you say, from a standpoint of policy, let me put it this way, from a standpoint of policy what you are saying about why we should never pay ransoms, i totally understand, the policy of the united states, but when talking to one of these families has a son, a daughter, who is being held by these groups, and that family is made aware that, hey, if we can just raised 1 million, $2 million, somehow we can come one that money ourselves, we will see our son again and if we don t, we won t. how do you tell that family to resist that urge? well, there s two issues here, one is even if the money s raised, you may or may not get your loved one back, because delivering this money and having the hostage released, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn t, sometimes it s a matter of back and forth communication is the price gets raised. secondly, i think that all the american people and those families know that they want their government to be involved trying to bring these people back to freedom. now, these european governments, south african governments, they don t have the capacities to mount a rescue operation. so, they buy it off. but by buying it off, you re feeding the threat and you re making more likely that other families and other loved ones will suffer the same fate afterwards. so i think in this case, it s one of those terrible things, if you re a family and you ve got a loved one that s going into that area, then i think you have to be aware of the risks and you have to really think again about doing this, because these people are in danger, they are targeted, they are like a walking cash cow for terrorists. so, got to really think hard about whether we want to do that or not. we obviously had the intelligence, sufficient intelligence to find out pretty much exactly where they were being held, the two hostages being held for this mission to begin and apparently, previous effort recently where they had been moved at the last minute which raises the question, a group like al qaedaed in the arabian peninsula, groups like isis, we always talk about our intelligence to find out where they are, how good is their intelligence to know where we are? well, they do have intelligence, you know, and they are getting better and better at it you know, a decade ago when the united states first started, it wasn t that easy for them they didn t understand the technology, the techniques, the hard wake the way we operate, they have gotten better and better at this, yes, you can buy commercial satellite imagery. you can probably buy electronic eavesdropping. you can listen on youtube and hear people talk and report things that perhaps shouldn t be reported. we are getting a tremendous amount of information, let s say, about russian activities in ukraine by simply monitoring youtube and watching what people post on facebook. so, there are ways in which information leaks out, but i d like to think that our ability to protect our own movements and our own intentions is pretty good. and it s able to be controlled and especially when you have an aircraft carrier or an am fab off the coast like this and it s moving. yes, it may have been seen in a port and yes, there may be fishermen out there who can see things and who knows, but we know how to sanitize that area, if we have to. and we can do that. so, i m sure we will be tightening up our own intelligence and counterintelligence procedures after this. all right, retired army general wesley clark, thanks for joining us this morning. thank you. all right, how the holidays are threatening to bring another government shutdown bay the end of this week. we will investigate the why and whether it can be prevented with two people in a position to stop it. that s next. i was just looking at your credit report site. do you guys have identity theft protection? 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republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania, democrat bill pascrell of new jersey, both sides of the aisle, they join us now. thanks for joining us. congressman dent, i will start with you on the republican side, how confident are you right now that there will not be a shutdown this week? i am very confident there is not going to be shut down. i thank you a lot of my colleagues learned a regard lesson a little over a year ago and certainly no education to be gained by the second kick of the mule and certainly no wisdom from the third or fourth kick. but to listen to some of the rhetoric coming out of there, it sounds like there s an appetite, especially because this executive action thing, to find some way to undo it through playing with funding for dhs and well there are a handful of members who, you know, i think would take must that direction. but overwhelmingly, think most of the members in the house, you know, want to pass the cromny bus or omnibus or at least move forward, clear the decks now so we can start the new year with a fresh agenda. congressman pascrell, it might come to you as a democrat to provide a critical vote to get this thing passed, if a handful of republican, a dozen of them, a couple dozen of them say, you know, this isn t enough, we don t want to vote for this bill, you re going to need democrats to get it across, this bill, the one we outlined there, something we have to live with? we have to pass the legislation but we don t have to be handmaidens, we don t have to let them vote first and then vote, let them put up their votes, not all of the let it go down and then let it come back or yeah, it s some way it will pass, hopefully by 3:00 thursday afternoon. some way it will pass. but we don t have reasonable members, like charlie kent accident on the other side. charlie dent is not an exception, a lot of good republicans who think and try to resolve their problems. but the majority, i think, are caught up in being pushed by the tea party folks and they have gotten away with it for a couple of years and they are going to continue to do it. i mean, they use this immigration thing as an excuse, if it wasn t immigration, it would be something else. there s no doubt about t. they want the showdown. absolutely, they want a showdown on every situation. and to hold homeland security hostage, charlie, to me, is a pretty particularly in the situation we are going to right now throughout the world, is not the right way to do this. in my opinion. so, if this gets through this week, it means that funding for the whole government is basically good for a year, except funding for the department of homeland security, which would come up again early next year and then your party or would want to fight that all over again then? no, actually, my preference is to pass an omnibus, all 12 you want everything passed? i want it all passed. what they are putting together not 12. i serve on the homeland security committee and i helped draft that bill, a lot of good stuff in there, i don t particularly want to cr that, kick that into the new year because come february or march, we will pass the homeland security at prop preyations bill, i would just assume pass it now, this week. that s my preference, if the votes aren t there bill said s clever guy, bill, he is a friend, look, he is smart, he thinks the republicans, the republicans should put the votes up, 218 before one democrat should vote for it i don t blame them. what i would do but we should but the point is if there aren t the votes for the cromny bus, i would say pass the omnibus. the way it was explained to merck the sort of tea party crowd wants to fight over the immigration executive action and that, hence they want to put dhs funding on the table. but even if you stopped dhs funding, the way this thing is being implemented it would still go forward is that right? pretty much. much of the u.s. citizens immigration service, uscis is funding through fees and they are gonna get their fees, regardless. so, yeah, i don t think it s a particularly good tactic. i think the way that we republicans should respond to the president s executive action on immigration is by passing some immigration bills in the new year. that s what the president wants. and that s exactly what the president s strategy is, charlie and that is you have the senate bill for so long, you didn t do anything. i don t mean you personally, you didn t do it, the president said i m going to do something about tax critical thing. if immigration is broken, this is my response to it and you have time to pass legislation to undo what i m trying to do rather than let s go to court, let sue the president. come on, that s not gonna go any place. well, first, look, the president s executive action, i think he overstepped his authority, even the washington post editorialized this is a sweeping step. that said well, they are not the litmus test of what s legal and not legal here. this is a whole class of people that the president has, you know, has suspended deportations from. i think this is unprecedented. you agree with it though? what if we voted on that tomorrow? what if we voted to do what the president did in executive orderer? would you vote for that? let me tell you what i will do. i will vote on a step-by-step basis for several immigration bills. i don t want to do one big comprehensive bill. i want to do border security, i want to do interior enforcement, e-verify, children, you can accompanied children and i m prepared to have an honest, adult conversation about the 11 million people in this country unlawfully and deal with them in a way that i think will be and you may. you want to deal with them humanelism and i well, congressman that might be with the republicans increasing their majority in the house that sort of piecemeal approach, what goodlatte has been talking about that may be the reality of what they pursue there, do you see any common ground there, okay there under certain circumstances? most of what they might suggest and i haven t seen it in writing about we do this individually, step-by-step, i can agree with. i wish they could have done that with health care, but they didn t, chose not to do that. i think that we are gonna have a long fight over immigration regardless of what happens, whether the president did this last week or not, doesn t matter. i think we are going to have a long fight over. this and i think border security is a ruse. i think if it wasn t that, they would get something else in order to hold up immigration. the system is broken, we need a change and if the chamber of commerce is for it, it can t be so bad, charlie. let me ask but this, we have limited time left, cause we heard this after the 2012 election, if there s one thing the two parties are gonna agree on after this, it s immigration reform. we just finished the 2014 election, didn t happen. by the time the 2016 election comes around, do you think congress will have passed ant president will have signed some comp mean sive form of immigration reform? yes. i believe we will see some progress on immigration reform. i can t say we will pass every piece of it but i think certainly think you will see it on things like border security, e-verify, s.t.e.m. workers and hopefully agricultural workers at the very least, maybe the children. senator a little less confident. my thanks to bill pascrell from new jersey, charlie dent from pennsylvania. appreciate you joining us this morning. a new proposal by president obama to improve policing but will it work? that s next. right strip and pow, it opens your nose up to 38% more. so you can breathe and do the one thing you want to do, sleep. add breathe right to your cold medicine shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. and look for the calming scent of new breathe right lavender, in the sleep aisle. last night, police used tear gas to disburperse protesters i berkeley, california. some in the crowd broke windows and looted stores. one of the demands made by protesters in recent weeks, demand made by the family of unarmed teen michael brown who was killed by police officer darren wilson in august and demand has been for police to wear body cameras to capture their interactions with the public. and that idea got a major boost this week from president obama. the president is proposing $75 million in federal spending to help state and local police departments outfit their officers with cameras. i think ferguson laid bare a problem that is not unique to st. louis or that area, and is not unique to our time. and that is a simmering distrust that exists between too many police departments and too many communities of color. i m going to be proposing some new community policing initiatives that will significantly expand funding and training for local law enforcement, including up to 50,000 additional body-worn cameras for law enforcement agencies. obama s proposal follows experiments with body cameras in cities nationwide. new york city the nation s largest police force, started their body cam pilot program this weekend. but then in new york city this week, this also happened, a grand jury dexlined to indict new york city police officer daniel pantaleo in the choke hold death of eric garner, even though garner s death was recorded on camera by a bystander. even after seeing garner held by the throat by police, even after hearing garner cry i can t breathe 11 times, the grand jury still declined to issue an indictment. are body cameras the policy response we need to improve law enforce n this country? joining me to answer that question, baltimore mayor stephanie rollins blake, who spores body cameras but vetoed a city council bill on several concerns, including privacy and with us is former police officer and prosecutor eugene o donnell, professor at john jay college of criminal justice. mare blake, i will start with you. here s what i m interested in. you support cod body cameras and vetoed bill for technical reasons this week. i m curious, we talk in the big picture about body camera, how does this work, in terms of how often do the cameras have to be on? are they on 24/7? does the officer control who turns them on or off? does the public have access to, you know, can we get the recordings from officer charge. ? how will it work, practically speaking? and those are the reasons, those questions that you asked should have been asked by the council before they passed that bill. they have a bill that required the officers to wear the body cams, but they didn t even require that they turn them on. we have to be more thoughtful and thorough if we are going to get this right and we have to answer those questions. tough answer those questions because what happens if a camera is on and a woman calls for a domestic violence complaint? the officer responds, she is battered, she is bruised, what if that becomes public information? we have to deal with those privacy concerns. how would you, as the mare, see it work, practically speaking? well, what i want to do is what we are doing, we have a work group with the aclu, we have lawyers, we have community members, we have law enforcement people that are all looking at these issues and working together to come out with something that works for baltimore. this isn t a cookie cutter approach. this san approach that i believe needs to be led and included the community needs to be included to make sure we get it right, that s what i m doing and looking forward to getting that report next month so we can do the implementation and make sure it works. so, eugene, obviously, law enforcement background, this is now happening in new york city happening elsewhere, what is the reaction of the average cop being told you are wearing a camera now, what do you think about that? i say we have to have an honest conversation about policing, they use force and it s never pretty and they are not automatically protected and they could become averse to involvement. we have a lot of police departments in the country that