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tonight, and he is coming off a summit with some of the people who were his strongest detractors during the campaign. senior national correspondent john roberts is outside trump tower again tonight. good evening, john. bret, good evening to you. it was the highest profile summit yet at trump tower, which is directly behind this bus behind me, and also the highest dollars. donald trump played host to high-tech billionaires, most of whom actively campaigned against him in the election. well, i just want to thank everybody. reporter: it was a crowd that just weeks ago had been openly hostile to donald trump. amazon founder jeff bezos who during the campaign claimed trump was eroding the democratic process. apple ceo tim cook who raised millions for hillary clinton. facebook coo sheryl sandberg also backed hillary clinton, as did tesla and spacex founder, elon musk. today trump urged them all to put political differences aside and focus on growing the economy, point out tech stocks have been doing pretty well
to say no. also in the running is south dakota republican congresswoman christey noe. while she said she d prefer to stay in congress, she might have a kdifficult time declining. trump has promised to revamp the structure and culture of the va. that will require a unique candidate. despite the delay, trump remains well ahead of most of his recent predecessors in naming his cabinet. on the latest stop in his thank you tour in wisconsin last night, donald trump publicly buried the hatchet with house speaker paul ryan. the two finally appearing on stage together. and when trump supporters booed ryan. the president-elect leapt to his defense, albeit with a caveat. you know, honestly, he s like a fine wine. every day goes by, i get to appreciate his genius more and more. now, if he ever goes against me, i m not going to say that, okay.
all have ties to oil producing states. scott pruitt has even questioned climate change itself. i think the president s view is that policy making should be guided by science and that the policy makers should be listening to scientists, both inside the government and outside the government. reporter: adding to the white house s concerns, reports pie the president-elect s team for the names of the energy department staff and contractors who worked on the obama administration s efforts to reduce carbon emissions, a survey since disavowed by the trump transition team. there should be real apprehension across the country that clean energy revolution, our efficiency revolution, our fight for clean airan water are going to be under assault from the minute he takes the oath of office. reporter: by the way, bret, the person that sent out that survey has since been properly counselled. it s also important to point out that they re expected to take a very fresh look at a number of obama administration policies as far as the energy environment is
federal funds rate is appropriate in light of the solid progress we have seen toward our goals of maximum employment and 2% inflation. we continue to expect that the evolution of the economy will warrant only gradual increases in the federal funds rate over time. stocks declined on the news that the fed may make three more rate hikes next year. the dow dropped 119, the s&p 500 was off 18, the nasdaq fell 27. now joining us from our sister network, fox business network s melissa francis. so why did the rate hike or the talk of more rate hikes spook the market today? yeah, it was really about that idea of janet yellen saying that we might be raising rates three more times in the year. investors had expected the federal reserve to say that maybe it would be two more times, but, you know, i would caution investors out there, they promised a number of rate hikes within a year in the past and they haven t followed
deposit or spend currency that is about to become worthless. embattled president nicholas maduro said he was taking the most commonly used bill out of circulation. venezuela is in a long economic crisis. we ve reported on it before. struggling with the world s highest inflation. people have been lining up outside banks since tuesday morning. we ll continue to follow the situation there. there is considerable confusion tonight about whether the on again, off again truce in aleppo, syria, is on again. late this afternoon syrian rebels said it was, but cease-fires like this have come and gone before without much success. tonight correspondent rich edison is at the white house looking at where we are right now in the war in syria. a warning here, though, some of the images in this report may be disturbing. reporter: this is what cease-fire agreements look like this aleppo, syria.
translator: look how they killed my child. why, my brother, why. reporter: these buses were to evacuate civilians and rebels. instead they re empty. they had agreed to allow them to evacuate aleppo, returning control of the city to ba shaush bashar al assad. syrian forces have returned bombing aleppo as they capture more of the city. symbolically it means a study they have struggled to besiege and encircle and take for years is finally theirs. reporter: the united nations says pro-government forces have killed dozens of civilians. there are dozens of suicides. in more than five years of fighting, hundreds of thousands of syrians are dead, killed as several nations, rebel groups and terrorist organizations converged on this country. in 2011, it began with hope. syria joined the arab spring. citizens mobilizing to overthrow
their oppressive governments. assad responded with a violent crackdown. the country fell into civil war with terrorist groups joining the fight to secure syrian territory of its own. that summer the obama administration declared assad must step aside. a year later, this threat. a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. reporter: another year later, assad s forces killed 1400 using sarin gas. obama decided to walk back from his threat and pursue diplomacy with assad s ally, russia. that diplomacy has turned to disgust. the idea that you would target a playground and bomb kids, hoping that you would then convince people to give up because you had killed their kids? what kind of a sick mind comes up with a strategy like that? and what kind of civilized country is going to support those tactics? but that s what russia has done. reporter: and now questions of whether the administration should have engaged further in
syria, beyond air strikes against isis. there has never been a recognition that civilian population protection is at the heart, at the heart of avoiding and fighting extremism. our failure to protect the syrian population is i think the biggest policy failure we did. reporter: syria will be a question for the trump administration, as it will now decide whether and how to engage russia and continued u.s. involvement in syria. rich, thank you. the marine corps is grounding its fleet of mv-22 osprey aircraft in japan following a crash off the coast of japan earlier this week. it happened while the tilt rotor plane was conducting a nighttime midair refueling operation. the five crew members aboard the plane were all rescued. it is the eighth crash incident involving marine aircraft this year. a new theory tonight on how russian hackers allegedly got into the hillary clinton campaign e-mail system.
the daily mail reports a typo in an e-mail from one of clinton s top aides may have been responsible for opening a digital door. meantime the house intelligence committee abruptly circled thursday s briefing on the alleged russian election hacks. fox news is told that the intel agencies, the cia, fbi, nsa, odni all refused to provide briefers, which is unusual given that this is the most senior committee with jurisdiction. the russian scandal has put the spotlight on our country s aging i.t. infrastructure and not just the equipment. you might be shocked to learn just how many of the men and women charged with keeping our government s computers safe and effective are among the country s oldest workers. peter doocy tells us more tonight. reporter: during the presidential campaign season, there was a lot of talk about who should have his or her finger on the button that controls the nation s nuclear arsenal. it turns out that nuclear arsenal is partly coordinated
using an 8-inch floppy disk. where do you buy a floppy disk? i can t imagine what the price is now. and so that s the big threat is this slow, grinding, lower quality, higher cost set of services. reporter: the cost of caring for such ancient equipment is now so high the feds don t have much money left over for anything else. among the biggest spenders on i.t., hhs at $13 billion a year, dhs at more than $6 billion a year and the va at nearly $4.5 billion a year. the federal government spends almost $90 billion a year on information technology and almost 80% of that is spent on operations and maintenance, servicing systems that may be over 50 years old. reporter: the workforce is aging too. there are more federal i.t. employees over 60 than there are under 30. at hud, 23% of i.t. workers are
over 60. at the national science foundation 18%, and at labor, 17%, which could become a problem whenever they decide to leave. there are a lot of folks that are retirement eligible that will be leaving in the near term. the real question is are we going to be able to attract the best talent to come in to fill those places and bluntly to do things differently than we ve been doing in the past. cost isn t the only concern as the government tries to get top talent to work for them. the nation s cyber infrastructure remains exposed to hackers. we need about 30,000 to thwart the worst kind of attack on this country. we ve only got about a thousand. reporter: experts are waiting to see how the next president addresses the aging i.t. infrastructure, but private sector companies don t have to wait for anything, like ibm action whose ceo says the company is trying to adjust to changes in tech by hiring thousands of what she calls new collar workers who don t necessarily even need college degrees.
peter, thank you. up next, why some people are worried a president donald trump has interesting communication plans. first, here s what some of our fox news affiliates around the country are covering tonight. fox carolina in greenville as lawyers for the man accused of killing nine black parishioners at a south carolina church rest their case without calling any witnesses. earlier a judge ruled they could not present evidence about dylann roof s mental health. closing arguments are planned for tomorrow. fox 8 in high point, north carolina, with the firing of a wake forest university football announcer accused of giving sensitive information to the team s opponents. tommy el rod is a former player for the school and was also a coach for 11 seasons. he was not retained when the current coach took over. this is a live look from our affiliate in san francisco, fox 2. one of the big stories there tonight, uber puts some of their self-driving cars into service there. it s an expansion of the pilot
program that started in pittsburgh in september. an uber employee is still behind the wheel to take over in case there s a problem here. customers can opt out if they prefer a human driver. would you? that s tonight s live look outside the beltway from special report. we ll be right back. generosity is its own form of power.
i m in all the way. is that understood? i don t know what she s up to, but it s not good. can t the world be my noodles and butter? get your mind out of the gutter. mornings are for coffee and contemplation. that was a really profound observation. you got a mean case of the detox blues. don t start a war you know you re going to lose. finally you can now find all of netflix in the same place as all your other entertainment. on xfinity x1. tonight we continue our series on the first 100 days of the donald trump presidency. with one of his signature campaign rallying points. early and often the republican nominee took aim at president obama s legacy nuclear deal with iran. but trump also hinted he would not just tear up that deal, so now the question is what will the new president do about the nuclear deal and is there room for a detente with iran beyond
the deal? chief washington correspondent james rosen reports. reporter: born in iran, an accomplished lecturer and the author of three books in he sees some prospects under the next president for improved relations between washington and his ancestral persian homeland. if nothing else, mr. trump, he does represent american pragmatism. he will cut deals. he will sit down with friend and foe and try to come up with the best deals. reporter: in the years since the iranian regime the united states along with five other nations implemented a deal, including huge infusions of cash. at the same time iran s military has harassed the u.s. military.
