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who played the old man in the chekhov piece. if there was a young, attractive young man played the guy who shot himself at the end, i was always the old guy with gout. they used to call me captain velcro in drama school because i played all the small parts. so, i realised very early on that nobody would want me to be me because, in reality, i don't think men want to be me and women want to sleep with me — so, i always had to be someone else. oh, my goodness. you've started with such a sort of powerful and profound sort of statement of who you are and the acting profession. is that something that you've found... you've had to come to terms with, or was it always an easy thing to accept? no, ifound it very liberating to become somebody else, to become kind of... to...not to lose myself, but to explore other personalities and other characters. but what you've also said is that you were,

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HARDtalk

you've got two big projects coming out — one, a film, a sort of biopic about the singer amy winehouse who died tragically young, and you're playing the role of mitch winehouse, her father. and, at the very same time, across the pond in the us, you've made a mini—series for apple tv where you play the american revolutionary politician john adams. yes. how do you get your head around such different parts at the same time? well, it was a necessity for me. because of my background and the fact that i was very working class and very... i was always being cast early on in my career as drug dealers or bank robbers or thugs in one way or the other. and i wanted to be an actor. i didn't want to be a professional caricature of a working—class character. so, i decided very early on that i wanted to be diverse. i wanted to play many different characters because i hated the idea of anyone defining me.

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HARDtalk

for the audience. yeah. you can't play ev... you can't play two—dimensional evil characters, it doesn't work. you can. i mean, there are a lot of hollywood movies which are deeply two—dimensional. yeah. are you saying you're now quite picky and you want to go down routes which challenge you and challenge the audience? yes. yeah, yeah. because i'm not... i don't have the confidence to make a bad script good. some actors do, and i can't. i'm just like a musician. i play the notes that are on the page. what about the money? if hollywood comes to you with a frankly silly script in a silly movie, but they're offering you shed loads of money? i'd do it. 0h, i'd do it, 100%. i'd do it. and then, i mean... in acting, you call it f—off money. you put money in the bank and then you can tell everybody for scripts, "i don't want to do that." it's called f—off money. is that right? yeah. and then... so, you've taken a bit of f—off money? oh, yeah, ioo%, yeah. is one reason —

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CNN Newsroom Live

retainers and legal services when really it was a hush money payment intended to prevent and the voters from learning about stormy daniels allegations. >> it's a novel legal theory that will be tested and under the microscope for perhaps the next six weeks. >> that's how long were expecting things to go? >> so opening statements are monday and eventually we will get into witness testimony and there is a big cast of characters that are expected to swear to tell the truth in front of the jury. >> michael cohen himself, in many ways is the star witness of this case. his credibility will be crucial. there's also stormy daniels. she is expected to tell her side of the story. there's also hope hicks, a trump 2016 campaign official karen mcdougal, who is a another woman who alleged an affair with donald trump and then there's also david. he was involved with the national enquirer or the tabloid that is

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CNN Newsroom Live

that will be tested and under the microscope for perhaps the next six weeks. >> that's how long were expecting things to go. >> so opening statements are monday and eventually we will get into witness testimony and there is a big cast of characters that are expected to swear to tell the truth in front of the jury. >> michael cohen himself, in many ways is the star witness of this case his credibility will be crucial. there's also stormy daniels. she is expected to tell her side of the story. there's also hope hicks, a trump 2016 campaign official, karen mcdougal, who is a another woman who alleged and affair with donald trump. and then there's also david he was involved with the national enquirer or the tabloid that is central to this alleged scheme, according to the indictment. and cohen and trump met shortly after trump announced his campaign in 2015, and they all all agreed according to the

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CNN Newsroom Live

allegations. it's a novel legal theory that will be tested and under the microscope for perhaps the next six weeks. that's how long were expecting things to go? >> so opening statements are monday and eventually we will get into witness testimony and there is a big cast of characters that are expected to swear to tell the truth in front of the jury. >> michael cohen himself, in many ways is the star witness of this case. his credibility will be crucial. there's also stormy daniels. she is expected to tell her side of the story. there's also hope hicks, a trump 2016 campaign official, karen mcdougal, who is a another woman who alleged an affair with donald trump. and then there's also david. he was involved with the national enquirer the tabloid that is central to this alleged scheme, according to the indictment. and cohen and trump met shortly after trump announced his campaign in 2015, and they all

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Outnumbered

me. i started listening to this. by that matters is the last hour, what i learned from a former federal prosecutor is that you've got a couple of liars that are witnesses in this case. michael cohen being one, david pecker according to my guest also one of those lawyers on the stand. we are going to watch a person who was accused of doing that catch and kill where you get a negative story during your campaign and you pay somebody some money to speak about it, and you never publish that st story. >> kayleigh: potentially hearing from michael menotti who has a less than sterling reputation is a 12-year sentence. a lot of characters. as i'm watching this report, it occurred to me, the democrats thought this would in meyer trumpian negative coverage, a salacious story that people could grab onto. we are hearing what david pecker said via a reporter. we will hear what any of these

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

in the access hollywood tape to the jury, he said he didn't know he was on -- and he's also mentioning hope hicks, so these are some of the characters that we will be -- and incidents that we'll be hearing, even though the video is not going to be shown, but the transcript is available. >> yeah, everybody please stay close. i want to bring into the conversation here robert gibbs. he is a former obama administration aide as well as matthew dowd who is with us right now as well. robert gibbs, is former press secretary in the white house and matthew dowd worked in the bush/cheney administration. matthew, let me start with you. take us back to 2016. that is what the prosecutor is doing right now before the jurors, and just the setting of what they're calling this conspiracy to conceal, this information from the voters, what do you think this -- this was -- what was happening inside

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

so this already is hitting at the core of questioning donald trump's credibility in the mind of the jury. >> i'm quoting the prosecutor here. he says to the jury, cohen's job was to take care of problems for the defendant. he was trump's fixer. together they conspired to influence v fluns the outcome of the election and pecker would ability as eyes and ears for the defendant and gather information that could be harmful and report that to cohen so trump could -- there's a dot, dot, dot, as people are trying to fill in the blanks here. what stands out to me, maya, how they're introducing all the characters that they will soon hear from, the jury will soon hear from. david pecker is somebody they're emphasizing early on. we've reported he's expected to be the first witness called by the prosecution. why would they start with him? why would he be the opening witness? >> because this is the movie trailer. central to the plot of this

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CNN This Morning

history cnn has learned that the prosecution's first witness will likely be david. >> he is the former publisher of the national enquirer, joining me now is former federal prosecutor andrei tarkovsky andrew. good morning. thank you so much for being here. this is a real cast of characters that we are expecting to come through this courtroom. why start with well, he is the one who essentially initiated the payments to stormy daniels. >> and that is an important factor in all of this. the payment to stormy daniels is the initiation of what they say is donald trump's effort to effectively interfere with the election by making a payment to a hush money payment that was not reported in any sort of campaign finance books and was part of his overall scheme to interfere with that election. now, the prosecutors have to prove several layers of donald trump from specific intent and it all goes to the question of whether he was making that

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