are basically employment agencies, the cops drive around, they get there late, they don t engage, struggle on 8th street, slow on 10th street. i have serious doubts whether this will be beneficial, keep our equilibrium, issues about brutality, acknowledge cities in the country, minority communities, the communities asking for police to engage not disengage, very concerned about this looks like mayor walsh in boston also has concerns whether this is going to make cops take steps back. you re saying the cop may be pauses, maybe thinks twice, maybe says, it s not necessarily we talk about these dramatic and horrible situations that make the news, but it s more every day stuff that people might might be able to quibble with and say that s little over the line or a little tough, whatever, it is really every day policing? i have to say bluntly, i see some real class issues here in terms of the expectation, the cops are unwise enough to get theseselves into these situations, they don t have, again, automatic protection, every time they engage somebody, they could be indicted that makes their job unique and the idea that we are going to look at a video, ex post facto, when they are in these sometimes life and death situations and say for eight seconds, it was okay, the ninth second was not okay, i think we have to take a step become on that and have a police industrial complex, tasers, tasers selling cameras and they are pushing this stuff. tasers may make the police more violent. no the sure about that. so we have to have some real, honest conversations, probably not a great time to have a full-scale conversation about this. well, mayor, i m curious, just listening to what eugene just said, curious what your response is. i think eugene makes a good point, i think in far too many places around the country, there s a knee jerk reaction, get cameras on police as soon as possible without asking the tough questions and without understanding that this is not a body cameras respect going to solve all of our problems and the eric garner case, there was tape and the community is still concern and the family is still upset and we have protests all throughout the country, not because the camera there wasn t footage of it, but because of the outcome, it s clear that we need a holistic approach, including work that like we are doing in baltimore. i asked the department of justice to come in to help us with our community policing efforts, we have to do better with training. it s clear that cameras are one thing, but it has to include the types of training and the types of engagement that rebuilds the trust that the community and the police need to have with each other. you know, it s important, the people are saying all around the country, when you see these protesters saying something very loud and clear, is do you hear me? do you see me? do i matter? and with proper community policing, that s when we get that right, that we can show the community, yes, they do matter and yes, you know this is a partnership, a true partnership. all right, baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake, former prosecutor, eugene o donnell, thanks for joining us this morning. thanks a lot. senator bernie sanders, our interview with him. and up next, the president s weekend doesn t go exactly as planned. interesting detail there is on the other side of the break. and the legion of super fans. wow! 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mary landrieu came in with 42%, in the mons since then, stayed right there climbed a point or two, what happened was there was another republican candidate in that jungle primary and basically, all those votes went to bill cassidy and that s the story of it. mary landrieu loses by 12 points. again, we can see inside the numbers here exactly how this happened. there was no exit poll last night, we can t break this down too exactly. i think we have a pretty good scene what is going on here, look back to 2008, the last time mary landrieu was re-elected, 52% of the vote, got re-elected in 2008. if you look at the white vote in louisiana, these are voters will once, a generation ago two generations ago, all democratic, steadily moving to the republican party in 2008, mary landrieu was still able to get 33% of them. in the jingle primary a month ago when she just got 42%, look at that, she only got 18% of the white vote. looks like she is stuck around that number. again, we don t have actual exit polls from last night, my guess would be she is at or below 20%. when you are a democrat, when you are in the south, when you are at or below 20% of the white vote, you are not going to be winning anymore. that is why we are saying this is a story about mary landrieu, about louisiana, this is a much bigger story about the south and about the evolution of american politics, really over the last 50 years. and what i mean by that is let s look back 50 years ago, 1964, this is the south in 1964. these are the states of the old confedera confederacy, senate representation from those state, every states blue, two democratic senators, they all had two democratic senators, texas had one republican, john tower, the other democrat, a total in the south 50 years ago of 21 democratic senators and just one republican. that s how dominant the democratic party was in the south, the democratic party in the south was defined by conservative whites back then, many african-americans couldn t even vote in the south in 1964. you had the civil rights revolution, the voting rights act, demographics changed in the south. look at this now. 50 years later, after last night, accounting for louisiana now electing another republican senator this is what the south now looks like. you have two democratic senators from virginia. and virginia is a state that demographically is becoming more and more northern, a lot of people from the north moving in. that s one of the reasons it s become so blue and florida, you have a democratic senator, again, florida, another state where the demographics have been changed by northerners moving down, beyond that you don t have a single democratic senator left in the entire south. now louisiana is all republican after last night for the first time since reconstruction, a total of 19 republicans in the south, just three democrats, mary landrieu was the last deep south democrat left in the senate. so it s basically a complete flip from where this country was 50 years ago. that s the bigger story about what happened last night. one other thing we want to note in louisiana, i would be remiss if i did not mention there was a runoff for a congressional seat, you see here edwin edwards, the democrat, losing, not surprising he lost by this much, very republican district but edwin edwards, if you know this name, a throwback politician, think of the days like huey long, the rogue politician, he was the governor of this state, of the state of louisiana four different times, did he time in federal prison. he ran, in fact in 1991, he ran for governor, famous race, his opponent was david duke, the former klan leader, the bumper sticker for edwin edwards says vote fort crook, it s important and he won that race easily. get out of jail a few years ago, 87 years old, figured what do i do with my life, hey, i m in politics run for office. he ran in this election, nobody expected him to win but looks like this might be the end of the line for the political career of edwin edwards. funny story, he was asked last night what are your plans now after you have lost? i m going who emto get some sleep? what are you going to do after that? well, i will wake up and i will have breakfast. so, edwin edwards, very colorful career, looks like it might have come to an end last night, that is the story from louisiana. and up next, that interview we have been talking about all morning with bernie sanders, talk to him about maybe running for president. that s next. right now, you can get a single line with 3 gigs for $65 a month. 3 gigs . is that a lot? that s about.100 app downloads, 45 hours of streaming music, and 6 hours of video playing. 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the answer is yes. i think if the president remains strong and if we can rally the american people to demand the congress start working on the disappearing middle class and the growing gap between the rich and the poor, i think we can implement some important policies. right now the fastest way to create the millions of jobs we desperately need is by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, our roads, bridges, water systems, rail, et cetera. if we invested $1 trillion over a period of years, we can create 13 million jobs. you know why i m sorry, senator, do you think that level of investment, given everything we have seen from the republican republican house over the last four years, do you think that level of investment or anything approaching it is realistic to come out of the republican congress? well, you re right. i don t think we will get as much as i want or as much as we need. on the other hand, you have conservatives like jim iminoff of the public works committee who does believe in infrastructure as well as other republican senators and members of the house. so i do hope with the president s support that we can begin substantially investing in infrastructure and creating jobs. other area, i think the minimum wage at $7.25 an hour is a starvation wage. i think it has to be raised over a period of time to $15 an hour. but you have people like mitt romney and other republicans talking about raising the minimum wage. you have four conservative states in the last election voting to raise the minimum wage. do i think the republicans are smart enough to know this is an issue they can move on? i do, and i hope we can make progress there as well. as i said, it s something people can look at and say, bernie sanders is exploring a bid for president, a platform to run for president, one of the things people look at is hillary clinton is the big front-runner, everybody acknowledges that on the democratic side right now. when you look at the principle that is you laid out here, the 12 steps you laid out here, realistically, do you believe hillary clinton is in line with you on them or are there differences you see with her potentially? my suggestion is to ask hillary clinton about her views on this. i can t speak for hillary clinton. what i do know is virtually every one of the issues, infrastructure, raising the minimum wage, paid equity, transforming the energy system, demanding and passing legislation, to ask the wealthiest people in the largest corporations of this country to start paying their fair share of taxes. you know what? these are very popular issues that go across the political spectrum. the american people know there s something wrong when the middle class is disappearing and 95% of all new income today goes to the top 1%. so that is an important set of principles that any serious candidate should run on. yeah, and i guess what i wonder about is when i listen to democrats, and this includes hillary clinton, she hasn t said too much specifically, that s sort of by design the last few months, but when i listen to her speak in broad terms of principle, i hear what you just said. pay equity, closing the gap between rich and poor in this country, eliminating economic inequality. i hear that from her and every big name democrat out there. it seems on the core principles, i don t hear much difference between you and most other democrats in washington. so where are the differences that would encourage you to run for president? really? i have spent my entire political career taking on every special interest. that s one thing for somebody to talk about, well, we have to expand the middle class, we have to create jobs, everybody says that. including republicans. i think what you have to look at with the specifics of the program that people are outlining, i will be outlining a very specific program within the next few months. senator, that s what i m asking you there, in terms of when you get beyond the broad strokes rhetoric here, i agree with you, you hear that from everybody, so when you look at the democratic party and the leaders of the democratic party, where are they falling short specifically? well, we need, for example, we are losing $100 billion every single year because corporations are stashing their money, their profits in the caymen islands and bermuda. i m going to bring forward and have brought forward legislation to end that absurd practice. i happen to believe that the united states should not be the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care to all people to a national health care program. i support a single pay and national health care program. i happen to believe that our current trade policies, nafta, permanent normal trade relations with china are a disaster which have lost us millions of jobs and going abroad to countries. i want to change fundamentally trade policies so companies reinvest in america, not china. are those the issues you hear from a lot of folks? if you do go ahead and run in the democratic primaries, you have to change your party registration to become a democrat. that s something you have not been throughout your political career are. you comfortable potentially making that step? well, that s an issue i m talking, a, i don t know if i m going to run or not. look, steve, if you run a campaign based on the principles i believe in, which is ultimately we don t make change in this country unless we take on the billionaire class, which now has so much economic and political power. in order to do that, you need to run an unprecedented grassroots campaign. are there millions of people who are prepared to stand up and work really, really hard? getting involved in that kind of campaign. you know what? you don t know that, i don t know that. i have to determine that before i make a decision. what you re asking me is i m the longest serving end pindependen the united states congress. if i do pursue the campaign, can i do it in the structural of the democratic party or outside the party? that s a difficult question. i m also trying to get some understanding of where people are coming on that. there are positives and negatives of either approach. and where at this point in terms of your decision, do you have a sense of when you ll have a decision made? i ll make it at the appropriate time. i think people in this country are not necessarily sympathetic to never-ending campaigns. so i think we have some time to do it. on the other hand, obviously, there s a point if you re going to go forward where you have to make a decision. senator bernie sanders, independent, at least for now from vermont. appreciate you taking the time this morning. appreciate that. thank you, steve. all right. bernie sanders, we ll keep an eye out on what he does. we have a few extra seconds at the end of the show, so i want to give a shout-out to a team you have never heard of. the new jersey institute of technology. the hilanders, the only independent team in all of college that went to the university of michigan yesterday. it was their first time ever playing a ranked team. just recently they had a 5 51-losing streak and yesterday they won. congratulations to the hilanders. thank you for joining us this weekend. we ll be back next sunday at 8:00 a.m. coming up next is melissa harris-perry. we ll see you next week on up. mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go, here we go. fifty omaha set hut losing feeling in my toes nothing beats that new car smell chicken parm you taste so good nationwide is on your side mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm goodnight. goodnight. for those kept awake by pain. the night is anything but good. introducing new aleve pm. the first to combine a safe sleep aid. plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last until the am. now you can have a good night and a. good morning! new aleve pm. for a better am. for most people, earning cash back ends here, at the purchase. but there s a new card in town. introducing the citi® double cash card. it lets you earn cash back when you buy and again as you pay. that s cash back twice. it s cash back with a side of cash back. the citi double cash card. the only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay . with two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided. americans drink 48 billion that s enough plastic bottles to stretch around the earth 230 times. each brita filter can replace 300 of those. clean. clear. brita water. nothing is better. ring ring! .progresso! you soup people have my kids loving vegetables. well vegetables. shh! taste better in our savory broth. vegetables!? 