ramped up ballistic missile testing, intervened to prop up the assad regime in syria, continued funding hamas and hezbollah and reaffirmed undying hostility to the nation it calls the great satan. most analysts believe in his first 100 days in office the next president will make swift demonstration to his changing the relationship. the nuclear chord at the heart, never having been ratified by congress, is at once the easiest thing to change and the most far reaching. as a candidate, donald trump criticized it bitterly. this is one of the worst deals ever made by any country in history. the deal with iran will lead to nuclear problems. all they have to do is sit back ten years and they don t have to do much and they re going to get nuclear. reporter: but he has also signalled he doesn t intend to walk away from the deal. to ri deal. i ve taken over some bad contracts. i would police that contract so
tough that they don t have a chance, as bad as the contract is, i will be so tough on that contract. reporter: the secretary of state who negotiated the iran deal hinting ehintinged to repo brussels that president obama in attempting to persuade his successor not to scrap the deal thought there was some headway. there were aspects of it that were constructive and positive and worthwhile and maybe should be held onto. reporter: iranes president has warned tehran will not allow mr. trump to weaken or abandon the deal. the state department acknowledged iran has no such power. they cannot prevent any party from walking away. the counter argument is why would anyone walk away because it s effective. reporter: outside of the nuclear deal, it is the raging civil war and humanitarian catastrophe in syria that may offer the new president
coordination with iran. the president-elect has vowed to work with the kremlin to resolve that conflict. alan parsa for one says mr. trump may recognize a bit of himself in his adversaries in iran. iranians have shown themselves to be rather pragmatic in many, many areaare and as mr. trump has said they re good deal makers too. reporter: even if he intends to quiet things down between the u.s. and iran, mr. trump will soon find his hand forced by events. members of congress have proposed close to three dozen sanctions bills and the new president will have to issue new waivers for the nuclear deal to continue, if of course mr. trump is of a mind to keep it. james, thank you. our 15-part series looking ahead to the first 100 days of the trump presidency continues tomorrow with the president-elect s plans for tax cuts and simplification of the tax code. if you miss any of the reports,
you can check them all out on foxnews.com/specialreport. president trump s critics have something new to worry about tonight. it involves the decades-old effort to spread democracy to other nations through the media. howard kurtz is here tonight with some big changes for agency lgs su agencies such as the voice of america. reporter: politico says that trump will take over an office that could turn into an unfetterred propaganda arm, a kind of trump tv that could only peddle trump approved content. trump could name the editor of breitbart news or another alt-right propagandaist to control how the u.s. is represented to the rest of the world. we re talking about naming a single chief executive to oversee the voa, radio-free europe on the other agencies that are currently battling such forces as isis propaganda and
russian cyber hacking. haven t they been around for decades? yes, but a new law is eliminating the broadcasting board of governors, it s been widely criticized add ineffective and replace it with a single ceo. that change was supported by president obama s administration, president s chairman at the board of governors, the top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee among others. the senate, by the way, could approve or reject that anybody trump nominated. i spoke to the committee chairman, ed royce, and i asked him about the furor. i think that s hysteria. as a matter of fact, there s very clear laws in place here in this legislation that put in a firewall in terms of journalistic independence. so in fact what s driving this is opposition from the bureaucracy itself. meanwhile, bret, hillary clinton herself as secretary of state testified that the broadcasting board of governors was practically defunct in terms
of being able to sell a message to the world. congressman royce introduced this legislation last year, virtually no news coverage. only since trump s election have news organizations seized on it, suggesting, possibly, a double standard. howie, thank you. the election of donald trump has many in the united nations worried about big changes in the u.s. attitude toward that organization. president-elect trump has made no secret of his disdain for the u.n. and the global group has just sworn in a new secretary general who is promising what he calls management reform. senior correspondent eric shawn looks at that situation tonight. the united nations is not a friend of democracy. it s not a friend to freedom. it s not a friend even to the united states of america. reporter: donald trump clearly no fan of the united nations. the president-elect s views are at odds with the world body on a variety of pressing issues, from its support of the iran nuclear
deal, climate change initiatives and resettling refugees. the overwhelming feeling among most members was that barack obama was their kind of u.s. president, so i think it will be a different reception. but i think the whole point of the idea of making america great again is to reassert ourselves, especially in bodies like the united nations. reporter: former u.n. ambassador john bolden who has talked to mr. trump about joining the administration predicts the president-elect will take a hard stance at the u.n. he says the almost $3 billion american taxpayers paid this year alone, the most of any nation, could be cut. i think a good, hard look at the u.n. budget is long overdue. i wouldn t be at all surprised if a president trump once in office does pay particular attention to it. it s total insanity. reporter: that was the undiplomatic opinion of mr. trump a decade ago when we sat down to discuss the multi
billion dollar renovation. he testified about it to congress and accused the u.n. of overspending. it is either the most corrupt thing going on in the world, which is saying something, or it s one of the most incompetent things i ve ever seen. reporter: mr. trump has tapped republican south carolina governor nikki haley as his choice for juu.n. ambassador. i think there s a lot of day-to-day issues that she doesn t know about. the problem that nikki haley is going to face is that many of the other countries delegates are people that have been there for a very long time, like her counterpart from russia has been there for ten years. reporter: a possible preview of what governor haley could face came in a september speech by the u.n. commissioner for human rights. he compared the rhetoric from mr. trump and others that he called populist, demagogues and clever cheats to the propaganda of isis. some breaking news now. the house intelligence committee chairman is not happy at all that the intelligence agencies
have refused to provide anybody for that committee hearing on alleged russian hacking. devon nunez replacing a statement. it is unacceptable that the intelligence community directors would not fulfill the house intelligence committee s request to be briefed tomorrow on the cyber attacks that occurred during the presidential campaign. the legislative branch is constitutionally vested with oversight responsibility of executive branch s agencies which are obligated to comply with our requests. the committee is deeply concerned that intrance jents in sharing intelligence with congress can enable the manipulation for political purposes. we will talk about more of this with the panel in just a moment. many of you are hopeful and optimistic, some of you are scared. we will talk about all of the fox news polls as well, since donald trump won the election, and that breaking news about the intelligence agencies giving the stiff arm to the house intelligence committee when the panel joins me after a break.
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did we have our hair on fire that hacking took place? no. i mean that s what happens. if he can discredit the integrity of what we do here in the voting process and electing folks, he is winning. we have the president-elect of the united states publicly condemning the intelligence services on which he will have to rely as president. if i m running that covert action, i m putting it in the win column. it s quite possible that the republican party has been exploited and donald trump himself might have been exploited over the years by russian intelligence. so a lot of talk about the alleged hacking and what it meant for the election, as the breaking news we just brought to you, that the intel agencies are not providing any briefers to the house intelligence committee and the chairman, devon nunez,
being very upset about that. this is new fox news polls coming out on this issue. russia s attempts to influence the 2016 presidential election helped donald trump and there you see all voters 32%, hillary clinton 1%, no effect 59%. of course clinton voters a much different take on all of that. donald trump s dealings with china and russia. here you see the breakdown in the fox poll. too accommodating to russia, 50%. too confrontational with china, 43%. interesting findings there. finally overall, the opinion of donald trump as it stands now, according to our latest polls, favorable, unfavorable, 47-51. you can see a big jump as far as where it stood at the beginning of november at election time. let s bring in our panel. steve hayes, senior writer for the weekly had is it. maura elison of national public radio and guy benson, political editor at townhall.com, charles
hurt, political columnist for the washington times. steve, first of all, congratulations. you have a new title. i do have a new title. and said title is? editor in chief of the weekly standard. thank you very much, we will put that up. congratulations. the thoughts about the nunez development and the fact that the intel agencies are not providing briefings to what he wanted a hearing on this russian hacking. pretty extraordinary that they would deny briefings. from what i understand it was a denial of the requested briefings rather than just not being responsive. they have said no, they re not going to provide the briefing. you know, the statement that you read from devon nunez, he s not someone who is prone to anger. that was steaming anger coming from him, especially the suggestion that this could be the politiciization of intelligence. i think the context that you ve seen in the minds of many republicans, including on the oversight committees.
over the years, particularly at the cia throughout the obama administration. if you look back at the kind of intelligence products that the cia was providing to the president, it was consistent with what the president wanted to be true, particularly with respect to al qaeda, isis, the war on terror. so they were providing intelligence product that was fit to match what the president s ideological conclusions. the concern is that that s what s taking place again here. i think if the cia or people at the cia are going to be leaking these kinds of accusations, they have an obligation to go before the congressional oversight committees and explain themselves. now, having said all of that, these are very serious claims. i think there are some people who are defending the trump administration or conservatives who aren t being serious enough about the potential russian intervention in the u.s. election. okay, maura, so here you have this story, the washington post does it first, that the cia believes that the russians
hacked in order to help donald trump. you have clearly some intel agencies that are not on the same page when it comes to this. right. now, nunez is trying to figure this out and he calls this committee hearing and gets the heisman award from the intel agencies, we re not going. now, how are the electors who are asking for intel briefings to feel confident about that to me is inexplicable. put aside the dissention about the motive. there is one thing that is almost unanimous, which is that russia accounted hacked. russia wanted to sow doubts among americans about their own electoral process. that s a real cyber attack and it s really serious. that s something that donald trump, so far the only prominent american that we know of, who has completely rejected that finding that russia hacked. as a matter of fact, he said it could have been a 400-pound guy
sitting somewhere. lindsey graham said it might have been a 400-pound guy but it was a 400-pound russian guy. i don t know why they didn t brief. there are going to be hearings on this. they briefed them in october. they briefed congress in october. they briefed november 17th. here is the director of national intelligence, clapper. as far as the wikileaks connection, the evidence there is not as strong and we don t have good insight into the sequencing of the releases or when the data may have been provided. is he off script there, guy? what s going on? who knows. anyone s guess is as good as mine. i think that there has to be an answer here from the intelligence community. when you re brought forward and congress asks to hear from you and the relevant oversight committee wants to hear, there s a lot of noise out there, there s a lot of allegations flying back and forth, the
motives are unclear, differences in opinion among various agencies, when congress asks you to show up and explain yourself on some level and you say no, the american people have to ask the question, i don t care if you re a republican or democrat, why on earth can they say that. not just why are they saying it, why can they say that. at some point they need to show up and answer questions. meanwhile the white house, josh earnest from the podium is getting a little more aggressive when it comes to this topic. a whole lot more. i think that s a very important thing to remember. obviously the accusations are very serious. if russia attempted or succeeded in any way to sort of interfere with our american elections, that s a very serious issue and we need to get to the bottom of it without fear of favor of any politician. but on the other hand, you do have a sitting president right now who should be overseeing all of this and he s not doing much to help add clarity to all of it. i can t help but get the feeling
that he himself has contributed to the politicization of intelligence. how will history judge donald trump s presidency. you see the breakdown, one of the greatest, 11%, above average, one of the worst 31%. describe the election outcome feelings. 59% say hopeful, 50% said relieved. i think a lot of people covering the election. maura, what do you finding striking about these poll numbers? i m not sure what i make about the outcome, maybe it just means that it s over. that s subject to interpretation. but what i find striking is just the basic favorable/unfavorable. donald trump s favorable is now about his ballot. it should be higher. when you compare him to past presidents at this time, usually you get a bounce after you win. you usually don t have as much negative coverage either.
that s true, but usually you don t win in such a stunning way. this was a real upset. and you d think that he d get a bounce from that. but he didn t. so that s one thing that i think is really interesting. but it has been trending up, so we ll see if that trend continues. i think he did bounce. the only thing is he bounced those people are above their ballots. there was never going to be a big honeymoon period for the next president, regardless of who won, because these were unpopular people. the number bret, you mentioned, 59% of americans saying they re hopeful moving forward after the election. to me that s an opportunity for donald trump. this has been a very nasty cycle with a lot of strong feelings on all sides, acrimony, bitterness, and yet hopeful is the number one answer from the american people. if he can capture some of that and move forward, he can maybe gain some more political capital, to your point. and the other one, 68% of americans believe donald trump will repeal obamacare, that has to be a priority. jobs, jobs, jobs, he said in
the speech in wisconsin, steve, and today he met at trump tower with the tech community, a summit in which he said we ll do anything that you need, give me a call or give somebody in my administration a call if you have any issues. yeah, he said there wasn t a strict chain of command. call in and we ll take care of you. look, he s made very clear that he wants jobs to be a priority. one of the things that we ve seen him do early in his pre-presidential period is the pr of jobs. and whether you re talking about carrier, whether you re talking about meetings like this, this is showing america, americans are going to go home and see it on their news, watch shows like this and say donald trump is doing something about jobs. you know, part of the reason he won was because of the things that he said about the economy. showing that he s making progress, that he s actually checked in, tuned in to what people s priorities and concerns are, as guy says he could take advantage of that hopefulness. next up, the obama
administration takes one final shot at global warming skeptics.
