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Would not be any different. the team's findings would not be any different if he were 62 or 52 or 75. that's the reality. but sadly, people who tune in to tv expect to see entertainment and drama and not facts and findings. we saw a stark contrast today between a professional prosecutor and professional politicians. and now we have a choice to make. are we going to choose the facts or are we going to choose the drama? and i don't think any of that would have changed depending on the age of the prosecutor. >> josh, another way of putting some of this is the mueller report came out not attuned t...

And i think what came through was sort of a lack of confidence in the substance of his report, which is really a shame because unfortunately i think the conclusion people will draw is that, well, there's less of a case here to go forward wktability for the president. and i talked to two members of congress tonight who said already in the democratic caucus up on capitol hill there's less momentum for impeachment tonight than there was before these hearings. >> and frank figliuzzi, that's a fair question. what else didn't you hear today that perhaps you wanted to? >> oh, i think it would have be...

Aware that if a hostile foreign power is trying to influence an election has no duty to report that to the fbi or other authorities? >> i hope -- >> go ahead. >> i hope this is not the new normal. but i fear it is. >> just one of many notable moments from this afternoon's session on the topic of russian election interference. robert mueller was also asked about president trump's repeated praise for wikileaks during the presidential campaign. >> boy, i love reading those wikileaks. donald trump november 4th, 2016. do any of those quotes disturb you, mr. director? >> i'm not certain i would say ...

Chief for the "washington post," and john heilemann, veteran journalist, msnbc national affairs analyst, co-author of "game change," co-host of "the circus" on showtime. phil, you'll excuse me. it was congresswoman bass who kept calling him mccann today to the point of great frustration here in the studio. a very basic question for you, phil. in your judgment did it just get harder for the democrats to get mcgahn in front of that committee? >> well, that's a good question, brian. as you lay it out, that's the next step for democrats. and what they're trying to do here is build some momentum. t...

Negotiations between the staffs. but this court proceeding could be the next step. i'm not sure where it lands. it seems like mcgahn may be willing to testify in a limited scope to talk about the facts that are in the report. but there are a lot of questions surrounding the optics. for example, would it be a closed testimony behind closed doors or would it be something that played out the way the mueller testimony did today as a nationally televised event? >> john heilemann, they could use the president's dvr to power a small city. there's every indication today his calendar was clear, he watc...