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a monster? highlighting a generational divide. those that spanked in the past saying it s fine for the present. i love this because i used to beat you with us. experts say that tradition may not be the best way to teach your kids a lesson. discipline approaches should be around giving kids practice building skills, giving them practice doing things the right way. a funny take. i told you to spank him, not crush his spirit. on a serious issue. crushing his spirit. that s an important point. his and her own. i got whoopings often growing up and you know what is there a statute of limitations. that explains a lot. i turned out all right. really? apparently i could have my parents arrested. you know that child abuse hotline? i threatened my mom a few times. did you get spankings? no, i did not. now that explains a lot. two different parentings. coming up the latest exercise craze. working out on a trampoline. is this effective or just a gimmick? it looks like fun to me. let s check it out in our try day friday. and intense moments caught on tape. bikers racing off with highway police. it s happening more often. police. it s happening more often. we ll take a look at an alarming (boys screaming) totino s pizza rolls. ready so fast, it s scary! old el paso frozen entrees. in freezers near you the latest exercise cra the latest exercise craze you ll always hear about the new and creative ways people are trying to stay in shape. this one seems like more than just a trend. yeah it s called jump life and workouts all take place on trampolines. abc s life style and travel editor shows us how it s done on this try day friday. reporter: workout warriors looking for a high energy fast paced routine to help them reach their fitness goals, look no further. it s time to take a leap of faith on this latest fitness craze, literally. here we go. reporter: what has these fitness fanatics jumping for joy? the fun. people leave with smiles on their face because not only do they workout but they also like it. reporter: i didn t want to jump to conclusions so i went to jump life gym in manhattan to check it out. i m thinking this is going to be like jane fonda goes clubbing on a backyard trampoline. that s what i get. you can lose like 600 calories depending on your height and weight and the intensity you take the class too. reporter: and this major workout is even safe for people that have been injured. it s low impact so knee problems, back problems, they find it a very possible way of working out and getting their fitness in. reporter: and people all over the world are jumping on this workout craze. everywhere it is starting now. great energy. good vibes. great music and it s just a fun workout. reporter: abc news new york. what are you complaining about? it looks like fun. no, i was trying to see if we have how many calories you can burn. how intense it needs to be for you to get real impact. did you know that trampolining is really an olympic sport? 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up and combine two things bad for you, donuts and cheeseburgers. a doughnut burger out of philadelphia. they have a lot of different varieties of burgers. i m trying to get the caloric intake on that one. yeah. politics and foreign wars that s the world news poka it s late at night you re wide awake and you re not wearing pants so grab your world news now mug everybody dance have some fun every guy and gal do the world news polka everybody that s the world news polka insomniacs only who cares what they think they re a goofy crew and if your neighbors call the cops here s all you have to do when they yell tell them it s news to me that s the world news polka they make us work the graveyard shift that s why we go for broke so why not tune in abc and join our joke 5 whole days every week we re here with a tongue and cheek and the world news polka it s the world news polka this morning on world news now ebola infection. a new york doctor who treated patients in africa gets sick. the big questions this morning about his condition and if the this morning on world news now ebola infection. a new york doctor who treated patients in africa gets sick. the big questions this morning about his condition and if the virus was spread in the city. extreme weather from a rare tornado in the pacific northwest to powerful winds and downpours in the midwest. it s mother nature s october fury. fearless bikers. defiance on the highway after cops try to stop cyclists on a wild ride. what to do if you get swarmed by motorcycles in your car you re beautiful you re beautiful it s true sorry song. james blount and his hit single. he s apologizing saying the song is anything but beautiful. that s in the skinny on this friday, october 24th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now. tell them what i really like that song. still to this day? yeah, i think it is a nice song. he s even saying it s not a good song. well, maybe he ll change his mind after we again? discuss it later. hello. i m t.j. holmes alongside reena ninan. the big story, this just broke just a few hours ago here in new york. now has a lot of folks concerned. we re going to kick off this half hour. the latest on the ebola case. the doctor in new york city testing positive for the deadly virus after returning from west africa. a 33-year-old doctor treating ebola patients in guinea. one of the countries devastated by the disease. he is now in isolation at a manhattan hospital. his girlfriend quarantined. the doctor rode the subway, took a car service here in new york just the night before he fell ill. linsey davis has more on how this all unfolded. reporter: inside this ambulance rushing to bellevue hospital, 33-year-old craig spencer. a doctors without borders physician suffering from a fever and gastrointestinal symptoms. a confirmed case of ebola right in the heart of new york city. i know it s a frightening situation, but the more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is. reporter: dr. spencer had been in guinea, one of three hot zone countries. last thursday he flew home connecting through brussels before arriving at jfk airport. he d been monitoring his temperature and reported his fever. police officers in masks, neighbors anxious. a local councilman trying to calm fears. frankly, people in the neighborhood are scared, and some of them are panicked. i had one gentleman who wouldn t even shake my hand because he was scared. reporter: the health department says a team of disease detectives immediately began to actively trace all of the patient s contacts to identify anyone who may be at potential risk. the patient is now in isolation. the health department has a team of disease detectives who have been at work tracing all of the patient s contacts and we are prepared to quarantine contacts as necessary. reporter: in recent days, bellevue hospital has been holding drills in case a possible ebola patient comes through their door. those plans going into motion. reporter: it took only a few hours to determine that spencer did, indeed, test positive for ebola. linsey davis, abc news, new york. this is what we know about dr. spencer s past few days. he left guinea october 14th, stopped in brussels before arriving in new york on the 17th. he sticks to guidelines checking his temperature twice a day. this past tuesday he feels tired. wednesday, spencer takes the subway to brooklyn to a bowling alley and hops in a cab back home. he notifies authorities yesterday morning when he comes down with a 103 fever n also has diarrhea. at some point he also went for a three-mile jog, but health officials say there s no reason for alarm. you should stay with us here at abc news as we cover the latest ebola infection. look for more live updates in our next half hour and on america this morning. we know more about the man who stormed canada s parliament building. he was a loner who had drug problems, criminal record and converted to islam. abc s karen travers reports authorities still want to know much more about him. reporter: this dramatic video shows bystanders scrambling as michael zehaf-bibeau races toward canada s parliament. this picture authentic but from an unknown source shows him up close with that weapon. police say zehaf-bibeau came to ottawa earlier this month to get a passport. his mother saying her son wanted to travel to syria. this rampage may have been a result of him not getting that travel document. i think the passport figured prominently in his motives and i m not inside his head, but i think it was central to what was driving him. reporter: canadian authorities said they have 93 citizens under investigation or surveillance as possible terrorists. zehaf-bibeau may have had extremist views, but he was not on that watch list. had we have known that he wanted to travel to syria, then he certainly would have been. reporter: abc news learned zehaf-bibeau crossed into the u.s. on four separate occasions. canadian and u.s. officials are trying to retrace his steps to figure out where he went and who he may have met with. concerns are growing in canada and in the u.s. about homegrown terrorists who may be trying to join isis in syria or iraq. canadian officials say they still have a lot to learn about how and why michael zehaf-bibeau turned to radicalism. karen, thank you. three people are dead after a midair collision in maryland between a helicopter and private plane. all three fatalities were aboard the helicopter which was on a training flight. the two men on the plane were injured but have already been released from the hospital. they were able to deploy a parachute which lessened the plane s impact on the ground. the helicopter hit a storage facility as it came down. a powerful storm system moving through washington state yesterday spawned a tornado. it was caught on video in longview, washington. meteorologists measured it at an ef-1. it carved a path of destruction other yards wide and a mile long. luckily caused no reported injuries. on the east coast, a powerful nor easter slammed much of new england leaving its own path of destruction. abc s rob marciano was in the heart of the storm zone just outside boston and has the latest. reporter: with howling winds near hurricane strength and nearly a half a foot of rain, the northeast is getting lashed by a nor easter. conditions in peabody, massachusetts, so severe schools canceled. drivers in high water. this man had to be carried out to safety by firefighters. along the coast, boats run aground, crashing waves up to 18 feet high. dangerously close to homes. across the northeast, a tangled mess of downed trees, crushed cars and debris. thick trunk trees snapped clean in half. in connecticut, downed power lines sparking this gas fire. we periodically go and monitor it to make sure the heat from the fire isn t spreading to the home. reporter: wind and rain so severe drivers abandoned their cars. this won t be the strongest storm new englanders see this winter, but certainly a large one and slow mover. it s done its damage as far as beach erosion already. it will move out through the day an friday but not before taking some of this coastline with it. rob marciano, abc news, massachusetts. wow. that was an interesting tag there. rob is the best out in the field. worked with him for a long time. he s fantastic out there. good to see him out there. now here s a look at today s weather. the nor easter is blowing out to sea lingering behind showers across new england. heavy rain in the pacific northwest and up to six inches. cool across much of the northern half of the country. 50s and 60s. but dry conditions in the midwest. 70s and 80s. 96 degrees for phoenix. a lava flow on the move threatening thousands of residents on the big island of hawaii. the flow is less than a mile away from the town of pahoa. it s only a matter of time before residents there are forced to evacuate. they hope to give them at least three days notice. that s scary stuff. it devoured 130 acres of terrain by thursday afternoon. unstoppable, huh? what do you do? you just have to get out of the way. probably just a matter of time. hopefully everybody will be all right. our friends out in hawaii. some of the big island residents are used to it. it began in 1983. i guess this is something they know comes with paradise. comes with paradise, right? we ve got a sight out of idaho coming up. a captivating sight here. as seen from high above, it s a bird s-eye view of the corn maze at the farmstead in meridian. this year it s carved out of the wizard of oz theme. emerald city, dorothy. planning the maze takes about a year. there s no place like home, though. if i could click my heels right now. you say that every morning. coming up in the skinny, hollywood a-lister who is selling lingerie but, of all places, at target. a big scare on the highway. motorcyclist who defy police and frighten other drivers. important safety advice on 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intense moments from the highway. a video you re about to see intense moments from the highway. a video you re about to see looks like a face-off between patrol officers and the bikers who suddenly surround them. seems to be happening more and more as bikers continually try to one up each other. brandi hitt has the story. reporter: watch as a swarm of motorcycle riders takes over this northern california highway speeding past a minivan, popping wheelies, then look on the right. a california highway patrol officer, his siren on, tries to pull over the leader. but the riders taunt him, waving at him to go away. that officer eventually forced to pull over and call for backup. they can t expect that just because they re skilled at doing this type of riding they ll not have an incident. reporter: it s not the first time we ve seen this type of biker swarm. just this week, 100 riders taking over the streets of philadelphia. and in new york last year, nine bikers charged after chasing down an suv and beating the driver in front of his family. the highway patrol tells us if you find yourself surrounded and feel unsafe, don t engage. instead, stay at a safe speed or pull over. if you feel really threatened, you can always call 911. california police combing through this video for clues. trying to identify these reckless riders who could now face criminal charges. brandi hitt, abc news, los angeles. some of these cops have stopped going after motorcyclists because they can maneuver around easily. a little faster. sometimes it hurts innocent bystanders in the chase. that s a good way to go. you aren t going after guys that are hard core criminals. yes they might be doing something wrong but it looks soy irresponsible. a lot of people love it because it does look cool. it looks dangerous. these guys are skilled. but, geez, guys. we ve got the skinny coming your way. a song you love, somebody is actually apologizing for even making the song that made him famous. i m sorry to hear that. and halle berry s foray into the lingerie