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science. we have seen a lot of the science absolutely start running amuck. the interior secretary for the obama administration sally jewel. did you all know who the interior secretary was? be honest. that s why when you talk about all these choices in months from now we will all be asking those questions about the trump administration. she was asking a final push to imploring scientists to confront so-called climate change deniers. this after the trump transition team asked the energy department s e.p.a. staff to see who was working on the efforts to reduce carbon emissions. we re back with our panel. charlie, about this push. it s not a shocking argument to say that a lot of this climate change stuff has become something of a religion on the left. and it s a religion within the e.p.a. and the energy department. and i think that, you know, obviously, the cabinet are
doing their best to kind of frighten voters about this request for the names and the work of some of these people. but, you know, when trump said i think this is a scam for a lot of people to make a lot of money. in the meantime china is eating our lunch. he said that before the election. and he won the election. and people knew exactly where he stood on this people should give the donald trump some room to make good on his promises. in the environment community though, mara, the trump nomination so far, the scott pruitt for e.p.a. administrator and rick perry for energy secretary they frankly scare people. they do. the environmental community takes him at his word. he doesn t believe co 2 emissions have anything to do with global warning emissions at all.
and scott pruitt seems to aagree with him. i don t know about rick perry on that particular question it sounds like if that s the case, even though donald trump has also sent conflicting signals he says he has an open mind. i think at some point you have to either decide to accept the 99% consensus of scientists that man contributes to it or not and the paris climate accord and what he wants to do. i think you can still be for all the above energy policy and also want to do something about global warming. is there a nuances position in between that you want to do something but you don t want it to kill american businesses? yeah. and that s a policy disagreement. i think everyone should be in favor of political noninterference when it comes to science. but the problem that i have is that this often is attacked as a phenomenon that only occurs in one direction. it s those right wing denialist who are minting thingmintmanipulating things. when the left does it do it
pretty frequently when it fits their agenda whether on pipelines or things like that. i would commend to our viewers a really good wall street journal op-ed earlier this month by a scientist by the university of colorado it was entitled my unhappy life as a climate haiherheretic. he believes in the carbon tax and supports that remedy for the problem that he sees. his one heresy was he doesn t believe that climate change contributes to an increase in severe weather events. and for that sin, that thought crime based on evidence that he saw, he has been shunned and shamed and, in fact, called out by the obama white house. so this does happen on both ends. and let s not pretend otherwise. right. let s be clear, steve, that the left for all the talk about being open and transparent and free-thinking and lots of thoughts out there, this is strict. if you are not this way
100 percent, you are out in the cold, pardon the pun. that s exactly right. what it does is have the effect of foreclosing debate. if it s the case that the science is so clear and that anybody who denied or even raises questions would be immediately exposed as an idiot, they should welcome the debate. too often what they do is they use these names, the denialist to foreclose the debate. that s exactly the wrong thing to do. you see it from the left quite a bit. that said, the trump administration, i think, shouldn t have sent this questionnaire. they were smart to disavow it because it looks there like they are trying to foreclose debate. his talk about this. the president-elect has evolved from candidate to president-elect. take a listen. i think it s a big scam for a lot of people to make a lot of money. in the meantime, china is eating our lunch because they don t partake in all of the rules and regulations that we do. where are you on the environment? i m still open-minded.
nobody really knows. so people jumped on him after he said the open-minded thing. but then he turned around and invited al gore and leo decaprio into trump tower to talk to him and everything and then picked rick perry. that doesn t mean he isn t pt pruitt. bill gates has people pulling their hair out that he said. this. in the same way that president kennedy talked about the space mission and got the country behind that, i think that whether it s education or stopping epidemics, there can be a very upbeat message that his administration is going to organize things, get rid of regular go tore barriers and have american leadership through innovation. reference jfk there. he has a big fund on this. he is starting big, big investments into energy innovation. that is it for the panel.
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spoke with sergey kislyak last july. it was during these conversations, i m told by j.d. gordon, they talked about improving relations between the u.s. and russia. it was dur thag time, erin, that j.d. gordon says he went to the convention, advocating on behalf of the campaign for language in the gop platform that advocated against the arming of the ukrainians in their fights against the prorussian rebels. that is something the trump campaign denied they were doing at the time. it denied it was advocating for that language in the gop platform. flash forward to december and according to a senior administration official, the president s son-in-law, jared kushner and the former security adviser, michael flynn, wret with the ambassador during a previously undisclosed meeting.
james comey was making the rounds with house members. democrats were not happy when the top democrat, adam schiff, who believes comey was not forthcoming on key details in the investigation into russia and the contacts between russian officials that happened with the trump campaign associates and because of comy s refusal, calling for a special prosecutor to look into this. i asked do you agree with schiff and he shook his head and said no. thank you very much. congressman, good to have you with me. i want to start with the breaking news at this moment. a former trump campaign adviser saying he met with the russian ambassador during the gop investigation along with carter paige. we now know in december, that
russian ambassador came to new york, went to trump tower, met with michael flynn and jared kushner. of course we know about jeff sessions having two meetings, one outside the convention in cleveland. how big of a deal is this? it s a big deal. i think as the day has moved on, erin, it is clear the recusal is not enough thchlt is the top law enforcement officer of the nation. this is the largest law enforcement bureau in the country, over 100,000 strong. the integrity of the law enforcement in the judicial system is really at stake here. look, everybody has heard, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? and he didn t. he withheld information. today, i had various meetings and as you and i know, most members of congress, whether in the house or senate, when we meet with somebody, there s staff people there. we learned mr. sessions, senator
sessions was not alone, two staff people were there. that s what he said. there is a statute, it s very, very clear, mr. sessions, for the good of the country, for the, for our judicial system, for our law enforcement officers should simply resign, allow the deputy attorney general to pick and choose somebody with consent of the majority and minority party of the senate and elect a special prosecutor. we remember ken star. clinton didn t tell the truth, he lied, too. in the end, we got to the truth. we need to get to the truth today. look, our elections are at stake and the integrity of our elections are at stake. congressman, when we get to what really happened in the room, as you point out, he said there were a couple meetings one with more people, one with two
staffers. the staffers could be significant. the attorney general came out and said they did not talk about the election. he says that s completely and utterly false. here is what he said he did talk about with the russian ambassador, here he is. we talked about terrorism, as i recall. the subject of ukraine came up. i had the ukrainian ambassador in my office the day before to listen to him. nothing russia has done nut thag is wrong in any area and everybody else was wrong with regards to ukraine. it got to be a testy conversation at that point. he said something about inviting me to have lunch. i did not accept. he says he didn t say all of this during the hearings under oath is because the election didn t come up. that s what he thought he was being asked about.
did you talk about the election to russian officials. he said no. do you believe he s lying? i don t believe the attorney general of the united states. i think most of the american public is going to find it just not credible that the attorney general look, he the fbi reports to the attorney general. the attorney general reports to the white house. what do we know thus far? we know the white house is talking to the deputy attorney general asking him to kind of counter stories in what they call the fake media. we can t really count on the legislative branch of government because both the chairmen of the intelligence committee in the senate and the house were asked by the white house and they followed suit by countering arguments against the media. look, what we need is a special prosecutor, independent prosecutor. i think mr. sessions needs to
resign immediately because otherwise here is what happens, erin. he stays in his position and his deputy is supposed to now investigate him and investigate the son-in-law of the president of the united states. it just can t happen. let s have an independent prosecutor. when you say i don t believe the attorney general of the united states, you believe he s not telling the truth. i have to ask you about this, though. it s important to understand whether this is partisan. claire mccaskill is on the committee. no meeting with the russian ambassador ever, period. that s not true. we were able to determine that was false based on her twitter feed herself. she tweeted she met with the russian ambassador. how is that different than sessions who said he didn t bring it up because it was about
ukraine. a very big difference. he said it after he said he would tell the truth, the whole truth the whole truth, aaron, nothing but the truth. each of these, one is a lie, the other is a lie. why did he wait? why did he wait until yesterday when the washington post we know what they do. they have an incredible they have this incredible ability to tell the truth. when the truth comes forward they only admit it after they are caught red handed. look, we need our election system is at strake here. no one should interfere with the elections of the united states of america. you spoke about former general flynn. they lie, they lie, they lie until they could not lie anymore. the only way, the difference is he was under oath. when you lie under oath, that s called perjury and you go to jail for doing that. all right, congressman, i
appreciate your time. thank you very much. thank you. next, we are going to talk about this russian ambassador. they believe he is a top spy and a top recruiter of spies. tonight, the russians respond to cnn. u.s. officials. stop spreading lie and false news. is it false news? we are going to go live to moscow tonight. plus, calls for jeff sessions to resign. you heard the congressman there join the list. jeanne moos with alec baldwin. i had no idea what i was going to do at 8:00. already in . companies across the state are growing the economy, with the help of the lowest taxes in decades, a talented workforce, and world-class innovations. like in plattsburgh, where the most advanced transportation is already en route.
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administration official that multiple members of trump s inner circle met with that same ambassador including the national security adviser at the time and son-in-law, jared kushner. who is the russian ambassador? they believe he is one of putin s top spies and spy recruiters. matthew chance is out front in moscow. what do we know about ambassador kislyak? reporter: well, we know he s a career diplomat, first of all. he s been the russian ambassador since 2008, which is a long time when they don t normally last that long. he served two previous stints as a diplomat in the united states as well in the 1980s, during the soviet union days. he was serving here at the united nations. before becoming the u.s. ambassador, he was the russian deputy foreign minister. he had a number of important
jobs in the russian ministry. he was the ambassador to nato and the kingdom of belgium at one point as well. he is well known in diplomatic circles and central to the efforts over the past couple decades. he s very respected in russia and respected among other diplomats as well. he s a central figure in this controversy in u.s. politics, all these individuals, michael flynn, the resigned national security adviser, jeff sessions, jared kushner, the son-in-law of donald trump have been in contact with him. cnn reporting from u.s. government officials, they believe he is a top spy and a top spy recruiter for vladimir putin. that s a significant thing to say. you asked russian foreign ministry spokesperson about this and she was aggressive in her reply. mr. kislyak is a well known,
world class diplomat who was a minister of foreign affairs in russia who communicated with americans for decades on different fields. cnn accused him of being a russian spy, recruiting u.s. officials accused him of that. stop spreading false news. that was perhaps an uncharacteristic anger there. reporter: yeah, yeah. lies and false news. we are hearing a lot from kremlin officials as well. they want to get rid of this. they are worried this escalating crisis in the united states is going to have an impact on future relations between the united states and russia. thank you, matthew chance. out front now, former cia operative bob bear and david axelrod. david, the bottom line, u.s.
intelligence believes he is one of putin s top spies and recruiters. he met with people in trump s inner circle, multiple meetings over months and months through december. is this troubling? well, look, even if you don t connect the two facts whatever role kislyak plays in terms of es plea onnage, we know there s an ongoing investigation about russian hacking into the election and potential links between the trump campaign and russia. in that environment, it s very, very curious and it raises suspicion when central figures in the trump world are secretive and unrevealing about their conversations with kislyak. we have seen it with flynn, apparently with jared kushner, who both of whom met with him in december. you would think with all that was swirling around general
flynn tharks fact would have been divulged before now. of course, general sessions sitting before the senate got a chance to answer this question. he s well aware of the senate procedures. anytime after that, he could have corrected it and he, today, had a fairly specific recollection of that conversation but very specific. couldn t come up with the fact within two weeks, two, three, four weeks after his testimony, he never corrected it. all of this just adds to an atmosphere of suspicion. i don t think it serves the administration well to have these stories keep cropping up. he went on about how they talked about religion. we played the part about ukraine and terror, but personal things. he remembered all of it. bob, we are talking about what u.s. intelligence officials tell as a top russian spy and recruiter. what do you think of the meetings between ambassador
kislyak and now turns out jared kushner and michael flynn, jer sessions and multiple other members of the national security team involved in meetings with this ambassador. frankly, if i had been in the cia and met with russian officials and not reported it in writing, i would be fired. this is just really, truly crossed the line. i don t care that he s ambassador. all the ambassadors are co-opted by the kgb. they operate and recruit. the great ames, the mole inside the cia was run by a ministry of foreign affairs official in washington, d.c. we shouldn t be confused about that. what we should be confused about is why the contacts were not
reported in writing with potential foreign intelligence services like the kgb. they are not our friends. this is just getting out of control very quick. we do need a special prosecutor, the senate intelligence committee or the house cannot handle this, it is too hot. i agree, sessions deputy shouldn t be handling there, either. david, when jeff sessions took a few questions today, to his credit, from the press, he knew they were going to be hostile. one question is, what do you think, at the time, and what did you think the motives were for wanting this meeting? he said i didn t think about it. do you think that s possible, he didn t think about it? he was a top surrogate for the trump campaign and he didn t think about why the russian ambassador wanted a meeting? well, let me say, the united states senators are not solo practitioners walking around with the cell phone making decisions on their own. they have staffs.
