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it's about identity. it's about his personal brand, which is why he's shown up here so many times. the political argument is more for the court of public opinion. the judge knows the facts. he knows the documents. he won't be swayed by that. chris kise talking to his client, the judge and the electorate. >> the very first thing in the closing art was to make the claim this was all political. >> absolutely. ellie and caroline, weigh in on this. i scribbled it down as paula was reporting, this entire case is a manufactured case to serve a political agenda, first words out of chris kise's mouth. >> two things can be true at once. yes, donald trump inflated the value of his assets, by a lot. that's been established. there's a second question whether anybody was harmed. the banks got paid back. it's a fact that letitia james
we've got a lot of different prosecutors. it's not a good look for letitia james to be speaking on the courtroom steps. it only adds to this argument that trump is making that it is political. it tends to look political. then you have to think about the facts of the case. square footage doesn't lie. some of these things are -- on paper -- it's a paper case to some extent. the facts don't lie. he inflated the value of his assets obviously. the question is, if it weren't him, would this have been prosecuted? we might never know that answer. >> the judge has already found him liable for persistent and repeated fraud. the scope of the damages is part of what's at stake. also the political reality that this is a campaign event for donald trump at the same time. ellie, caroline, thank you. john, we'll get back to you on the courtroom steps.
to do. the judge insisted on what donald trump's team is calling conditions. they're really just the rules of court. >> not unreasonable? >> not at all. this is restrictions on any lawyer in any scenario. you can't give a campaign speech. you can't give irrelevant issues. you can't testify. you can't attack motives. these are things legally permissible outside those doors. inside those doors you have rules of evidence and procedure. the judge said i'll consider it if you abide by the rules of court. trump's team didn't agree. they could have agreed. they could have said, sure, he'll abide by that. the fact that donald trump is not up there giving a closing argument is his own doing. >> caroline, big picture, talk to me about -- we have to -- we'll say it because it continues to be true and important to point out. the courtroom is the campaign. this is so unusual on so many
to consider that. there's some other things here. ever since he made the break from donald trump he's come through. he is backed up by the paper, to an extent. the numbers are different. the person drawing the link between the paper and donald trump is largely michael cohen. >> caroline, what do you think about this? how much of a factor could this part of the argument be for the judge who will be the one who decides the damages? >> that's a good point. i agree, michael cohen, i think, is more of a pivotal witness in the next trial, not so much this one, because -- we always talk about the distinction of a criminal trial versus civil. it's less about the intent, the motivation, where live witnesses
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