world. you don t want to miss that next on world news now. announcer: world news now continues after this from our abc stations. because it is. we may not recognize it from this. this is not what you remember him looking like when the song was a hit. you re beautiful was huge and put him on the map. it was in 2005. there was fallout from it being overplayed. let s play it one more time for giggles. you re beautiful you re beautiful you re beautiful it s true you remember the song? even the video here was a little annoying. standing in the snow disrobing. he s giving everything to this beautiful woman that he saw in a crowded space. that s why the song was huge but he is now saying it was a problem for his career because some of the even the record company pigeon holed him into this thing marketing towards women. then you re shutting out 50% of your possible fan base. it did well and the song still sticks. marketing also painted him to be an insanely serious person, although he considers himself anything but. blunt has a new album out and hopes it will spawn a single half as successful as you re beautiful. don t be ashamed, james. milk it for as long as it s worth. you re welcome at this desk any time. joan rivers. news about her. her daughter melissa will be inheriting the bulk of her estate after her recent and sudden passing. it s no big surprise she d be the benefactor. but the amount is impressive. over $100 million. joan who had been performing just days before her death had amassed quite a fortune. $75 million just in cash. that will gall to melissa as well, including her $35 million condo on new york s upper east side. also melissa s son cooper will receive his own share of joan s estate. it s, of course, no consolation for losing their mother. we talk about all this money but they d much rather have joan back. halle berry back in the news for her latest business venture. no stranger to baring some skin. it s only fitting she ll launch her own lingerie label. the 48-year-old actress reviving a french luxury line named scandal. there s a twist. it s going to be sold at target. i love that. very affordable price range of $7 to $18. after searching its history, researching it, she decided to relaunch it. scandal is expected to hit target next week. fans of the web series between two ferns got their first episode since last high-profile guest interview and that was president obama. it continued with a-listers. this time brad pitt. and bradley pitt, that s how they introduced him. lots of signature and awkward moments including the two playing chicken with their chewing gum. also a brief intermission from louie c.k. who did a stand-up set that didn t go over well. also not going over well was this question. tell me what it was like the first time you laid eyes on angelina. was it like one of those classical love stories like when i don t know, when ross first saw rachel? you know that show friends. have you seen that? i ll be there for you that is awesome. you might recall pitt used to be married to rachel from friends. jennifer aniston. and he played it off pretty well. i can t tell if the guests are just playing into it or some get uncomfortable and it gets awkward. come on. they knew it was coming. brad was having a good time. seemed like fun. you have to be a good sport to go on that show. you do. good job, brad. but this year, we ll fight back at the first sign of sick. no more feeling coughy, mucusy.just.yucky. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. is this about me? am i the yucky? 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(awkwardly laughs) get out. enough s enough! d-con baits are fomulated to kill in one feeding. guaranteed. spots and residues. wow, what a difference! all right. friday. we made it. it s been a busy week keeping track of a lot of stuff, including developments with ebola, the fight against terrorism and a familiar face we haven t seen in a while. the blessed lady who covered madonna. it s all here in our friday rewind. there s a man with a rifle shooting at a bunch of people. so we you know, i yelled at all my guys. there s a guy shooting. so everyone, get down, get down. but let there be no misunderstanding. we will not be intimidated. canada will never be intimidated. after 21 days of being on that watch list, there s zero chance that any of those young men or that louise carries the ebola virus. thousands of hours have been spent in an effort to find him. we think perhaps today proved their worth. he had actually turned towards me and that s where you could see the mud on his face, what height he was based off the truck he was standing next to. could go back as far as 20 years based on some statements we have. his level of cooperation and the things he s told us would indicate possibly other victims could surface. when you van air bag that s designed to protect you that can explode into shrapnel and kill you, this is an extreme situation. he honored women s features. he honored our bodies. he wasn t afraid to pull back and let the woman be the star of the look. i was just lucky to get to wear his designs. i fell in love with my boss in a 22-year-old sort of way. it happens. but my boss was the president of the united states. like a virgin touched for the very first time you know, there was an editorial by a conservative bishops and in it they said that nun, not even the americans of sister act would have thought of such a reckless move. reckless? that s a strong word. that is strong. i love her. did you download her song yet? not yet. i will after that comment. hope you liked our look back at the week. a whole lot more where that came from. and log on to our facebook fan page, wnnfans.com. announcer: this is abc s world news now, informing insomniacs for two decades. good morning. i m reena ninan. hello. i m olmes. good morning. i m reena ninan. hello. i m t.j. holmes. here are some of the top headlines on world news now. ebola has come to new york city. a doctor just back from treating patients in west africa is now in isolation. his manhattan apartment cordoned off. he took subways, went bowling but authorities are telling new yorkers there s no need for alarm. we have live coverage ahead. the nypd is investigating a potential terror attack on a group of officers. a man reported to be a former navy sailor wielding a hatchet wounded two officers, one of them critically before he was killed in a hail of gunfire. hazing forced a pennsylvania high school football team to cancel the season with just two games left to play. an investigation fond freshmen were forced to perform humiliating acts. the coaching staff suspended. peyton manning threw three touchdown passes as the denver broncos blew past the san diego chargers, 35-21 last night. it was denver s second decisive win in five days for a 6-1 record. those some are of our top stories on this friday, october 24th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now. let s start with the latest american to test positive for ebola. a new york city doctor in isolation as we speak. the doctor had been treating ebola patients in the west african nation of guinea mean was out and about in new york before his temperature spiked yesterday morning. lana zak joins us with the latest. reporter: good morning. this morning the disease detectives have identified four close contacts they ll be actively monitoring while the bowling alley is being completely scrubbed. they are taking no chances. here in new york, the words no one wanted to hear. today testing confirmed that a patient here in new york city had tested positive for ebola. reporter: inside bellevue hospital, 33-year-old dr. craig spencer who had been in guinea fighting ebola for doctors without borders. he returned to new york via brussels last week. early thursday, his temperature hit 103 degrees. one of the first signs of ebola. emts in protective gear rushed him to bellevue hospital which had spent recent weeks holding drills, preparing for the possibility of ebola striking america s largest city. is this a worst case scenario, ebola in new york? it s really not. new york city has one of the best health departmhe couy so d t couy so d t reporter: though many in the city are on edge, the governor wants to reassure the pu that it s here in new it s more frightening. new york is a dense place. a lot of people o but the more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is. reporter: even though we now know that spencer took several subway trips, we re being told not to panic about that. it is extremely unlikely he could have transmitted ebola to anybody else on those trains. any sort of transmission from a dry surface to a person has never been found. reena, t.j.? lana, how is new york better prepared for this than, let s say, dallas. reporter: new york being an international city was also preparing itself for this possibility. so it has been training all of its doctors, its health personnel, as well as its first responders. and they believe they have put very strong protocols in place, including eight different hospitals throughout the state that were ready to accept any abc s lana zak for us this morning. has a lot of people concerned. a lot of anxiety. like the governor said, the more you know, just get thatio there and we shall s r as dallas nurse nina pham continues to recover from ebola, her things for her are looking up for her beloved dog. a new k is spending his days in quarantine. the playful 1-year-old spaniel has been enjoying play time with vets in hazmat suits three times a day. so far he s tested negative ebola. the ebola epidemic is keeping west africans in this country. reverend amel sampeel and his family were supposed to return to liberia two months ago after a conference in virginia. then airlines began cnce flights wes flights wes onier to is o and now there sress to suspend tsto still a lot of questions about that gunman who stormed parliament this week. michael zehaf-bibeau had a troubled past. converted to islam recently. wanted to go to syria. still unknown why he shot and killed a soldier standing guard at a war memorial in canada or why he went to the parliament building. dramatic video shows that attack on the seat of the canadian government and the act of heroism that ended it from start to finish it took all of about 90 seconds. we ll get more from abc s dan harris. reporter: this is the moment the attack on parliament begins. the new video shows the suspect leaving his car and sprinting toward the parliament building. fd nninthe parliament building. leaving his car and sprinting fd nninthe parliament building. is r, dpi and this is what happens next. gunfire echoing off the ornate historic walls of parliament. the bullet holes were visible everywhere. amidst the chaos, prime minister stephen harper quickly whisked away. but in a small room nearby, this member of parliament was trapped with her 2-month-old baby. were you terrified? of course. i thought how can i make sure the baby is not yelling and crying. reporter: he was saved by this man. the parliament sergeant at arms kevin vickers who shot and killed michael zehaf-bibeau. look at this video of vickers in the moments afterwards, gun still in hand seemingly completely calm. on the floor of parliament, he received a standing ovation. and there was also a moment of silence for corporal nathan cirillo, a reservist, father and dog lover who was shot and killed while guarding the national war memorial moments before the gunman attacked parliament. and one more emotional moment to tell you about. the prime minister of canada taking to the floor of parliament and vowing that this country will never be intimidated by terrorists. he received a standing ovation. dan harris, abc news, ottawa, canada. three men aboard a helicopter are dead after it collided in midair with a private plane. the plane on a flight from cleveland was able to deploy a parachute to soften its fall into trees. the helicopter came straight don between two storage units. its passengers had no chance. the cause of the accident still under investigation. longview, washington, cleaning up the damage this morning left behind by a tornado. the twister with winds of up to 110 miles an hour carved a path of destruction 50 miles wide and a mile long. it uprooted trees and damaged homes. no injuries to report. on the east coast, a nor easter slammed much of new england. the storm dumped nearly a foot of rain while near hurricane strength winds generated waves along the coast up to 18 feet high. it left a tangled mess of trees, crushed cars. now a look at today s weather. the nor easter blowing out to sea leaving behind lingering rain showers across new england. the pacific northwest will see up to six inches of rain. and a stalled tropical storm system will bring downpours to south florida. 50s and 60s across much of the northern half of the country. dry conditions prevail across the midwest. 70s and 80s. off the course of north carolina, this is the party you want to go to. a great beach party, right? sharks. feeding frenzy of sharks converged on the cape lookout national seashore. new footage of that frenzy happened earlier this month. see all that? they were feeding on birds up against the shoreline. the man who shot the video said he wasn t frightened at all. incredible to watch. if that doesn t scare you, this next story should. might want to look away. i haven t seen this video yet. spiders. they were celebrating spiders, the arrival of fall with tarantulas. there s a festival north of fresno, california. 17th annual festival they are having out there. it kicks off this saturday. they are celebrating tarantulas. they bite, too, don t they? you know what, most of them cannot harm you. they look scary. i learned this in some survival training i got. the overwhelming majority of tarantulas can actually do no harm. it features a tarantula race, pumpkin carving and pizza eating contest if your stomach isn t too squeamish. they have festivals for everything out in california. there s a garlic festival. they got everything. coming up in insomniac theater, keanu reeves dodging bullets. and also a coming of age movie. the reviews just in. also safety on the football field. protecting athletes with better helmets. we ll show you how they hold up. there s a week for apple cider. it s apple cider week across the country. we re in for a sweet celebration here on world news now. announcer: world news now weather brought to you by nice & easy hair color. s? 