they have experts who are there to advise them on these things. i m sure that kislyak can t just i shouldn t say i m sure, i m not sure of anything anymore. i m sure he didn t call and say jeff, i would like to come chat with you and sessions didn t mention it to anybody. if that were the case, it would be more disturbing. the bottom line, you have this story that is unresolved about what was, if there was a level of collusion between the russians and the trump campaign, sessions was deeply involved in that campaign. now, he is, as has been mentioned today, he s suspicion in the investigation. so, there really needs to be some independent authority that can oversee this investigation, not the attorney generals department. you are both in agreement on that. bob, before we go, top spy and top recruiter, do you believe that? that is what intelligence officials are telling us
tonight. i have to see the 201 file, but that s what i m hearing, he is an operative for the kremlin. the fact that he s ambassador doesn t matter. this needs to all come out in an investigation. this is very disturbing the whole connection with russia for the next intelligence officer. thank you very much. president trump saying he has total confidence in jeff sessions standing by what was his earliest and most loyal supporter. undocumented immigrant detained and almost deported to mexico. he does not blame donald trump. working for the american people. he is not working for me. to those who know
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about his contacts with the russian ambassador. trump said he didn t believe he should recuse himself. sarah murray is out front. reporter: a defiant trump is standing by his closest ally, insisting attorney general jeff sessions has his full support. do you have confidence in him? total. should he have spoke truthfully? he probably did. reporter: the president saying he believes the attorney general testified truthfully even though sessions failed to disclose two meetings with the russian ambassador, meetings the white house learned about through media reports according to a senior administration official. when were you aware he spoke to the russian ambassador? i wasn t at all. reporter: he should recuse himself for ties, sessions did just that. i should not be involved in
investigationing a campaign i have a role in. reporter: the well of affection runs deep. sessions was the first senator to endorse the long-shot presidential candidate in february, 2016. i am pleased to endorse donald trump for the presidency of the united states. reporter: at a time when many in the gop eye trump, sessions became one of trump s biggest boosters on the campaign trail. there s one man with a strength, a courage, determination, the guts, the challenge, the thing that is are going wrong in this country and put us on the right track. that s donald j. trump. reporter: a close adviser, even flying to indiana to huddle with trump as he wrestled with who to choose as his running mate. trump repaying that loyalty soon after he won the election naming sessions to serve as attorney general. jeff understands the job of
attorney general is to serve and protect the people of the united states and that is exactly what he will do and do better than anybody else can. reporter: now, three weeks after leaving the senate and being sworn in as attorney general, one of trump s top officials is already facing calls to resign. in retrospect, i should have slowed down and said i did meet one russian official a couple times. that would be the ambassador. reporter: now, the sessions matter may be settled in the eyes of the president, but this evening, we learned about even more contacts that happened during the presidential campaign around the convention, then again in december with members of donald trump s campaign and the russian ambassador. erin, it s an indication the russia story isn t going away anytime soon and continues to cast the shadow over the white house. that s for sure, especially with the breaking news tonight. more contacts between the
russian ambassador and the inner circle. we have two guests. let me start with both of you. this is what it comes down to with attorney general sessions. when asked what he would do if evidence exists that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign spoke with the russians. here is how it went down. senator franken, i m not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate a time or two in that campaign. i did not have communications with the russians. i m unable to comment on it. okay. now, here is the attorney general today. let me be clear, i never had meetings with russian operatives or russian intermediaries about the trump campaign. my reply to the question of
senator franken was honest and correct as i understood it at the time. paul, do you buy his explanation today or did he lie to senator franken? i m stunned by it because he said today that the reason he made the mistake is because he was asked about a continuing exchange with the russians but franken didn t ask him about that. in fact, his words were, i did not have communications with the russians. it almost sounds like that statement that was made by president clinton, i didn t have sexual relations with that woman. sessions called for his impeachment. bill clinton s, right. it s astonishing in this press conference he mischaracterizes his own statement. perjury? i think it s close to the line, but not over the line. i think it s misconduct and unethical, but a hard perjury
prosecutor. misconduct, unethical, not true. what do you say, brad? i think his excuse and his reasoning for the answer he gave was very credible. what we saw in that al franken exchange is he mentioned if you look at the whole exchange and not the snippet, he mentioned continuing conversations between russian operatives and people from the trump campaign. if you see the whole exchange in totality, he s talking about hacking, talking different things about individuals speaking with the trump campaign. i can see where that answer makes sense. he s, you know, as his job, in the committee of the armed services committee, in his role, he has contact with ambassadors. this is something he didn t think of. you know, brad, brad, if i could just ask you this. in his job as attorney general, he prosecutors perjury cases. he fills out this is not perjury.
he fills out his application for the attorney general job and he lies in the application. doesn t that strike you as being misconduct at the beginning? paul, no, no. you were on the celebrity apprentice, correct? i was on the regular apprentice. i appreciate you calling me a celebrity. donald trump fired you toward the end of the show. don t you think he would have fired you sooner if you lied on your application for the show? listen, the fact is, he did not lie. this is not a lie. if al franken followed up with a question, sir, did you have, did you personally have contact with russian operatives, ambassador in your role he said did you have i mean, the thing is, if you were honest, wouldn t you say i did, but my role as armed services. today, he remembered it all. by omitting it and acting like
it didn t happen at all, it raises questions. wouldn t you acknowledge that? i don t think so. i really don t. if you look at the totality of it, look in its whole, not just a snippet about the exchange between franken and sessions, you could see where this answer makes a lot of sense. he is talking about surrogate that is had contact, continuing contact with russian officials and operatives. he would not think of this. he says i did not have communications with the russians. is there something you don t understand about that? if you see his whole statement. i was called a surrogate, once. meaning, in his role as a surrogate for trump. that is my understanding of it. you are a trial lawyer, right? you cross examine people. would you youz that i cross examine everybody.
would you use that statement in a court of law to impeach a witness on the witness stand? would i use it would you use it against sessions if he was on the witness stand in a case you were trying? that s the point. franken should have followed up. i would have used it for a follow up question. my follow up question would have been, are you saying you did not have any contact with the russians either in your official role or anything else? that would have been the question. al franken says, sir, i m not an attorney. it s very apparent he s not an attorney because his questions were horrible. the question wasn t exact. the question was answered. i think that at the time he answered that question, he answered in the best way he could. because he wasn t paying attention to the question. all right. we are going to leave it there. obviously a lot for everyone to think about. next, an undocumented immigrant deported to mexico. wait until you hear what he had
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but the system is broke. reporter: now that he is no longer in custody, he is vowing to remain with his family, making this promise to his son. i told him i was here to stay. i m not going nowhere. reporter: now, carlos is out on bond and waiting for his immigration court date, something his attorney says could take years because of the backlog in immigration courts right now. but there s something else that weighs heavy on his shoulders now. now that he is out of the shadows, he is out of a job. you probably guessed it, there s been an outpouring of support, globally for carlos. erin, there s a gofundme page that s been established. a lot of people are clicking on that page from around the world. thank you very much. certainly one of the most memorable and powerful stories we have seen on this. not what you expect in terms of his views.
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yes. if that goes away, it will have impact on profitability. reporter: iowa imports $13 billion in goods, an enormous piece of the bottom line. horrible and unfair trade deals. reporter: he is a lifelong republican, but trump s tough talk on trade sends a shiver. what s the level of uncertainty here right now? i would say it s higher if we want to rate it, higher than 50%. reporter: from his office/command center, he monitors everything from commodity to thousands of cattle and hogs. immigrants integral to keeping his 500-acre farm running. there s two or three of them here every morning to make sure the cattle get fed. that s their job. reporter: the need for labor here so great, immigrants, their work ethic and emphasis on family welcomed with open arms. my first time was 2003.
you could see no mexicans. ten years after that, you see 35% of the school population is latinos in the elementary schools. we are getting really bad dudes out of this country. reporter: carlos, now a u.s. citizen has a masters degree and married into a farm family. trump s immigration stance sends fear through the immigrant community. they are afraid they are going to take aatheir parents. reporter: trade at immigrant labor corner stones where 80% voted for donald trump. he has a simple message for the businessmen. 90-some per cent of the world population lies outside the waters of the united states. trade is a huge deal for agriculture. reporter: republicans here in sioux county say there are a lot of reasons they voted for trump,
by immigration and trade are very important to them. since his address to congress on tuesday night, they feel he is becoming more traditional in terms of republicanism and he won t follow through on the tough trade talks and chasing him grants or arresting immigrants quite as hard as he said. erin? thank you, miguel. we have breaking news at this moment. donald trump, the president of the united states released a statement about the attorney general, i want to read it to you in full. jeff sessions is an honest man. he did not say anything wrong. he could have stated his response more accurately. it was not intentional. this is to save face for democrats losing an election they were supposed to win. they lost the election now their grip on reality. the real story is the illegal leaks of classified information. it is a total witch hunt, a statement from the president of the united states. david axelrod is with me.
what is your reaction? the president coming out to slam democrats, but acknowledging he could have stated his response more accurately to congress. it s important to point out given the statement, there were more than a few republicans on capitol hill who called for general sessions to recuse himself. there are more than a few republicans participating in these intelligence committee reviews who said they take it quite seriously. so, i understand the strategy, to contain the thing and turn it into a partisan issue. i think it s beyond that now. the president is going to need a different strategy moving forward. he might start with being open and honest with people about exactly what happened or didn t happen. all right. as you point out, even in the time line of flynn and spicer didn t include a meeting with the russian ambassador at trump tower. thank you, david. we ll be right back. look closely. hidden in every swing, every chip, and every putt,
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let s face it. the big show is going to be the supreme court. and i think also the planned parenthood funding. some republicans are squishy on that. one other thing he said this morning that will cause concerns on the hill from his party was talking about a border tax, instituting a border tax on companies that ship jobs overseas. that s something when he talked about that after the election, republicans were running away from that. majority leader of the house, kevin mccarthy warned it could start a trade war. paul ryan started to distance himself from that saying we ll worry about doing this in a larger tax reform bill. trump today made it very clear that he wants to go that route. as president, you do have fairly wide latitude to impose tariffs. does he carry through with some of those threats? i agree with karen. a lot of stuff is symbolic.
we knew tpp was dead. a symbolic move. when we get into details of legislative push on obamacare and supreme court nominee and on doing things like the tariff, that s when things will start to really heat up. he hasn t taken any dramatic steps with his own pen so far. there was talk today that might be the day that he starts moving the u.s. embassy to jerusalem as of this hour it hasn t happened and may not happen today. and we haven t seen any action regarding deferred action for childhood arrives. immigration policy he said he would like to undo. nervousness among republicans and legislation ready to cover those kids on the hill that might move quickly should he decide to step in and do that. on deferred action for childhood arrivals, he has spoken on both sides of that issue. interesting to hear priebus suggest yesterday they may not do it through an executive action. he suggested part of a larger immigration effort. i m sure that would upset elements of his base that expect him to take a hard line on that
issue. it s a great point. in the first week, first full week, first full week people are testing because he did say many things that were either contradictory or at odds with his campaign and as he got up to speed on issues. you have latino community wondering if he s serious? will he round them up and kick them out? he said the 1950 operation, wetback, he used that term, no he s not serious about that. he s sounding tough. i m told and you re right it didn t come today or not yet that the whole week will be executive actions and events built around those executive actions to try to promote the first 100-day message and agenda. i think it will be interesting to see how far he s willing to do with some of these executive actions because part of what we know is that the hill only has so much bandwidth to respond to what donald trump has decided to do and create legislation to support. if you put an expiration date on dhaka or you try to make these
moves, that has to set the hill into action to move forward with whatever comes next and whatever will replace it. same with obamacare. what we heard from paul ryan and his conversation with trump was you got to sort of give us one big thing at a time. that s how the hill works. we can t really juggle every policy priority. it s not how donald trump works. in that vain, john mccain called the tpp a serious mistake to pull out but offers no legislative alternative. that is again the feeling out period we have with the new president who is a republican president but a lot of his ideas, john mccain s opposition there across the party. they don t agree with him on trade. they don t agree with him on pulling out of trade agreements or on opposing border tariffs. the president himself said he wants to do this country by country and negotiate better deals. the issue is first, let s go back. you saw the president at the top of the show signing the papers.
i ve been talking about this for a long time. he has about the transpacific partnership. bernie sanders moved hillary clinton against it. hillary clinton and donald trump were both against it. here s how donald trump described it during the campaign. the tpp is a horrible deal. it is a deal that will lead to nothing but trouble. it s a deal that was designed for china to come in as they always do through the backdoor and take advantage of everyone. now, his critics and proponents of the deal went crazy after that statement because that s not what it was designed to do. it was a coalition of 12 nations designed to counter china because china is an economic force in the region. so now you have australia and japan not happy with this. it s not just republicans in the united states senate or corporate interests here in the
united states. our alleies are saying why? if this does not take effect, it could lead to china becoming more powerful and not have the have the opposite impact of what president trump wants. it will be interesting to see how people like paul ryan respond to this. paul ryan distanced himself from tpp during the campaign. he was instrumental in passing that legislation that had to pass before enacting tpp. he s a free trader. how does the rest of the party react? we heard john mccain say because there are those global concerns that this could empower china. this has been a moot question for a long time now. this is an argument that president obama was unable to sell to his own party. going back and debating the merits of a product that did not sell is sort of, you know, at this point pointless. ben seth, republican nebraska senator, issued a statement suggesting that. proponents of free trade failed
to make their argument and they need to regroup. interesting to see what changes he wants to make to nafta and what other sort of shots across the bow they send to china to warn them they are on different footing with this administration. you mentioned nafta. that s next for the president. he said it would rip it up during the campaign. now he says he ll renegotiate it. meetings planned with prime minister of canada and president of mexico and will renegotiate it. a kinder, gentle approach. more diplomatic. i think he s handled that one in a way that s turned the temperature down a little bit because it was negotiated in the 1990s. we didn t have so many robots and factories back then. why not renegotiate. it sounds better to our partners to the north and south than rip it up. or modernize. that sounds good to people on the hill and friends on k street and everyone can agree that a deal you sign back then maybe doesn t translate so well in 2017. aspirationally. we ll see how those conversations go. everybody sit tight. up next, the new president makes
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american families. that blunt talk is all the buzz in global capital. leaders wonder just what it means when it comes to big economic and security issues. we re getting a few early clues. the president spoke over the weekend with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. they say the new administration will proceed cautiously. slowly. the question as you mentioned earlier on, this is one of the other areas where he s upending the apple court. what does that mean, slowly and cautiously? there are ramifications of doing this. one is inciting a lot of violence in the middle east, undermining whatever efforts are under way for mid east peace and undermining the united states standing in the region. this is something that they are going to have to proceed cautiously with, and i think this is another example of the difference between what you campaign on and what you govern
on. word out of israel though is that prime minister netanyahu who wants the united states to do this but even he said just be careful how you do this. i want it to be the end result, but let s be careful. the other thing in that regard is what to do about the iran deal that netanyahu so aggressively campaigned for the united states to block and trump suggested that he would rip up right away calling it the worst deal that was ever negotiated but the problem is some members of his cabinet, club general james matis, secretary of defense, suggesting it s not so easy to pull out and the deal is being implemented. campaign on one thing but when realities of governing set in, that changes your approach. every president goes through that. candidate trump was so america first. all my decisions we base on america first. how much of a difference will we see? this week is with president may
of the u.k. she s going to meet with republican lawmakers at their retreat. so there s another one there. he was a big fan of the brexit. she now has a huge challenge getting her country out of the european union and what she wants from the new president is one thing he s skeptical about, a trade deal. can he give her what she needs to go home with or will they do that quickly as possible? issue one is demonstrate that we can pull out of europe but remain the special relations with the united states and we ll see whether she can get that from him. it is notable that she s meeting with lawmakers. most of the time world leaders don t do it in such a way that she s going to philadelphia for that. it s stunning from what he said on friday afternoon through today how much of the world order really just has to be looking at this and going we really don t know what to expect right now. the news he just made in the last hour will undoubtedly be royal markets when they open
again in asia overnight and a lot of those leaders must be really thinking how do we get through to these guys and say is there any chance that we can reopen this? can we try again? donald trump would argue that this sort of uncertainty was exactly what he was trying to create. he kept saying over and over, i like to be unpredictable. here we are. he thinks it helps him in negotiations too. peop if people are on edge, he thinks it helps him get a better deal. he must feel that way as he goes into conversations with the uk as well. he feels like he has an upper hand because president obama said they would be sent to the back of the line. donald trump did not say that in the wake of brexit. he said today i m not opposed to negotiating new trade deals. he certainly feels like if he goes into a unilateral trade deal, especially at this moment with the uk, he feels like he has the upper hand and can get a better deal.
did everyone spend the weekend studying the constitution and the emolument clause? this lawsuit filed says donald trump is in violation of the constitution. it says the president is in violation because the constitution prevents the president from coming under the influence of foreign governments. taking money from foreign governments. the lawsuit argues that because he has his hotels. because he still has other business arrangements around the world and that foreign governments spend money in those hotels or do transactions with his businesses in some way, that he is in violation. here s how one of the lawyers who helped file the suit, historical reference here, listen to why they explain why donald trump is wrong. he is in violation of the constitution if he s receiving payments from overseas from foreign governments or from corporations controlled by foreign governments and this goes right back to the tent of the founders. what was the point of having a tea party and throwing king george s tea into boston harbor if you re going to have a president who is buying and selling tea from king george?
i m not smart enough to understand the legal merits of this. i always love references to my hometown and the tea party. there s a supreme court with a bunch of strict constitutionalists on it. you wonder how they might rule. the president says he separated himself from his business. stories that paperwork on that hasn t been filed. a spokeswoman says he has separated himself from his business. we need to see paperwork filed to confirm that s true. beyond how this comes out and what the final legal is, we lived through clinton years. we know that having a lawsuit out there means things like depositions. it means having to disclose things. so how the judge the degree to which they let this if they give these guys standing, a lot of people see this as proxy back door to get his taxes. if you re trying to get into foreign payments and the like and you get into the deposition phase, you demand donald trump s taxes so the first question is
do they have legal standing? this is the avenue that the liberal groups which are pushing this lawsuit are going to proceed on the courts. they re not going to get much action in congress to oversee a lot of things business dealings and conflicts of interest and so if they do gain some traction there, it could be potentially problematic because that s really the only effort to have some accountability and recourse against the administration. waiting for the first tweet against activist judges. next, the lesson of a fascinating weekend for women that turned out in huge numbers to march and the new white house and its alternative facts. boost
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the globe. the boss liked it. then trump counselor kelly wallace kellyann conway took this leap. why come out to the podium and utter a falsehood. don t be so overly dramatic about it, chuck. you re saying it s a falsehood. they re giving sean spicer alternative facts to that. the facts he uttered were not true. alternative facts are not facts. they re falsehoods. i don t want to be overly dramatic about this to borrow a phrase there. we get silly when we worry about ourselves and how the president and his team interact with the news media. the idea that you can when you are the president or speak for
the president and standing in the white house, which is owned by the taxpayers, speak alternative facts meaning deliberately say things that you know not to be true, that gets dangerous. crowd size. who cares. that will be behind us in a few days. what if it s about policy? what if it s about foreign relations? can iran come forward with alternative facts about its nuclear program? i think that s one of the things that white house reporters are not it s not abnormal to have an adversarial relationship with your sources. some days are better than others. i do think it s a question of sean spicer is supposed to be the bridge between the government that people elected and the free press which shares with the american people what this government is doing. so there is a certain level of honesty the american people have to be able to get from the person in that role. it doesn t really matter when it comes to crowd size, but it does matter when we talk about a
terrorist attack. it does matter when we talk about moving american ships. it does matter when we talk about a number of these other issues that are imperative in the coming years. that s what s concerning about this. it s worth pointing out that he s now in a position where the american people are paying his salary. it s not the trump campaign. it s not the rnc. i actually thought the single most unsettling, chilling part of the entire performance was after he spews out essentially a firehose of misinformation, he says this is what you should be reporting and covering. and for someone in his first outing at that lectern to stand there in a society with a free press and a government official ordering them what to be reporting and covering is it s just so far beyond the norm. we all know sean. he s not new here. let s just say he was told to say that and we know that from
reporting to be true. i don t think he personally believes in that. he took this job and his credibility is at stake. let s listen to the president himself. the president went to cia headquarters and as part of his speech there, he discussed his running war with people like us. as you know, i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. [ applause ] they sort of made it sound like i had a feud with the intelligence community. i just want to let you know the reason you re the number one stop is exactly the opposite. now, of course that s not true. that s not true. he started the fight with the intelligence community with his words and his tweets including at one point saying they re like nazi, germany, they were leaking on him.
let s leave that aside. we did learn in the campaign if donald trump disagrees with you or thinks that you are a threat to him like his opponents, he tries to undermine you. is that what he s doing? essentially if you don t hear it from me, it s not true? they re trying to tarnish the credibility of the news media. as any president will experience, most of the press is negative press. y you get pretty hostile adversarial relationship with the press corps that does investigate on things you re not doing that you promise on the campaign trail and conflicts of interest, et cetera, and trump had his fair share of bad press. if he can say that everything we re saying is not accurate, perhaps what he s saying that no one will listen to us and listen to him. that s what they hope. he needs an enemy. he s fully aware that the press isn t in great standing with the american people. we can t worry about our popularity. neither is he. that s what all of this is
about. from everything he signed today to everything he said over the weekend, it s designed to shore up his base of support. pretty soon that may be all he has. he went into the presidency last week with a rating no bigger than the 40s. the worst rating of any new president in modern history. if he starts to lose that even more, it s going to be very difficult for him to get done in the next few weeks and months, so he went after us because we re just as unpopular as congress these days frankly. that s fine. we ll continue doing our jobs. he s got to do his which means throwing us under a bus. one thing i will say in their defense which is a difficult thing to say after that sean spicer briefing and falsehoods, today they do have their reporters at the white house and letting them in to see the executive orders and that part is encouraging. this is still the people s house and press should still be let in to broadcast to the american people at least a part of what he s doing in the white house. that part is encouraging. it s a feeling out process shall we say early on. we ll see how this goes.
so many fascinating moments over the weekend in the early days of the new administration. one of them was the president had a reception for first responders and law enforcement. among those there, the fbi director. you might remember his fight with the intelligence community started over these reports that the intelligence community, including the fbi director, had presented him with alleged russian compromising information but so james comey, the fbi director, is in the room and donald trump decides he wants to greet him. jim is more famous than me. [ applause ] what makes this moment rather delicious is the democrats are furious at james comey for how he handled the clinton e-mail situation during the campaign but we know as the fbi as we speak investigating possible contacts between trump associates and the russian government during the campaign. so here you have the fbi director getting called out by
the president of the united states whose associates are under investigation. i don t think comey liked that probably. it undermine his credibility among liberals and democrats who don t believe he has any credibility left. it really reminds folks of the bill clinton meeting with loretta lynch on the tarmac in the middle of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. people will point back to this moment if they don t like the results of this investigation. there s a question about whether comey stays even. a dispute about who was hugging who there? clear the president was pulling in the director. it s a fun early days here in this new one. up next, a big week for team trump on capitol hill beginning with today s debate about whether the new president is trying to bring back waterboa back waterboarding. remove 4 times more stains than detergent alone. mthat stuff only lasts a few hours.