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that s their claim. reporter: the verdict five stars for all three helmets tested. virginia tech finding riddell s new flex design reducing head acceleration better than any helmet they ve ever tested. we want parents to learn that getting out of the old helmets into the new better helmets will reduce your risk. reporter: virginia tech hopes it makes football a much safer sport. jim avila, abc news, blacksburg, virginia. we love our football, but my goodness, the pounding these bodies and brains take. we re learning more and more about it. scary stuff. good to see. concussions, head injuries, side effects. i get nervous when my kid gets that age about actually letting him he ll want to play football. even soccer. concussions for girls who play soccer. it s a big deal. a lot of moms and parents are going that direction. dads, too, that don t want them to go that direction. i m hoping he s going to be a bookworm. he can be a bookworm that plays basketball. or tennis. or golf. cricket. whatever.5!hp how about apples now. he can be apple pickers. coming up, apples. how awesome they are. besides being a healthy fruit, they are a truly american fruit. we have some facts about apples. even how you can catch a buzz from them. now you ve got my attention. you re watching world news now. is a top of the weekend to-do list. thousands of families venture into the orchards. today starts national cider week. it s one of my favorites and one of the many benefits of apples. there s plenty more you may not know about apples. reporter: apples. there s more to them than meets the eye. with more than 70 million tons produced worldwide, it s one of the most valuable fruits here in the u.s. and they don t just keep the doctor away. they keep that waistline down. a new study published by science direct says apples promotes a friendly gut bacteria which stabilizes the metabolism and makes you feel full. it may stimulate the right microflora in your system that actually help you to stay thin. reporter: apple connoisseur and author of apples of uncommon character jacobson says apples are coming back in a big way. kind of a second golden age of the apple. people are paying more attention to where their food is coming from and they are looking for interesting character in their food. reporter: jacobson has profiled some 123 apple heirlooms. we re seeing apples better than we ve seen in decades. introducing new johnny appleseed hard apple cider. in the 1700s your best bet for getting drunk was apples. and we re kind of rediscovering that purpose of apples. reporter: speaking of rediscovering, we re at the farm house in new york city where we re going to learn how to make apple cider. come on. let s go. it s a little hard to walk. i don t recommend coming in heels. hi. the 200-year-old farmhouse gave a glimpse into what life is like. it s hard to think about manhattan and farming. those two things don t need to go together but that would have been the way of life for quite a few people. reporter: new york was the premier producer of cider. their cider press would have been over there. miles and miles of orchards here. manhattan was occupied by the british staying in military huts like these. what we re doing here is crushing the apple. reporter: we re just in time for their annual apple pressing. i m making apple cider. that is some good apple juice. every year fall rolls around and you have your apple traditions. it s just a really nice touchstone. like the perfect little apple. helps give a rhythm to life. and a recent scientific study found that in addition to all those health benefits, apples are also an aphrodisiac. participants who consumed one or two apples a day had increased sexual satisfaction. they link the anti-oxidants to increased blood flow and you guys can put together the rest. who knew. they said it keeps the doctor away. is it only a certain time of year people think, it s apple cider time? just during the holidays? usually thanksgiving. my family is serving apple cider. cider is making a comeback, like the hard cider. people are brewing these at very high levels. everything from your dry cider, like a fine wine, to your more tart cider. something sweet. this is made from an apple called red field which is a very rare apple. these apples are coming from apples we haven t heard or seen in a long time. this isn t cheap. this is going to cost you some. i m sure your family will love you for it. besides a white or red. or beer. it s not your wine cooler 2014. so it s cute. thank you for this. you re right. we didn t when i first read the tease and they said you d learn something about apples, i was skeptical. i learned a lot about apples in this. coming up, we ll see what s hitting the theaters this weekend. stay tuned. does your carpet ever feel rough and dirty? don t avoid it. resolve it. our new formula with a special conditioning ingredient softens your carpet with every use. because it s resolve, you know it cleans and freshens, but now it also softens. so your carpet is always inviting. resolve. a carpet that welcomes you. cat, what i say goes, and i say go to bed. the weirdest part was she had an this nightgown that was practically see-through. variety says it s easy to be distracted. it s a complex take on how teens must break away from their parents. everyone appears to be frozen in time and evil lurks behind suburbia s respected facade. one that some are speculating could become a reeves plays a title character who comes out of retirement to get back at the gangsters who pretty much mess with the wrong dude. a lot of guns, casual violence and pretty much what you d expect in a movie about a hit man. hey, john. perkins? i thought i d let myself in. i noticed. he dodges bullets, does that in a lot of movies he s been in. reviews have actually been good for this. chris of entertainment weekly says it s one of the most excitingly visceral action flicks he s seen in ages. roger moore says keanu s best role in years is shockingly one that doesn t require a lot of talking. would you see either of them? i m going to go with the keanu reeves flick. you are a big keanu reeves fan? going to see a teenager in a coming of age thing is not my thing. that s the news for this half hour. follow us on facebook, wnnfans.com. facebook, wnnfans.com. this morning on world news now ebola is in new york. a doctor who treated patients in africa returns to the city and gets sick. it s here in new york. it s more frightening. the big question for public health investigators, did the doctor spread the virus? trail of terror. the gunman who stormed canada s capital in a deadly rampage. disturbing new details. he was the kind of person that people around him wouldn t feel too comfortable hanging around. his behavior before the shooting and visits to the u.s. later, parental debate. should moms and dads spank their children? it s an age-old question about punishment and why it s heated up again this week. it s friday, october 24th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now. good friday morning to you all. i m t.j. holmes. i m reena ninan. we begin with the newest ebola patient. ebola has made its way to new york city. a doctor in the city fresh from a trip to west africa where he was treating patients is now confirmed he s stricken with the virus. a federal ebola s.w.a.t. team was dispatched to manhattan. that doctor now in isolation as health officials scramble to retrace his steps. lana zak is joining us with the latest. reporter: good morning. many are concerned this young doctor went bowling, even rode on the new york public subways. the question now is, when did he become contagious? here in new york, the words no one wanted to hear. today, testing confirmed that a patient here in new york city had tested positive for ebola. reporter: inside bellevue hospital, 33-year-old dr. craig spencer who had been in guinea fighting ebola for doctors without borders. he returned to new york city via brussels last week. early thursday his temperature hit 103 degrees. one of the first signs of ebola. emts in protective gear rushed him to bellevue hospital which spent recent weeks holding drills, preparing for the possibility of ebola striking america s largest city. is this a worst case scenario, ebola in new york? it s really not. new york city has one of the best health departments in the country. so they are better prepared than i would think just about any place in the u.s. reporter: though many in the city are on edge, the governor wants to reassure the public. that it s here in new york, it s more frightening. new york is a dense place. a lot of people on top of each other, but the more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is. reporter: a team of disease detectives are now tracing all of spencer s possible contacts. and we know at least one of those contacts, his fiance, is now in quarantine in bellevue hospital. live in new york, lana zak, abc news. reena, t.j.? we know this is incredibly dense city. a lot of people in this city. a lot of concern. he was on planes, trains and automobiles. so what is the threat? what are the chances? that s the question everyone else has. what are the chances this man that was moving around so much could possibly have infected other people? the department of health identified four close contacts that they are actually actively watching. as far as the cab driver they ve been told me and his passengers are not at any risk of contracting ebola. i know the 4.3 million new yorkers who ride the subway every day are sure to be wondering whether or not they ve contracted ebola. i m told by all the experts that it s very, very unlikely that any of them have. all the experts feel like they ve really found this early and have been able to isolate him. how likely is this to spread to other cities besides new york? new york is in a unique position because it knows that it receives so many international travelers. they ve really been preparing for this sort of possibility. and they really think they ve managed to get it on time. of course, all the experts still say that it is very likely that the united states will continue to see other ebola cases but that they hopefully will be isolated and that those that those people can be isolated within these special hospitals to prevent an outbreak from occurring in the united states. thank you so much, lana zak reporting from new york. stay with abc news as we cover the latest ebola case. look for updates on abcnews.com and more live coverage on america this morning and good morning america. new video of the ottawa gunman running into parliament as bystanders raced for cover. he s already shot and killed a young canadian soldier at the war memorial and with guards firing at him he ran down a hall past rooms filled with members of parliament. one had her 2-month-old baby with her. i was terrified, of course. the first thing i thought when i was sitting is how can i make sure the baby is not yelling and crying? the attack was ended by parliament s sergeant at arms who shot and killed the intruder. seen moments after the shooting, canadian authorities say the gunman acted alone in both attacks. the gunman 32-year-old michael zehaf-bibeau was a loner, troubled and frequent run-ins with police. brian ross reports the gunman was apparently on a suicide mission. reporter: 15 years ago, michael bibeau was a chubby student at a catholic high school. he was shot dead, carrying out a one-man suicide mission. this picture, which is authentic but from an unknown source, shows he was armed with a small caliber winchester hunting rifle as he stormed parliament, apparently upset because he d not received a passport to head to syria. i think the passport figured prominently in his motives. reporter: bibeau s rise to jihad began after he left the catholic high school out of montreal in 1999. over the next ten years he was little more than one of life s losers, a petty criminal and drug user, often homeless. his conversion to islam led him to this mosque outside vancouver three years ago where he was remembered as troubled. he was the kind of person that people around him wouldn t feel too comfortable hanging around. reporter: even without a passport, he was able to cross the border into the u.s. four times. most recently last year at a time authorities say he d already become radicalized. bibeau s parents said they had not seen their son for five years until his mother had lunch with him last week. in a statement they said they are cry, not for their son but for the soldier their son killed. brian ross, abc news, new york. new york police say terrorism may have been the motive behind a grisly attack on a group of patrol officers in queens. a man wielding a hatchet attacked four police officers in the street wounding two of them. one critically before he was shot dead in a hail of gunfire by two other officers. a bystander was also shot and wounded. the attacker is identified as 32-year-old zale thompson who once served in the navy. the manhunt finally over for murder suspect led out of a maryland prison by mistake. rodriguez was captured near his home in baltimore just blocks from the murder scene. he was accidentally allowed to walk free a week ago while awaiting trial. corrections officials took two days to notice the error. they d confused his old case with the current more serious charges. another high school football season has been canceled because of hazing. school administrators say the hazing at central bucks high school near philadelphia occurred during the preseason. investigators describe the incidents as humiliating initiation rights. varsity and junior varsity coaches have also been suspended pending further investigation. the team had two games left on the schedule. the football season is ending early for a colorado high school football team. this time injuries and a lack of players are to blame. cheyenne mountain high school started with 41 varsity players but ended with just 12 healthy players. the school ended last week s game early and will forfeit the final two games of the season. we probably started with 30 less kids this year, so that i m sure contributed but never seen never been in the situation around a program or working with a program where we couldn t finish a season. the colorado springs team ends with one loss and one win, nine losses. it was shut out five times. now turning to those air bags that can explode in the front seat of your car. the japanese company that makes them sat the center of a preliminary investigation. the lawmakers want to expand that to some 30 million vehicles. the recall could become the largest in history. manufacturers could take years to replace all those air bags. investors seem to be losing patience with amazon. amazon s stock lost more than 10% of its value after the e-commerce giant announced its worst quarterly loss in 14 years. amazon has been responding loads of money on products and services and its kindle fire smartphone has been $170 million disappointment. wall street was expecting a much smaller loss. wall street did like the news that more than 100 sears and kmart stores will close and lay off thousands of workers, some before the holidays. sears disputes the report from a financial tracking service, although it didn t fully deny it. the struggling retailer will disclose details next month about how many stores will close and where. topping our health headlines, continuing our theme here of giving you news of why it s good to drink. raise your glass once again this weekend. it may help your memory. researchers found light drinking light drinking after the age of 60 okay. i missed that detail. i have to wait until 60? may help maintain cognitive health. it helps the hippocampus, the brain s memory muscle. two drinks a day for men, one for women. the kind of alcohol doesn t really matter. what was it yesterday? beer is good for you if you are trying to have a child? yes, procreate. and there you go. good for your memory as well. happening today in london, the auction of an extremely rare bottle of 100-year-old champagne. it s not just the age here that makes it so remarkable. this stuff is special because of where it was harvested. the champagne region in france back in 1914. the sweetest of summers that s yielded the sweetest of grapes. and how much is it? it s expected to fetch more than $6,000. really? maybe someone like you who lives in the fancy apartment that you talk about all the time. do you know my apartment right now is around the corner from bellevue where the ebola patient is? i kid you not. we have changed our opinion on your apartment now. coming up in the mix, combining your favorite ingredients from doughnut bacon cheeseburger to make one treat. you ll hate this actually. you ll need a workout to burn off those calories. how about a trampoline routine. the ups and downs later on world news now. announcer: world news now weather brought to you by united health care. we do? 