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law. much different than what he said at the hearing. absolutely he would not go forward with waterboarding and emphatic about that. he will be confirmed tonight. the question is rex tillerson good news? tonight marco rubio saying he would suggest tillerson s nomination. interesting to see what will happen with the budget director nominee who has his confirmation hearing tomorrow. he has some tax issues. didn t pay taxes for several years on a household employee and acknowledged that and tom price heading to second round of confirmation hearings tomorrow for health and human services secretary. so trump may get some nominees confirmed. not on the time line he wants. we ll see the impact that has on the rest of his objective. you mentioned rex tillerson. marco rubio was the big obstacle
because he said he had a lot of concerns that he was too soft on russia. other concerns. wanted commitments on cuba policy. hamlet played out and on facebook today senator rubio said this. given the uncertainty that exists at home and abroad about the direction of our foreign policy, it would be against our national interest to have this confirmation unnecessarily delayed so despite my reservations i ll support mr. tillerson s nomination. a distraction to unnecessarily delay or embroil, why not say i have reservations but it would be a dristraction. he s marco rubio. he lives for the attention. we all say it. that s what he does. he tries to do this. sticks his head out a little bit and pulls back and becomes a good soldier here again. he got out far on the limb here during that hearing. he was going after tillerson probably more than most democrats even on the committee. that s what suggested he could
vote against tillerson but his aides said he had a private meeting with tillerson last week and they discussed these issues. 90-minute meeting. a blunt meeting. a hundred written questions and answers. perhaps some of his questions were alleviated. it does feed a lot of criticism of the way rubio played this. attention will shift to other nominees now that tillerson is through. we may see the confirmation of elaine choi. pompeo will go tonight. democrats keep honing in on betsy devobets betsy devos. democrats are asking for another hearing saying now that we ve seen her ethics paperwork released friday night in the middle of the inaugural festivities, they found
problems. this is all democrats can do is try to delay things as long as possible because now you only need 51 senators. republicans have 52. there s no sign of republican opposition. the quick confirmations were general mattis for defense department and general kelly for homeland security and nikki haley moving through noncontroversial picks. you mentioned mccain skeptical of tillerson has come around. he talked to him several times and tillerson sounds tougher when it comes to russia than president trump does. george stephanopoulos asked this question. i have the utmost confidence in general flynn, general kelly, dan coats. i couldn t have picked a better team. i m confident that he will listen to them and be guided by them. you say you have utmost confidence in his team.
do you have utmost confidence in donald trump? i do not know. he has made so many comments that are contradictory. this is sort of one of the defining themes of the early weeks of the trump administration. leadi leading figures in his own party say i don t know. consistency is not the hallmark of donald trump style. you brought up waterboarding a few moments ago. even on that issue donald trump told the new york times almost immediately after the election that general mattis sort of made him rethink this. maybe it doesn t work so well. and when you listen to some of these confirmation hearings, rex tillerson said during his confirmation hearing that he and donald trump had never discussed russia. that his department of he s only the secretary of state. his department of homeland security chief is not part of the immigration discussions. it s extraordinary. people don t know who donald trump is going to listen to
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from their notebooks. sara murray? we know the trump administration is woefully understaffed at the moment. they re working to staff up. as they struggle to do this, donald trump had some of his own policies to blame for the fact that it s hard to find employees like officially saying we ll pull out of tpp and saying he wants to renegotiate nafta. when it comes to trying to hire for top spots in places like treasury, republicans say no thanks. i m going to pass. they feel like they cannot go out there and defend donald trump s economic policies. they believe it s an isolationist agenda. even though republicans are in the white house, they can t bring themselves to join the administration. ed? we had that big march on washington this weekend organized by various women s groups. not organized by the democratic party but a lot of big stars that may think about 2020 were there. interesting to see them show up. remember, these tea party rallies began a few years back
were proving ground for a lot of folks that got elected into congress and elected governor in some states if these keep up would be interesting to watch. one thing i found interesting. only one official congressional candidate on the official list of speakers. a woman who is running in the 13-person democratic primary in los angeles to replace the candidate who becomes california attorney general. fun, fun, fun. like it or not, the 2018 midterm cycle is upon us and that means the retirement watch is upon us too. a number of senate democrats and republicans, people looking at possibly not running for re-election including some veterans like dianne feinstein of california, orrin hatch of utah, bill nelson of florida, all coming to the top of the list. feinstein i asked specifically about that. she said she dodged a question
when i asked hatch who said he would retire after his last re-election and now suggesting he may run again saying that he s getting encouragement to run again and bill nelson is running like a jackrabbit. people can change their minds but one person to also look out for is bob menendez indicted on corruption charges running for re-election at this point. we ll see if that changes if that indictment turns into a conviction. no youth movement in the united states senate is what you re trying to say. karen? mine is a reminder in president trump s news conference a couple weeks ago he said he would have a supreme court nominee ready for us within a few weeks. the size of this fight is going to dwarf anything that we have seen. this really is going to be his test among other people the evangelicals who sort of put aside what they don t like about his personal life and what they don t like about his past positions because to them the
supreme court was everything. i think for a lot of these people that we saw marching on saturday, the same could be argued. that s a great point. democrats still mad the senate wouldn t consider president obama s picks. there could be playback there. i ll close with this. sometimes silence speaks volumes. take major business groups like the chamber of commerce. most big business organizations are supporters of the trade agreements president trump plans to abandon but largely silents the president takes the first big steps in enacting his america first promises. one reason, they like other parts of the trump agenda like slashing corporate taxes and regulations and they hope republican allies in congress will prevent the trump white house from enacting that border tax the president talked about this morning. there s another big reason too. trump loves getting into fights with establishment groups so keeping quiet, not provoking a trump counterpunch is viewed as the smart tragedy early on.
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we will see you back here in an hour. outnumbered search right now sandra: a big test for republicans on capitol hill today where the house right now is debating. the revamped bill to repeal and replace obamacare, i have a vote, expected in the next hour. this may be a nail-biter, but republicans believe they can pull out a win and deliver on a top priority for president trump. this is outnumbered. i m sandra smith. here today, harris faulkner, meghan mccain, former deputy spokesperson for the state department under president obama, marie harper, and today s #oneluckyguy, the opinion page editor for the washington times, charlie hurt is here and he is outnumbered on a seriously busy news day. let s get started. the magic number, 216. that s how many votes republicans need to send the replacement for obamacare to the
yes, it s gone through. that doesn t mean when the bill gets to the senate it s going to be complete they gutted. sandra: republicans could claim victory here. you have the $8 billions added to the bill yesterday. that s when a couple no votes to yes. they can at least claim victory if this passes in the house. marie: here s what should be concerning. independent experts who have seen part of this bill have said this bill will still drive up premiums, it will stemming people s coverage. pre-existing conditions will not be covered like they are now, and when tom price goes out there and says all these things that everyone else is saying aren t true, that s a huge gamble with people s lives and what politics going into 2018. republicans are doing exactly what they accused us of doing in 2010. they re pushing a bill through very fast, no cbo score.
charlie: absolutely. again, this is where my primary objection is. i don t support any obamacare or obamacare lite. the federal government does do a good job of running the post office. if they are going to come up with something, i want all 435 to be working on it. i m not going to like what they come up with no matter what. harris: where are they? marie: part of the problem is the g.o.p. did not post the bill until 8:00 p.m. last night. the g.o.p. in 2010 said as nancy pelosi going to vote so what on something without seeing it? what s the rush? calm down, bring on the democrats, show us the bill, talk to these high-risk pools who have had some issues. if you want democrats involved, takes up to show that. meghan: they don t want democrats involved.
replacing, which is possibly an option and was probably going to happen. sandra: this debate is happening right now. pictures on capitol hill. charlie, can you walk us through what you ll be watching? charlie: as you pointed out earlier, 216 is a number we are looking for. it is going to be a nail-biter. going back to your point about regular order, which i would say didn t do this in regular order. if democrats republicans are laying democrats off the hook for this disaster. that troubles me. what i would find very interesting is if this were going through more regular order, whether democrats i don t think they would, whether they could form an absolute harris: republicans would have to lose 21 votes. that s a lot.
democrats don t like walls, that would create a wall. sandra: just moments ago, president trump, as you saw, signing an executive order on religious liberty which relaxes rules against churches that promote portable candidates. whether this went for social conservatives can hold up in court. plus you may be surprised, hillary clinton after blaming james comey and wikileaks were her election loss. the latest fallout. and go to our live chat by clicking the overtime tab at foxnews.com/outnumbered or go to facebook.com/outnumbered fnc. of course you can also tweet us, we ve got our phones. meghan: marie has an announcement coming. you don t let anything
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of course, goes on to the senate. we will keep a close watch on i it. moments ago, president trump signed an executive order on religious liberty while marking the national day of prayer at the white house joined by vice president pence and religious leaders. the order he signed aims to relax rules on churches so they can support political candidates without risking losing their tax-exempt status. and it also pushes to make it easier for employers with religious objections to include birth control from the health care plan. watch. will not allow people of faith to be targeted, bullied, or silenced anymore. we will never, ever stand for religious discrimination, never, ever.
tolerance is the cornerstone of peace. harris: liberal critics are already pouncing, alleging that the executive order would allow discrimination. an aclu official is warning and he actually asserted this yesterday, if present from signs an executive order that attempts to provide a license to discriminate against women or lgbt people, we will see him in court. we can get to that in a moment, but charlie, i wanted to start at the beginning of what the president said he was wanting to do today and i was make a difference. social conservatives, did they check this as a victory? charlie: i think is a huge victory. the johnson amendment is one of these arcane laws that is not often enforced by the irs that punishes churches, people who have tax-exempt status if they stray into politics.
the problem with little enforced laws like this is that people were most concerned about following the law are the only ones actually abide by the law. then it gets very loosey-goosey on the edges. this is something that has scorched social conservatives for a long time. it is very interesting. donald trump is on a big gunner. he has guns, but he s not a hunter or anything, and he s not exactly a bible belt politician, but he made promises to those groups in the campaign and democrats did everything they could to separate those people from donald trump, he s not one of them, but they think he ll stick out for them. harris: look at the nara last week. the very early supporters among the most staunch supporters of this president. marie, some of the criticism has been that this will hold up legally and there ll be a backlash, talk to me. marie: i do think there may
be some legal challenges. we ve seen with the hobby lobby decision, particularly women, health care and birth control, that is an issue that will be challenged. i met a lawyer, i don t know how that will turn out. i m concerned about it and it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the courts. for me, i m more fundamentally uncomfortable with it because i do want to keep politics away from church. i don t need more politics in my life. i don t need to come in on sunday morning and i m uncomfortable with the notion that religious organizations endorsing candidates. i think there is no partisanship in this world and let s let our religion to be separate from that. harris: where you put those black churches who are praying for barack obama? meghan: it s not uncommon. i have seen plenty of videos on the internet where pastors of
churches were telling their congregations to vote for a specific candidate. when you re talking about this bill not being enforced, i more thinking about it this is something i thought was already going on to an extent. sandra: paul ryan responded, he said it s high time we restarted the religious right. marie: for someone meghan: i couldn t vote for a democrat for that reason alon alone. most of how i voted, at six important to me. a lot of times, i want to say politics and state stone and are stacked, it s a natural way for which it s going to. harris: this is specific, at least for my personal witnessing and some black churches where it was specific to the democratic party and such
that it was barack obama and those were running with them. charlie: all churches pray for our nationalis that step ofd getting people to go to the polls. that s the line. harris: former national security advisor susan rice is under fire for refusing to testify before a senate panel. in the unmasking of u.s. citizens during the russian investigation. nine top lawmaker says her refusal makes it seem like she has something to hide. does she? we ll talk about it. we are waiting a big vote in the house. republicans making another push to repeal and replace obamacare. they say they have the votes. stay close.
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republicans on capitol hill today. the houses expected to vote on that revamped bill to repeal and replace obamacare. that bill is expected in the next hour. we are seeing the debate happening on the floor right now. we re going to stay on this for you. big news when it happens. meghan: susan rice is a refusing to testify before a senate subcommittee. rice, declining senator lindsey graham s invitation saying it was not bipartisan. this, as lawmakers look into her election involvement unmasking citizens during the russian probe. president trump is morning tweeting to take away, not good. chuck grassley saying her toy stands in stark contrast with other high-ranking national security officials. lindsey graham invited her and then i believe the white house
came out and said i didn t extend an invitation to the democrat, so politics are not allowed to do this. such a copout. charlie: yeah, it has to be one of the worst. i have no idea what that even possibly means, but it does underscore something that is applicable about this. this whole scandal i think is the biggest crisis of the entire obama administration. i don t use that word lightly. it really is a constitutional crisis. if it were not so in view of politics, it would be a bipartisan outrage with what happened here. because it is squeezed through the plato maker of politics, everybody s taking sides as they do and nobody is searching for the plain, honest to god truth. meghan: maria, you are a former member of the cia,
doesn t this bother you? marie: here s the problem with the allegation. there has been zero evidence to back that up and in fact, bipartisan republican and democratic members will find a chance to look at those documents devin nunes was talking about came away and said we didn t see anything improper. i understand charlie: how do you explain mike flynn thing? marie: which one? there are so many i can explain to you. charlie: the fact that he was unmasked, those transcripts were revealed. marie: there could be very legitimate national security briefings that mike flynn and his conversation with russian officials, turkish officials, any of these other officials was unmasked. i m not saying that have been dori didn t, i m saying there is zero evidence to back up the
claim that this is a constitutional crisis. i want the senate to have hearings on russian interference in our election. jim comey said they are still interfering. surgeons and answer some questions. i think republicans are also using this politically. they re saying will invite her, she ll say no, then we will say she is. let s put that in the context of what russia did. harris: i want to go back to sanders question because i think it s a good one. i didn t quite hear it in your answer. i understand what you think it says for republicans, but what does it say specifically for susan rice? i want to contextualize it for you. she s a person who walked out the scenario of a video having brought about the killings in benghazi of our americans.
she walked all those talking points that were proven not to be true. and the context of wanting to get to the truth of her at the center of it, what do you think it says that she is saying no, i m not going to come back? the marie: again, sometimes susan is her own worst enemy on these things. dianne feinstein came out and said she should probably come answer some questions. i would be happy for her, because it is a sensitive situation. i would love for her to answer questions in a way that were bipartisan or nonpartisan and to get to some of the truth of this unmasking issue. my problem is, republicans, i feel it, are trying to make the whole story unmasking and susan rice because she is an easy target when the whole story is russia meddled in our election, period. meghan: that s a lot of dancing.
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capitol hill. the health care bill, expected to squeak through with more than 216 votes that are needed. i can tell you that a bed check vote a short time ago said they had the votes they needed for republican s to get this to the house. we re watching it, will bring you developments as it happens live. i was the candidate, i was the person who was on the ballot, but i was on the way to winning until a combination of jim comey s letter on october october 28th and russian wikileaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were trying to vote for me, but got scared off. sandra: hillary clinton facing maker backlash. david axelrod telling cnn that while clinton does have a
legitimate beef with the fbi director, the buck stops with her. jim comey didn t tell her not to campaign in wisconsin after the convention. he didn t say don t put any resources into michigan until the final week of the campaign and one of the things that hindered her in the campaign was a sense that she never was fully willing to take responsibility. sandra: john saki eck echoing most comments saying democrats need to recognize there were other reasons she came up short. democrats, people close to hillary clinton are going to stand politics, if they don t understand there were other failings, including where we didn t campaign, the fact that there wasn t pulling and swing middle of the country states, the fact that democrats failed to have an economic message that connected with people, then we are really missing an opportunity and we are really putting our heads in the sand to her own detriment. sandra: just can t resist
going back to hillary clinton s comments going out of the gate there. we ve heard them several times. taking full responsibility, but then she starts pointing fingers and immediately had a rather reason she lost. space entry specific we we said james comey. charlie: yes. it s vintage clinton. i ve been waiting for this firefight to start to kind of break out. she also blamed president obama for getting reelected. that s another reason she lost, because it so hard to follow somebody in the same party after two terms. everybody talks about the infighting in the republican party, i m sure there s plenty, but this fighting that has to happen between now and the next election among democrats is going to be insane, because you have the obama coalition, the obama people, who are to blame for a lot of the problems hillary clinton had because she was running on a third term, based on his policies and
democrats lost 1,000 seats on these policies. for them to start sniping at one another, it s going to get worse. sandra: your saving your comments. let s go to marie first, because it does appear that her fellow democrats are very quick and kindly pointing out why exactly she lost. it doesn t appear she really recognize the real reasons or acknowledge them. the speed and i don t care if she ever realizes that, what i care about is party leaders who are leaders today and in the future, look at why she lost, all of the reasons, campaign strategy, nominating candidates with a bunch of baggage, but the interparty the fight i m more concerned about is this rest of
the party and bernie sanders fight. bernie sanderson on a democrat. there are certain things we agree with him on in certain things we don t, his supporters he s never been a registered democrat. charlie: what do you think about a party where half of your party supports a socialist? marie: is the challenge. taking party supporters, the issues they care about, the sub taking the message on the economic side, what can we ask for average americans in places like my home state of ohio and try to bring some of those back? this is going to be a very interesting fight and i hope my party is up to it. sandra: at doesn t appear they are. tim ryan took a good shot at that. meghan: i take this from a totally different perspective about why politically she is not taken responsibility for her actions. i come at this from a personal place. i don t always invoke my personal experiences, but i have been there on election night front and center. when you lose and you lose to an
embarrassing way which is what happen with my father and also what happened with donald trump. on election night, my family prayed together, talked about how blessed we are and in that moment, that night, elected to move on. had my father been going on tv 100 days later blaming everyone else, i would have called him up, i would have personally yanked him off television and said you re embarrassing yourself. this is pathetic, this is not good for america. it s not good for americans to keep reliving this. they fail because it was the worst campaign ever. i find her behavior deeply unpatriotic and quite pathetic. harris: are you worried, marie, that while hillary clinton i have a buck, if you figure out where the buck stops are you at all worried about how this would affect her and an ability to focus an end help the party
because she still does have samoa joe she could help with, because you want to talk about women s issues and everything else, maybe she could certainly help fund raise, she knows how to do that. are you worried that she becomes a shiny object distraction for your party? marie: she doesn t. we have joe biden, barack obama, he is still very popular, left off his incredible a popular, and other leaders in the senate and house and state who are picking up the mantle of the democratic party and this isn t going to be hillary clinton s party. harris: you should call her so she knows. meghan: this mount personal version of hell where she comes on tv and tells her when why she should be president. fbi director james comey revealing yesterday that hillary clinton s top aide made a habit of forwarding emails containing classified information to her
husband, disgraced congressman anthony weiner. here s the exchange. was her classified information on former congressman weiner s computer? yes. who sent it to him? his then spouse, huma abedin appears to have had a regular practice of forwarding emails to him to print out for her so she could then deliver them to the secretary of state. why did you conclude neither of them committed a crime? because with respect to miss abedin, we didn t have any indication that she had a sense that what you doing was an violation of the law. meghan: we are already starting to talk. harris: let me tell you where we went there. this is marie. these are actually recto actively classified documents, right? what does that matter? we are in it to win it now. this woman was walking into her home, so as far as we know, he had his laptop, honey, can you print this? i emailed you such an old by the
way, let me upload a few? sandra: not once, not twice, but on a regular basis. meghan: he was also messaging underage women on the internet and being a complete pervert on the internet. charlie: who was the first person that brought that up? donald trump. dirt bag is now a presidential word, i m pretty sure. meghan: it shows the arrogance that our spies and allies go through the arrogance of huma abedin that she thinks she can send this to her pervert husband who may or may not have been under investigation when it was happening, completely expose our national secrets to god knows who on the internet. i understand the hat they re
hanging this on, if it were you or me, and we had to mess with our husbands, i m telling you it would be a different story. the media continues to get this woman a free pass. she s at the met ball this weekend. she continues to be treated as a celebrity for whatever reason and it s absolutely inexcusable. she has put americans safety at risk and she should be charged or brought under. harris: harris: to answerr question, to address it, here is my overarching thought on all of this. this sits with the original person who sent and had the emails on men in secure server appear hillary clinton. what clearance to the people in that circle have a question mark we know anthony weiner had some kind of clearance, but was he cleared to receive those materials? is a stain on the house of both of these women.
meghan: as much as i like talking about huma abedin, you do not. marie: i not going to lizza s argument, but i feel the need to make it as a former cia officer, i ve seen the emails that have been released publicl publicly. some of the stuff, not all, for you jump on me, some of the stuff that they went back and classified were media articles. i have to do it, it s cathartic for me to get this out. some of them were literally press articles about classified programs that were retroactively classified. yes, she should not have done it, she shouldn t have had the private server, meghan: she should hate you should hate her more than me, because the position she puts it when sandra: the classification is irrelevant. marie: is a ton of classification information and if we are in a place where press articles are classified and because of that, she is putting
national security at risk, we all need to take a little bit of a deep breath here. that s all i m saying. meghan: i feel bad for the position they continue to put that in. you cannot here make it okay. what a difference a day makes. the big assist from president trump and the 11th hour, how his dealmaking skills may have made all the differenc difference.
credit for getting personally involved in delivering some last-minute votes. white house aides are saying the president has been working the phones seriously and he was able to get four key moderates on board after meeting with them at the white house yesterday. here s one of those former holdouts. really long on how his note turned into a yes. one they made what i considered the change to pre-existing conditions, that s when i said, i may know. the president said billy, we need you. i said you don t have me. he said they need you. he called back yesterday, we need you, we need you, we need you. i m happy to announce that we will have pre-existing conditions covered adequately. harris: you are clearing your throat. charlie: so sorry. harris: can you explain how these nose are becoming yeses? the one thing i pointed out a
week ago, yes it was the freedom caucus, but 60 votes they were worried about going into that friday a few weeks ago. only half of the more freedom caucus, the rest of the more moderate. charlie: as she pointed out earlier, it wasn t just the freedom caucus. what s interesting, it s moving the bill more leftward to include things like pre-existing conditions and things like that. again, at the end of the day, it baffles me that they are doing this without getting democrats to buy in to something. i think it will be a poor result. harris: you may want to get to the senate. charlie: yes, and when it gets past and the democrats can hang this entire thing on republicans. marie: here s the problem on pre-existing conditions. every single expert that has looked at this over the last 48 hours says, this will mean less
coverage for pre-existing conditions, high risk pools do not work out well, and it s not enough money, people will see in their lives a change and pre-existing condition coverage. republicans are making promises they can t keep. that is a problem. harris: you have said before, and i think now is a valid point more than ever, that the american public needs to know more about what s going into this bill in the process. i m seeing on my twitter feed rate now that people have been trying to google it. what are your thoughts? meghan: what happens today isn t going to be the final bill that goes through the senate. as much as we can celebrate something happening today, i have no reason to believe that the exact battle that have been in congress isn t going to manifest itself again and the senate over things like pre-existing conditions, over things like medicaid, expansion expansion, harris: are you frustrated by this process? meghan: yes, because the
momentum is waning a little bit. i was made a lot of promises and i was quite upset when they didn t come to fruition. i think the ideological battle will continue on and will be talking about this for a very long time. sandra: this is a significant moment. newt gingrich this morning on fox & friends said the passage of this bill will be an extraordinary moment, an example of president trump s negotiating prowess. when he talked about momentum, he also commented on speaker paul ryan getting credit saying he deserves a lot of credit for never backing down, despite the setbacks. charlie: what he is primarily talking about is if there are some changes and it too medicaid, medicare, that allow the bill to realize very large and important savings over a ten-year period, if that s a silver lining, that is a significant silver lining. sounds good. we should know in the next few minutes because if they are close to being on schedule, although out of the corner my
eye, will pop it up or we can, they are still debating this on the house floor. we were anticipating a 1:00 p.m. eastern type vote, we are pushing up against that now and we are coming right back on outnumbered. 50 and 64 under trunk care, costs will go up. premiums will go up, co-pays will go up
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hallie jackson, thank you. right now on msnbc, tale of the tapes. lawmakers from both sides of the aisle call for president trump to turn over any recordings he may have of his krfrgconversati with ousted fbi director james comey. plus, recording history. new reports say president trump has for a long time secretly recorded phone conversations when he was in private business. the reporter who broke the story will tell us what the president s former associates say and what it could mean for staffers now. and breaking right now, cyber chaos. the largest cyber attack ever is spreading by the minute, stealing information and demanding ransom from hundreds of thousands of users across more than 150 countries. what you need to do to protect yourself. good morning, everyone. i m chris jansing in beautiful washington, d.c. this morning, democrats are ratcheting up their pressure on president trump on not one but two fronts. for starters, demanding any takes the president may have of
last week was regarded the worst of the presidency, and now a series of polls show new lows and approval ratings for president trump. any reaction there to what has been an onslaught of criticisms, frankly for both sides of the aisle? reporter: yeah, the polls to which you refer to show his approval rating below 40%, 54% of americans disapproving the president s handling of his job, his responsibilities as president of the united states. what is striking is the numbers are not too far removed from where the unfavorable numbers were on election day. last year the president and his allies are quick to point this out as well, but be fair, the president is not focusing on the negative headlines. doing what is best publicly to ignore issues regarding his comments about the tape. sean spicer we heard last week say frankly they had nothing nothing further about it. he ll face other questions as democrats try to make an issue out of this right now. widely the administration is
focusing on what they view a potential president. the president s first foreign trip heading overseas later this week, departure scheduled for friday, this is an opportunity to show they can successfully execute on the significant issue of great significance, given the fact it will be on the world stage, they view this as a unique, quote, global moment, as described to us. whetherist? and in the meantime, even before he leaves for that big trip, we may hear about a new fbi director, eight candidates we are interviewed over the weekend by attorney general jeff sessions and deputy attorney general jeff rosenstein, what do we hear could happen before he gets on air force one. reporter: it seems unlikely they will get this done over the course of the next five days before he departs. of the eight interviews conducted by the attorney general and the deputy attorney general, president trump has not participated in any of the in-person interviews to take place. he ll likely only be involved with interviewing in person,