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reporter: in many cases highlighting a generational divide. those who spanked in the past saying it s fine for the present. i love this because i used to beat you with it. reporter: experts say that tradition may not be the best way to teach your kids a lesson. our discipline approaches should be around giving kids practice building skills, giving them practice doing things the right way. reporter: a funny take i told you to spank him, not crush his spirit. reporter: on a serious issue. mara schiavocampo, abc news, new york. crushing his spirit. that s key. that s an important point. you know, to each his and her own. lord knows i got whoopings often growing up and, you know, is there a is there a statute of limitations? well, that explains a lot. i turned out all right. really? apparently i can have my parents arrested. in the 80s they d send us home with these buttons, the child abuse hot line. i threatened my mom a time or two i was going to call the number. did you get spankings? no. now that explains a lot. two different parenting tactics. coming up, the latest exercise craze. working out on a trampoline. is this effective or just a gimmick. either way you look at it, it looks like fun to me. it s our try-day friday. in our next half hour, some intense high-speed moments caught on tape. bikers facing off with highway police. it s happening more and more often. we take a look at an alarming trend. you re watching world news born from 1945 through 1965 have the highest rates of hepatitis c, but most don t know they re infected? people can live for decades without symptoms, but over time hepatitis c can cause serious health problems. if you were born during these years, the cdc now recommends that you get a blood test for hepatitis c. so talk to your doctor and find out if you have hepatitis c. it could save your life. know more. the latestxercis the latest exercise craze you ll always hear about the new and creative ways people are trying to stay in shape. this next one seems like more than just a trend. it s called jump life. the workouts take place on trampolines. abc s lifestyle and travel editor genevieve shaw brown shows us how it s done on this try-day friday. reporter: workout warriors looking for a high energy fast-paced routine to help them reach their fitness goal? look no further. it s time to take a leap of faith on this latest fitness craze. literally. what has these fitness fanatics jumping for joy? the fun. they say they re working out but having such a great time. people leave with smiles on their face because they feel like not only did they work out, they come out all sweaty but they also feel like a kid again. reporter: i didn t want to jump to conclusions, so i went to jump life gym in manhattan to check it out. i m thinking this will be like jane fonda goes clubbing on a backyard trampoline. and that s pretty much what i get. you can lose anywhere like up to 600 calories. depending on your height, weight, intensity you take the class to. reporter: this major workout even safe for people who have been injured. it s low impact. a lot of people who have existing injuries like knee problems, back problems, find it a very, very comfortable way of working out and getting their fitness in. reporter: and it turns out people all over the world are jumping on this workout craze. berlin and frankfurt and hamburg, everywhere it s starting now. great energy. great vibes. great music and it s just a fun workout. genevieve shaw brown, abc news, new york. what are you grumbling about? 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[ male announcer ] don t wait. call today to request your free decision guide and find the aarp medicare supplement plan to go the distance with you. go long. now it s time for the mix. i love it when women or men overcome such adversity that people never expect them to. meet 25-year-old amanda perla. a huge mets fan and wanted to be a cover model for this calendar that is all about mets fans. and, boy, did she do it. she was wheelchair bound after a serious accident seven years ago that broke her neck. a driver fell asleep. her mother said you should go for it. and she made it to the top 31. then it went to the voters and she got the top votes bringing in 4,000 of them. she chose march. march is her birthday. she is in the calendar for the mets fans. mets fan, huh? the seven line calendar is what it s called out there. mets fan. poor thing, though. she looks beautiful. she does look great. i haven t lived in new york long but at least i know that much. quickly, i know you don t like this story but i put this picture up. combine two things bad for you. doughnuts and cheeseburgers. have a doughnut burger. this is out of philadelphia. they have a lot of different varieties of burgers. i m trying to get the caloric intake on that one. whatever it is, i will take it. bring the tums. politics and foreign wars all the weather all the scores that s the world news polka tapes that roll in way too slow stuff you saw on koppel s show it s late at night you re wide awake and you re not wearing pants so grab your world news now mug and everybody dance have some fun be a pal every anchor guy and gal do the world news polka everybody. that s the world news polka insomniacs only. that s the world news polka who cares what the bosses think they re a goofy crew if your neighbors call the cops here s all you have to do when they yell it s half past three tell them it s news to me that s the world news polka they make us work the graveyard shift that s why we go for broke why not tune in abc and join our little joke five whole days every week we re here with tongue in cheek and the world news polka not lip-synced it s the world news da, da, da, da polka this morning on world news now ebola infection. a new yorktor wh this morning on world news now ebola infection. a new york doctor who treated patients in africa gets sick. the big questions this morning about his condition and if the virus was spread in the city. extreme weather from a rare tornado in the pacific northwest to powerful winds and downpours in the northeast. it s mother nature s october fury. fearless bikers. defiance on the highway after cops try to stop cyclists on a wild ride. what to do if you get swarmed by motorcycles in your car. you re beautiful you re beautiful it s true sorry song. james blunt and his hit single. he s apologizing saying the song is anything but beautiful. that s in the skinny on this friday, october 24th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now. tell them what i really like that song. you really like that? still to this day? yeah, i think it is a nice song. he s even saying it s not a good song. well, maybe he ll change his mind after we again? discuss it later. hello. i m t.j. holmes alongside reena ninan. the big story, this just broke just a few hours ago here in new york. now it has a lot of folks concerned. we re going to kick off this half hour. the latest on the ebola case. the doctor in new york city testing positive for the deadly virus after returning from west africa. a 33-year-old doctor treating ebola patients in guinea. one of the countries devastated by the disease. he is now in isolation at a manhattan hospital. his girlfriend quarantined. the doctor rode the subway, took a car service here in new york just the night before he fell ill. abc s linsey davis has more on how this all unfolded. reporter: inside this ambulance rushing to bellevue hospital, 33-year-old craig spencer. a doctors without borders physician suffering from a fever and gastrointestinal symptoms. a confirmed case of ebola right in the heart of new york city. i know it s a frightening situation, but the more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is. reporter: dr. spencer had been in guinea, one of three hot zone countries. last thursday he flew home connecting through brussels before arriving at jfk airport. he d been monitoring his temperature and reported his fever. police officers in masks, neighbors anxious. a local councilman trying to calm fears. frankly, people in the neighborhood are scared, and some of them are panicked. i had one gentleman who wouldn t even shake my hand because he was scared. reporter: the health department says a team of disease detectives immediately began to actively trace all of the patient s contacts to identify anyone who may be at potential risk. the patient is now in isolation. the health department has a team of disease detectives who have been at work tracing all of the patient s contacts, and we are prepared to quarantine contacts as necessary. reporter: in recent days, bellevue hospital has been holding drills in case a possible ebola patient comes through their door. those plans going into motion. it took only a few hours to determine that spencer did, indeed, test positive for ebola. linsey davis, abc news, new york. this is what we know about dr. spencer s past few days. he left guinea october 14th, stopped in brussels before arriving in new york on the 17th. he sticks to guidelines checking his temperature twice a day. this past tuesday he feels tired. wednesday, spencer takes the subway to brooklyn to a bowling alley and hops in a cab back home. he notifies authorities yesterday morning when he comes down with a 103 fever and also has diarrhea. at some point he also went for a three-mile jog, but health officials say there s no reason for alarm. you should stay with us here at abc news as we cover the latest ebola infection. look for more live updates in our next half hour and on america this morning. we know more about the man who stormed canada s parliament building. he was a loner who had drug problems, criminal record and converted to islam. abc s karen travers reports authorities still want to know much more about him. reporter: this dramatic video shows bystanders scrambling as michael zehaf-bibeau races toward canada s parliament with a small caliber hunting rifle. this picture authentic but from an unknown source shows him up close with that weapon. police say zehaf-bibeau came to ottawa earlier this month to get a passport. his mother telling authorities her son wants to travel to syria. this rampage may have been a result of him not getting that travel document. i think the passport figured prominently in his motives and his i m not inside his head, but i think it was central to what was driving him. reporter: canadian authorities said they have 93 citizens under investigation or surveillance as possible terrorists. zehaf-bibeau may have had extremist views, but he was not on that watch list. had we have known that he wanted to travel to syria, then he certainly would have been. reporter: abc news learned zehaf-bibeau crossed into the u.s. on four separate occasions. canadian and u.s. officials are trying to retrace his steps to figure out where he went and who he may have met with. concerns are growing in canada and in the u.s. about homegrown terrorists who may be trying to join isis in syria or iraq. canadian officials say they still have a lot to learn about how and why michael zehaf-bibeau turned to radicalism. t.j., reena? karen, thank you. three people are dead after a midair collision in maryland between a helicopter and private plane. all three fatalities were aboard the helicopter which was on a training flight. the two men on the plane were injured but have already been released from the hospital. they were able to deploy a parachute which lessened the plane s impact on the ground. the helicopter hit a storage facility as it came down. a powerful storm system moving through washington state yesterday spawned a tornado. the funnel cloud was caught on video in longview, washington. meteorologists measured it at an ef-1. winds up to 110 miles an hour. it carved a path of destruction 50 miles wide and a mile long. luckily caused no reported injuries. on the east coast, a powerful nor easter slammed much of new england leaving its own path of destruction. abc s rob marciano was in the heart of the storm zone just outside boston and has the latest. reporter: with howling winds near hurricane strength and nearly a half a foot of rain, the northeast is getting lashed by a nor easter. conditions in peabody, massachusetts, so severe schools canceled. drivers there in high water. this man had to be carried out to safety by firefighters. along the coast, boats run aground, crashing waves up to 18 feet high. dangerously close to homes. across the northeast, a tangled mess of downed trees, crushed cars and debris. thick trunk trees snapped clean in half. in connecticut, downed power lines sparking this gas fire. we periodically go and monitor it to make sure the heat from the fire isn t affecting the home or spreading to it. reporter: luckily, no injuries. in rhode island, wind and rain so severe, drivers abandoned their cars. this won t be the strongest storm new englanders see this winter, but certainly a large one and slow mover. it s done its damage as far as beach erosion already. it will move out through the day on friday but not before taking some of this coastline with it. rob marciano, abc news, massachusetts. wow. that was an interesting tag there. rob is the best out in the field. worked with him for a long time. he s fantastic out there. good to see him out there. hope he s in a warmer area right now. now here s a look at today s weather. the nor easter is blowing out to sea lingering behind showers across new england. heavy rain in the pacific northwest and up to six inches. cool across much of the northern half of the country. 50s and 60s. but dry conditions in the midwest. 70s and 80s. 96 degrees for phoenix. a lava flow on the move threatening thousands of residents on the big island of hawaii. it s advanced more than five football fields in the past 36 hours. the flow is less than a mile away from the town of pahoa. authorities say it s only a matter of time before residents there are forced to evacuate. they hope to give them at least three days notice. we see these pretty pictures, but that s scary stuff out there. it devoured 130 acres of terrain by thursday afternoon. unstoppable, huh? what do you do? you just have to get out of the way. probably just a matter of time. hopefully everybody will be all right. our friends out in hawaii. some of the big island residents are used to it. it s been erupting it began in 1983. i guess this is something they know comes with paradise. comes with paradise, right? we ve got a sight out of idaho coming up. a captivating sight here. as seen from high above, it s a bird s-eye view of the corn maze at the farmstead in meridian. this year it s carved out of the wizard of oz theme. all right. okay. i see it now. emerald city, dorothy. lots of detail. planning the maze takes about a year. i would imagine so. there s no place like home, though. if i could click my heels right now. you say that every morning. coming up in the skinny, hollywood a-lister who is selling lingerie but, of all places, at target. first, a big scare on the highway. motorcyclist who defy police and frighten other drivers. important safety advice on the road. you re watching world news now. announcer: world news now announcer: world news now weather brought to you by metamucil multi-health. there are two reasons why i need to keep an eye on my health. ugh! we won! that s why i take metabiotic, a daily probiotic. with 70% of your immune system in your gut, new multi-health metabiotic with bio-active 12 helps maintain digestive balance and is proven to help support a healthy immune system i take care of myself, so i can take care of them. experience the meta effect with our new multi-health wellness line and see how one small change can lead to good things. does your carpet ever feel rough and dirty? 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even the video here was a little annoying. standing in the snow disrobing. he s giving everything to this beautiful woman that he saw in a crowded space. that s why the song was huge, but he is now saying it was a problem for his career because some of the even the record company pigeon holed him into this thing marketing towards women. then you re shutting out 50% of your possible fan base. it did well and the song still sticks. he also points out that marketing also painted him to be an insanely serious person, although he considers himself anything but. blunt has a new album out and hopes it will spawn a single half as successful as you re beautiful. don t be ashamed, james. milk is as long as you can. a lot of people have a lot of apologizing to do for a lot of songs if this is the direction we re going to go. joan rivers. news about her. her daughter melissa will be inheriting the bulk of her estate after her recent and sudden passing. as melissa is joan s only child, it s no big surprise she d be the benefactor. but the amount is impressive. over $100 million. joan who had been performing just days before her death had amassed quite a fortune. $75 million just in cash. that will all go to melissa as well, including her $35 million condo on new york s upper east side. an insider divulged this information also saying that melissa s son cooper will receive his own share of joan s estate. it s, of course, no consolation for losing their mother. we talk about all this money, but they d much rather have joan back. halle berry back in the news for her latest business venture. no stranger to baring some skin. it s only fitting she ll launch her own lingerie label. the 48-year-old actress reviving a french luxury line named scandal. there s a twist. it s going to be sold at target. i love that. for the very affordable price range of $7 to $18. berry discovered the label while shopping in paris. after searching its history, researching it, she decided to relaunch it. scandal is expected to hit target next week. it s target and scandal. fans of the web series between two ferns got their first new episode since last high-profile guest interview and that was president obama. it continued with a-listers. this time brad pitt. and introduced as bradley pitt that s how they introduced him. the satire was heavy with lots of signature and awkward moments including the two playing chicken with their chewing gum. also a brief intermission from louie c.k. who did a stand-up set that didn t go over well. also not going over well was this question. tell me what it was like the first time you laid eyes on angelina. was it like one of those classical love stories like when i don t know, when ross first saw rachel? you know that show friends. have you seen that? i ll be there for you that is awesome. you might recall pitt used to be married to rachel from friends. jennifer aniston. and he played it off pretty well. i can t tell if the guests are just playing into it or some get uncomfortable and it gets awkward. come on. they knew it was coming. brad was having a good time. seemed like fun. you have to be a good sport to go on that show. you do. good job, brad. but this year, we ll fight back at the first sign of sick. no more feeling coughy, mucusy.just.yucky. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. is this about me? am i the yucky? 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(awkwardly laughs) get out. enough s enough! d-con baits are fomulated to kill in one feeding. guaranteed. spots and residues. wow, what a difference! all right. friday. we made it. it s been a busy week keeping track of a lot of stuff, including developments with ebola, the fight against terrorism and a familiar face we haven t seen in a while. and don t forget the blessed lady who covered madonna. it s all here in our friday rewind. there s a man with a rifle shooting at a bunch of people. so we you know, i yelled at all my guys, there s a guy shooting. so everyone, get down, get down. but let there be no misunderstanding. we will not be intimidated. canada will never be intimidated. after 21 days of being on that watch list, there s zero chance that any of those young men or that louise carries the ebola virus. thousands of hours have been spent in an effort to find him. we think perhaps today proved their worth. he had actually turned towards me, and that s where you could see the mud on his face, you could tell what height he was standing next to. could go back as far as 20 years based on some statements we have. his level of cooperation and the things he s told us would indicate possibly other victims could surface. when you have an air bag that s designed to protect you that can explode into shrapnel and kill you, this is an extreme situation. he honored women s features. he honored our bodies. he wasn t afraid to pull back and let the woman be the star of the look. i was just lucky to get to wear his designs. i fell in love with my boss in a 22-year-old sort of way. it happens. but my boss was the president of the united states. like a virgin touched for the very first time you know, there was an editorial by conservative bishops and in it they said that nun, not even the americans of sister act would have thought of such a reckless move. reckless? reckless? that s a strong word. that is strong. i love her. did you download her song yet? not yet. you should do that. i will after that comment. hope you liked our look back at the week. a whole lot more where that came from. and log on to our facebook fan page, wnnfans.com. announcer: this is abc s world news now, informing insomniacs for two decades.
armies of lobbyists and lawyers? or does it work for all the people. now the house of representatives is about to show us the worst of government for the rich and powerful. the house is about to vote on a budget deal, a deal negotiated behind closed doors, that would let traders on wall street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by the government when their risky bets threaten to blow up our financial system. this is a democracy, and the american people didn t elect us to stand up for citigroup. they elected us to stand up for all the people. that s the bugle signaling charge. today the white house scrambled to contain the fod. just minutes before the scheduled vote, the white house took the dangerous move of taking direct aim at the warren wing of the party by declaring and campaign contributions, opening up the ÷÷ñaúfloodgates. first you give the keys to the bank and then you bail the banks out. we are not having that. i think the vote today shows that, shows the unity of the democratic caucus and republicans are going to have to go someplace else if this is the garbage they re going to put on the floor. it s both the quid and the quo, talking about corruption it s got money coming in to the democrats and republicans to pay for loopholes and shenanigans on wall street. senator warren took the floor again today to rally against the carve-outs for the big banks. here she is. a vote for this bill is a vote for future taxpayer bailouts of wall street. when the next bail-out comes, a lot of people will look back to this vote to see who was responsible for putting the government back on the hook to bail out wall street. why in the last minute, as you head out the door, and a spending bill must be passed, are you making it a priority to do wall street s bidding? who do you work for? wall street? or the american people? congresswoman edwards, i want to know what you see. you re the politician of the three of us. is this the future of the democratic party? z?jp go-along party that makes deals with the worst elements in our society and wall street? your thoughts? one thing the last election told us, it told us th!:[rñ amen people need to know we re prepared to get in there and fight for them, fight for their paychecks and their bank accounts. stop fighting for wall street and special interests. frankly, there s no question about it, this bill absolutely stinks. the american people know it. when i came into congress in i would never again vote to bail out big banks. while republicans in this congress take the american people down the bank road again. we will not do it. luke russert, it would take 50 or 60 votes to get this pass. who are your colleagues? what are they saying to you when they re voting for the bill? they would say this is a good bill go ahead, luke, i m sorry. they say it s a good bill because it leaves the democratic imprint on the funding through the rest of the fiscal year on everything with the exception of the department of homeland security. and they ll have the immigration fight in early march and the rest of the government is funded and they re not worried about shutdown politics. that s really their point. this is the best they can get before the super majority comes in next congress. however, what you do, you talk to other democrats who say, you know what, republicans have shown they have an awfully difficult time getting to 218 to fund the government on any priority. we re more than happy to go at it with them and go to the ring a few more times because it makes them look bad. i want to say one thing that i think is important when you talk about the future of the democratic party. when this was negotiated by harry reid, and the other preept reetors on the senator side with the house gop x)kyleadership, t reason why there wasn t a freak-out over the dodd-frank language because this thing passed in the house in october of 2013 with 70 democrats supporting it, including steny hoyer, the difference in campaign finances that was negotiated between reed, mcconnell, and boehner. what you re seeing tonight is the liberal wing standing up to something that was directly negotiated by reid and the white house, and was supported by them before. they re not taking it n)f . also, could there be another factor here? you ve lost both houses of congress now. you re the opposition on the hill. you re not worried about carrying the water on debt ceilings and all the rest and budget deals. you lost the house a while ago. you re losing the senate. is this a revolutionary spirit fueled by the fact, you don t have to run the show, you just have to drive your ideas? i think what s really clear, chris, is the fact is, the american people are expecting us to fight for them. they re depending on us to fight for them. we re prepared to do it. you know, if you look at that deal that was negotiated, i don t know that the white house frankly was clearly in the room on this. and clearly some deals were cut with mitch mcconnell because he s always wanted to raise those political campaign contribution limits. he wants to throw the individual limits out the window. but we can t let them. we can t let wall street walk away with the store, and on the other hand, give them the open keys to the government by allowing all these political contributions. and like i said, if the republicans really want a bipartisan bill over here in the house, they know they can get democratic votes, but they have to get it with a clean funding bill. thanks so much donna edwards and luke russert. coming up, guess who is defiant inzkw;o the face of the torture report? dick cheney. the man who once said we d have to work through the dark side. he s unapologetic about what the cia did. he said he d do it all over again in a minute. big surprise. that s ahead, this is hardball, the place for politics. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. chris christie, like many of the potential 2016 presidential candidates isn t talking about the torture report one bit. he refused to answer questions about it. now a new poll finds the people in his home state say they don t think he d make a good president. 53%, a majority of new jersey voters say government christie would not do well in the white house. of course it s a blue state. and even though christie is the strongest republican against hillary in the garden state, new hillary in the garden state, new jersey is still deep blue. a remote that lives on your phone. i think that what needed to be done was done. i think we were perfectly justified in doing it, and i d do it again in a minute. welcome back to hardball. former vice president dick cheney, he mingsed no words in his interview with fox news. describing his preferred approach to terror. here he is. he is in our possession. we know he s the architect. what are we supposed to do? kiss him on both cheeks and say, please, please, tell us what you know. no, of course not. we did what needed to be done to catch those who were guilty on 9/11 and prevent a further attack. we were successful on both parts this report said it was not successful. this report is full of crap. director of harvard s project on public narrative and author of the 1% doctrine. and also former rnc chair michael steele. what do you think is in the makeup of a guy who dismisses all different opinions as crap? cheney will go to his grave denying everything that is very clear at this point. this is the moment they feared, that there would be an official inquest that would prove right everything people were saying. now it s happened and cheney is digging into his final position. he s in a shrinking country, cheneyland, that gets smaller and smaller. and even now you can hear him shooting at president bush as to who knew what. this is cheney s last stand. let me ask you about policy. i m a big believer, as mike dukakis said, the fish rots from the head. an old greek expression. whatever it is, i believe the boss sets the tone. i worked in politics for 15 years. when staffers did something, i knew the boss wanted it done, or they wouldn t be there. that s the operative. and i was one, an operative. you are the boss s guy. so when somebody says somebody at the cia did something, my view is, they were told to do it. what s your view? where did the water boording come from and all that stuff, how did it work its way down to the bowels or the dark place this came directly, chris, from bush and cheney, both of them. at the start, it was ordered by the president and the vice president. the cia didn t just wake up one day and say, hey, we re going to do a lot of extra legal and extraordinary things. it came from the white house. they were ordered to take off the gloves as the white house said right at the beginning. don t worry about what people say when they find out. go to the dark side. they were following orders. now, ultimately, the president and the vice president were briefed intensively about exactly what cia was doing from the beginning and throughout. bush was quite engaged in this as was cheney. they got regular reports, what is the yield of the interrogation, is it successful, is it not? both men are directly driving this. to the extent their cruelty involved, michael, essentially, torture, whatever you want to call it, there s torture, cruelty involved, you re hurting people, causing them pain and fear and all the mix of horrors you get in your mind when you re being tortured, where is it going to end, is it going to end with me ending, all that, did they do that with an attitude of we want to do this, we don t like these people, they are bad people, was it personal? ron? that s to you, ron. you bleeped out. the fact is, they engaged president bush only when things were made personal. cheney and bush viewed this as an affront to them personally, which was kind of the way bush was managed, the tapping of blood lust. this was about managing bush. by cheney, by others. but also doing what they felt need be done. don t worry about the consequences. of course cheney creates the 1% doctrine, that idea that we should do everything. everything essentially we can think of. don t worry about these issues of ends and means. now what we find is of course the worst nightmare, that not only was this morally reprehensible, cashiering america s moral authority, but it was of no value at all, which they were warned about at the beginning. you re sure of that? absolutely. we got nothing out of it? absolutely nothing of value that couldn t be got in a hundred other ways. but they didn t get it in a hundred other ways. let me have michael in here. i want to set this up politically. cheney isn t hiding. no, he s not hiding. cheney has never hidden. i think that s what frustrates a lot of people. he puts it out there and you have to deal with it. he makes it easy for you to unpack it, as he s done again. there s a lot that ron said that, i wasn t in the room, i don t know what s inside these men s hearts and heads. i do know how the process i do not think that the president and the vice president were sitting around over a cup of coffee saying, we re just going to start waterboarding, out of thin air. we know what the cia s business has always been about. this is nothing new. this is nothing transcendent in terms what the cia has done in terms of black ops. what about going into the dark areas of intelligence, we got to go back in there in the quiet, where there s no discussion absolutely. why is cheney saying to do that? why are we laying it out on the table? i want to make the point that came from the top. cheney exhibiting no moral qualms about the acts revealed in the report. let s listen. did the ends justify the means? absolutely. no doubt in your mind? no doubt in my mind, i m totally comfortable with it. doing his job there. cheney previewed the at any cost mentality. yet days after 9/11, let s listen. we also have to work the dark side, if you will, we have to spend time in the shadows, in the intelligence world. a lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we re going to be successful. that s the world these folks operate in. and so it s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal basically to achieve our object. how do you read that? that s the way this works. don t blame it on the cia. it guy looks like he was ready to do it from the top. exactly. that s where the buck ultimately stops. you laid it out very well at the opening of the segment. that at the end of the day, it s going to start at the head. if there are good things that come from it, you re going to the head. that s how cheney saw this. this is all in the context of what happened post 9/11. this is that world that was created. again, we have a history. whether we re trying to go after castro in the kennedy administration they didn t do the job, did they? no, they didn t. or whether you re going after osama bin laden, it s the same type who is still the head of cuba right now? anyway, let s go back to ryan. what is it in cheney s being? what s in his head that makes him curl the lip and talk about torture and stuff like that with such delight and relish? what s that all about? cheney has always believed that tactics matter. he s arguably one of the finest tact itions at the top of government for many years. if cheney believes that his position cannot be challenged, as long as he digs in and doesn t flinch, he ll do that. that s where cheney is sitting at this point. many people are turning on him at this point. john mccain and others are saying, cheney s wrong. but cheney at this point will be the last man standing with this position if that s what it takes. that s what he s thinking about. history s record, i didn t flinch. and i think ron is absolutely right about that. that s the one thing about the man, he s consistent from the very beginning to this moment. and now one has to unpack that. i don t know about love, but in his view, all s fair in war. ron, thank you for being the expert. michael steele, thank you very much. up next, a hardball farewell to michele bachmann. we re going to the riddic lift, this is hardball, the place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. hardball, the place fo politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. place for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. hardball, the place fo politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. this is hardball, the for politics. and also, where you can hear the debate. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. come from all walks of life. if you have high blood sugar, ask your doctor about farxiga. it s a different kind of medicine that works by removing some sugar from your body. along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. with one pill a day, farxiga helps lower your a1c. and, although it s not a weight-loss or blood-pressure drug, farxiga may help you lose weight and may even lower blood pressure when used with certain diabetes medicines. do not take if allergic to farxiga or its ingredients. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction include rash, swelling or difficulty breathing or swallowing. if you have any of these symptoms, stop taking farxiga and seek medical help right away. do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems, are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. tell your doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine or pain while you urinate. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including dehydration, genital yeast infections in women and men, low blood sugar,kidney problems, and increased bad cholesterol. common side effects include urinary tract infections, changes in urination, and runny nose. do the walk of life yeah, you do the walk of life need to lower your blood sugar? ask your doctor about farxiga and visit our website to learn how you may be able to get every month free. mccarthyism to rule out anti-american lawmakers in the democratic caucus. how many people in the caucus are anti-american? you already suspect barack obama. is he alone, or are there others? what i would say is that the news media should do a penetrating expose and take a look. i wish they would. i wish the american media would take a great look at the views of the people in congress and find out, are they pro-america, or anti-america. i think people would love to see an expose like that. backman was a vocal opponent of the president, attacking the affordable care act with a fervor. this egregious system that will be ultimately known as death care, must be defeated. it will be very unpleasant if the death panels go into effect. let s repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. of course there were no death panels, but congresswoman bachmann rare let the facts get in the way of good fiction. he famously campaigned against vaccinations, making the unfounded claim that the hpv vaccination was unsafe for young women. i will tell you that i had a mother last night come up to me, here in tampa florida, after the debate. she told me that her daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and suffered from mental retardation thereafter. it can have very dangerous side effects. it was rated false after it was denied by the medical community at large. congresswoman bachmann liked to cite the founding fathers, but basic american history alluded her at times. when she claims that our founders were the ones who ended slavery. the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the united states. remember how ben franklin won the civil war? anyway, at a campaign event, she mistakenly credited new hampshire as the site of the first battle of the american revolution. the love of new hampshire and what we have in common is your extreme love for liberty. you re the place where the shot around the world. the battle of lexington and concord as everyone watching knows, was in massachusetts. with that, we say farewell to the queen of the right wing clown car. up next, the director of the cia agency defends the agency in the wake of the report. the roundtable joins us in a minute. you re watching hardball, the place for politics. great job. (mandarin) cut it out. see you tomorrow. you don t need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we re exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg. isn t as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here. welcome back to hardball. two days after the release of that damning report by democratic senators and the senate intelligence committee, the director of the cia spoke to reporters today. he was asked whether the program put in place by the bush administration, did it work? which included torture, did it produce useful intelligence. here s what brennan said. there s no way, to know whether or not some information that was obtained from an individual who had been subjected at some point during his confinement, could have been obtained through other means. it s just an unknowable fact. so what the agency s point has been consistently and what certainly my view is, after having reviewed the documents, is that there was useful intelligence, very useful, valuable intelligence was obtained from individuals who had been subjected to eits. whether that could be obtained without the use of the eits, is unknowable. michael steele, melinda henden berger and republican strategist hogan gitly. one question, is torture, any kind of torture right or wrong? should we do it? in my opinion? that s what i m asking for, should we do it? is torture really the act, or is it the motivation? we re trying to save the country from disaster and one guy that we know knows the answer to what s coming next, do we torture him? to get you the information you want do you think we should do it? i think you should do it. i m with my catholic church on this. they say it s an intrinsically evil act. so i say no, the ends never justify the means. it s always wrong. and i don t care if it gets you absolutely everything you want, the keys to the kingdom, which it does not. [ all speak at once ] our president says the same thing, this is not who we are as a country and i agree with that. so you wouldn t do it? 24 hours, explosion coming, you re not going to do it. your thoughts? are you with her? i ve got my intrinsically catholic view as well, but i side with hogan. i think the policy and personal implications beyond that one individual are too great. i think if you re in executive leadership in particular, you have to weigh it in totality. and yes, sometimes that requires you to do it. this is the justification in the church for things like just war. so you cannot say that, oh, if i torture that that s morally wrong, but if, you know, i bomb an entire village of innocent individuals that somehow that justifies the means that you re trying to achieve with the war. so what that requires is the moral leadership lays out the parameters and the political leadership has to wade itself through that, keeping its eye on those things that cross the lines, and you saw with the cia director, he was not he was not getting into the policy. that s not his job. his job is to do the implementation of that policy and those leaders that we entrust with the he was talking out of both sides of his mouth. have anything to do with what is done when the time comes? because when the time comines, president, a dick cheney, a barack obama, a george bush, whoever they are, has to make a decision how to save the country. they have to make a decision on the spot. we got this guy in custody. we know he knows. what do we do? mr. president, he s our only source of information right now. and you have to decide then whether to throw the rule book out. but how can it be a message to the world that we re no better than the terrorists we are fighting? and we are not isis. we don t do that. that s not who we are. [ all speak at once ] i don t think it s practical. are you against capital punishment? i am. see, these are values. i can appreciate that. i think capital punishment didn t work to deter crime in the same way torture doesn t work to i think there s a false argument here. i think it s too neat. it s convenient to believe it s actually not neat. it s so satisfying on an emotional level to say, let s do what it takes. but where s the proof that we got anything out of it? but see, you re trying to prove something that is not going to be fully disclosed in the course of any period of time. you re not able to say, we were able to do x, y, and z because we tortured this individual. it s just a false argument. he said it worked. but he leaves the caveat, we could have got it from somewhere else. but that was the view today. republicans wanted to hear brennan say, we got the information that got bin laden. they did, right? the democrats wanted to hear, we weren t sure if that really came from here, we just got the information. they heard that too. he said both things. so both sides are able to glom on to the points they want to use and use that politically, however they choose. it s not knowable to know if we could have gotten the same information, means it wasn t even a last resort. i mean, that to me, suggests that they didn t even try very hard otherwise to get that information. bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, guy hits a home run. you could say, somebody else could have done that. it s true. the pitcher could have hit a home run. the shortstop, the least likely. but you don t know. anyway, yesterday colorado senator mark udall gave a fiery speech on the floor of the senate, calling for president obama to purge from his administration people who were part of the cia s interrogation program, people like the director himself, john brennan. this is tough stuff for a guy on his way out. but here he is. torture just didn t happen afterall, contrary to the president s recent statement, we didn t torture some folks. real actual people engaged in torture. some of these people are still employed by the cia and the u.s. government. they are right now people serving in high level positions at the agency who approved directed or committed acts related to the cia s detention and interrogation program. it s bad enough not to prosecute these officials. but to reward or promote them, and risk the integrity of the u.s. government, to protect them, is incomprehensible. the best thing about our country, we talk about this in the open. i always talk about, when we were growing up, we had the space program. we said there s a guy on the board. before the ship took off, the russians, you never knew if the ship came down, blew up in the air, poor monkey, or not even that. we were honest and we think of ourselves as the good guys. we think of ourselves, but it s ten years later we re talking about this. we re talking about it and a lot of other countries never do. so what could will come of this hand-wrippinging, which i think is morally important? will it shorten the leash on future cias or not? i do know, when you re talking about this program, that the senate democrats, senate republicans knew about this. this wasn t new to them. they understood this. for them now to be outraged is a little disingenuous. now that we know about it, the program s over. it s been ended. what are the 2016 candidates going to say about it? because now it s in the forefront again? what torture will do is stop people from coming on the show and looking at the camera instead of looking at me. did you learn that at the virginia leadership school? i was in news before. okay, go ahead. well, the republicans are mostly, as i understand it, expressing outrage that it s out in the open now, even though the terrorists have been recruiting on this stuff for years. so i don t think cheney s making the case for it. how will this find its way into party platforms? will the democrats say we re against it? will republicans say, we re for torture? they re not going to say they re pro-torture. do you think cheney will actually say no, no. he is something. isn t he something? i think if anybody thumps their nose at this guy, i ve been through this, you take on cheney, and he wants to dismember you. anyway, the roundtable is staying with us. when we come back, the war on insurgen insurgency. this is hot for the democrats elizabeth warren leading the charge for the future of the democrat party. she wants them to be a populist party that keeps a tough rein on wall street. this is hardball, the place for politics. 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