some of the finalists, whenever that may or may not occur. though the president himself said he expects this will be a, quote, fast decision that could come before the end of this week. you showed some of the names. we heard from the group, the association that represents current and former fbi agents, they are putting their efforts behind the former congressman, mike rogers, formally the chair of the house intelligence committee, also a former special agent with the fbi. they believe he would be the best pick, andrew mccabe, the acting fbi director at the moment. what is striking is you have eight politicians, senator john cornyn, excuse me, of texas, a big trump supporter, lindsey graham, another republican, saying under different circumstances that would be a good pick, but right now the president should go with someone who is not a partisan politician. chris? peter alexander at the white house, thanks to you. over to mike baquero there at
capitol hill now, donald trump posted, james comey better hope that there are no tapes of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press. and it seems democrats and republicans agree if there are tapes, the president should turn them over. what can you tell us about where congress is on this right now? well, chris, it s the latest time the president s tweets have put the president in a position, where you talk aut tapes and recordings harkening back to water gate. we have heard from aumber of republicans very unseizure wieae tweets, including a couple on the sunday shows, when asked, if, in fact, president trump should be turning over many of the tape recordings, if they exist. if there are any tapes, they have to be turned over. you can t be cued about tapes. if there are such recordings, i think that be subpoenaed and probably have to turn them over. i ve asked to make sure the tapes are preserved if they
or high profile items or controversial items, we ll see these time and time again, whether it be health care or the republicans looking into the russian meddling or work in tandem with what is already going on in the senate intelligence committee. incidentally, rod rosenstein was invited by mitch mcconnell to brief all senators in a closed-door session about the progress of the investigation on the fbi side. no date yet set for that. chris? mike baquero, thank you for that. let s bring in mark fisher, co-author of the biography trump revealed. also joining us, white house correspondent for reuters, aisha rasco and mike schmidt. you have been talking about
visiting with donald trump. so he didn t push a button, he didn t pick up the phone, everything just appeared. right. and he s been up front on this through the years. in fact, during the reporting for the book, he told several of my colleagues that he was recording their conversations when they were doing phone interviews with him. so aisha, you were talking about the calls now to turn over the tapes, are we looking at a showdown potentially here? well, if there are tapes, it seems like they will have pressure to actually turn them over to produce them. if they are not, then it seems like this could be a bit of an embarrassment for the white house. this is something that president trump brought up on his own. as senator graham said, he said you can t be cute about tapes. so he s going to have to, the white house is going to have to address this one way or another, you would think. in the meantime, michael, our new nbc news/wall street journal poll finds that just 15% think
congress should be the ones to handle the russia investigation. this other number is astonishing to me. 78% are calling for an independent commission or a special prosecutor. the question is, will there be any movement on the republican side? i don t know, those town halls where we have been seeing people sort of switching a little bit from talking about health care to getting upset about the comey firing. what are you hearing? well, whatever political impact there has been on the firing of comey with the russia investigation, the new details we have learned, it doesn t seem like it s enough to push the issue forward, to push the republicans to feel like they need tind po push the independe investigation. it fills out the story more about whether there was collusion with russia to actually put enough pressure on the republicans. because at this point we have learned a lot about what the government knows about this. and it s clear that they are going to hold steady and not go forward with it.
mark, 29% of americans approve of president trump s decision to fire comey, 38% disapprove, but 32% don t have it on their radar. what do you make of that? i think a lot of people in the country don t follow washington news as closely as viewers here might. and when you go out to trump rallies and talk to people, they are only tuning in sporadically. and when they tune in, they tune in because the president is achieving something they wanted in the first place. so there s a lot of controversies like this one that registers as just more washington noise, more washington backfighting, to a lot of people who are political observers. meantime, michael, the article that you wrote on friday continued to have reaction. you elaborated on your reporting that at that big january 27th dinner at the white house, president trump demanded essentially loyalty from then fbi director comey.
i want to play what the president said when asked about that in an interview that aired over the weekend. apparently the new york times is selling that you asked comey whether or not you had his loyalty was possible inappropriate. i read that article. i don t think it is inappropriate. did you ask that question? no, no, i didn t, but i don t think it would be a bad question to ask. i think loyalty to the country, loyal tty to the united states important. depends how you define loyalty. number two, i don t know how that got there. because i didn t ask that question. so michael, what did you think when you saw that? the president s reaction to what you wrote? well, you know, either the president doesn t recall what happened in that meeting or he s trying to portray his question of loyalty to a larger thing about the country. but our understanding from talking to several people that have spoken to mr. comey about this is that it was a question whether mr. comey would be loyal
to mr. trump. mr. trump came back to it two times in the meeting. and by the end of it said to mr. comey, well, do i have your honest loyalty? comey said, you have my honest loyalty but comey understood he wasn t giving loyalty to trump that trump really wanted. if you study comey, you know that trump takes loyalty extremely seriously and comey, for whatever you think about his judgment, takes his independence very seriously. so we probably should have seen this, you know, break up coming earlier than we did. well, mark, as someone who has studied trump, as michael wright, should we have seen this coming? and what do you make of the whole loyalty thing? loyalty is very important to donald trump. it always has been. he s really worked throughout his career until joining or entering the white house with a very tight inner circle of literally no more than half a dozen executives who have immediate and constant access to him. those people are he didn t get that the fbi
director has to be independent? no, because the way he s always worked with the tight circle of people, they have been loyal to him and he shows loyalty to them. they tend to stay with him for 20, 30 years at a time. so the idea that he s disloyal and that he just discards people is really not the case. what happens is, though, there s a second tier of people around him, and they are essentially road kill as far as he is concerned. straight out, unless you are in the inner circle, he really doesn t feel he owes a great deal of loyalty to those people. and to comey, he obviously fits in the latter category. he s not in there every day nor should he be as fbi director. i see where the white house is, they have the know, his aidss have to know what a bad week it is for him, do they think they can turn the page with the trip he s taking, turn the page if he names a nominee for fbi director, maybe he can get bipartisan support?
i think that s the idea. they will try to move forward as much as they can. that they will try to focus on this trip. the trip will give him the opportunity to be very presidential. he s going to be meeting with foreign dignitaries. so it gives them a chance to be on foreign soil and kind of get away from all the troubles they have had on u.s. soil recently. and to kind of present a more dignified image of president trump. of course, with all of this going on, the question is, how much has he been able to prepare for these meetings? how much has he been able to prepare for this trip, because that can open up another can of worms if he gets over there and there are issues. there have been a few diversions. ayesha rascoe, thank you, michael schmidt, appreciate it. next up, log in and lookout. right now, vicious ransomware is demanding users pay for information. we ll have tips on how to protect yourself and explain why this attack is particularly dangerous, threatening banks,
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this affected hospitals, schools and companies worldwide by encrypting the files and demanding payment to unlock them. now two versions are being detected. nbc s kelly cobiella is here. what do we know about how fast this is spreading and where? reporter: companies and organizations in asia have been pretty hard-hit this morning. but that may just be a question of timing. a lot of the companies and organizations were already at the end of business friday when this started spreading. so maybe a case of those booting up their computers for the first time and finding out they have been infected. now, having said that, there are some new versions of this virus coming out now, china has detected a version. they say it spreads much faster and is harder to kill than the first one we saw on friday. but so far we re not hearing about secondary waves of attacks. nothing reported in europe or
the united states, but american computers along with the rest of the world could still be at risk. the big key here is whether or not your computers or computer networks have been updated with the latest security patches from microsoft. chris? meantime, a researcher who is believed to have stopped the attack over the weekend is talking about how he did it. what do we know? reporter: yeah, it s a little bit technical when you get into the weeds about how exactly he activated this kill-switch. but he s a 22-year-old cyber security researcher. he says he first noticed the attack friday morning, didn t think much of it at first, until he saw it spreading across hospitals in england and scotland. he says he found a domain name that was linked to this malware. he registered it and noticed the virus slowed down in how quickly it was spreading. he also said, chris, that he was surprised by its lack of sophistication. he said it looked like something that someone had written in their free time, which may offer
some clues as to who may have started this. or how bad the security systems are in some of these places. kelly cobiella, thank you. i want to bring in a firm that specializes and preventing and investigating cyber breaches. i just want to go to what she just said, which is if it s true, that this wasn t very sophisticated, but it s having this global impact, what are the implications here? it doesn t need to be that sophisticated as long as it is efficient and getting the job done. i think that is probably the biggest problem is that this code doesn t need to be that complex just to do a simple test. that s pretty scary when you think what could happen as a result that the carmaker had to shut down. i mean, why are people looking at this and saying, this is horrible. this is the worst we have ever seen?
no, it s that it spreads by itself. in most previous cases, you would actually get an e-mail, you would have to click on the e-mail or click on a link and become infected. in this case, it can spread from computer to computer by itself. it doesn t need any help, doesn t need any user interaction, which makes it so dangerous. what do we know about where it may have come from? vladimir putin said the virus originated from u.s. intelligent services and that launching the viruses could backfire on those who created them. any indication this is from u.s. intelligence services? well, it s complex. no, i think he s referring to the fact that the vulnerability that he s using to spread from computer to computer was part of a release that has been allegedly tied to the u.s. intelligence service. writing the code, the malware, written and publicly released has been used to spread the malware from system to system. if you open your computer and
it is already there as opposed to most of us becoming pretty savvy on not opening things we don t know, what do you do to protect yourself? we have the ch pa, make sure you have the latest security patches. now this patch for the microsoft operative system was leased a month ago. unfortunately in the health care sector, they have system that is can t be rebooted and this patch actually requires a reboot in order to take effect. so the patching and making sure you have the patches deployed as quickly as possible is critical. without that, you ll be in a lot of trouble. always back up what you have, right? because doesn t it take something like this. you said also don t pay because there s a question about if you need the stuff, should you pay? we are not even sure yet if they are releasing files when you pay. there s been mixed reporting about that. so, yeah, not paying is two-fold. one, because if you pay, then you ll have to continue the attacks. and two, there s no guarantee that if you pay you ll get data back. adam myers from crowd strike,
good to see you. thank you for coming in. new turbulence if you can believe it for united airlines today. a major security breach there putting pilots and flight attendants on alert worldwide. information posted online that is having global ramifications. and any moment on capitol hill, president trump will give remarks at the national peace officer s remoral service. we ll bring that to you live. violence against police is an issue. the president discussed it this morning while signing a proclamation at the white house. last year 118 officers died in the line of duty. and of those, 66 were victims of malicious attacks. these attacks increased by nearly 40% from the year 2015. this must end.
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up an appeal from the state. the appeals court had struck down the law saying it was passed by the republican legislature in the words of the ruling, with almost surgical precision to discriminate against african-american and minority voters. it imposed a tough new voter i.d. photo i.d. standard. it shaved seven days off the time for early voting. the appeals court said that was pro dominantly used by african-americans. it restricted the ability to pre-register before they were old enough to vote. and if they mistakenly voted out of precinct, your vote wouldn t count. it was repealed by the naacp and the obama administration. and today the supreme court said it would not appeal to overturn the rulings. the trump administration had not signed on and taken any position one way or the other about this case. so because of the supreme court s actions, it s dead. now the one thing i would note
here, chris, is there was a bit of a change in how north carolina viewed its own law. it was passed by the republican legislature, signed by the previous governor who was a republican, but as you know, there s now a democratic governor, he and his attorney general declined to defend this law, but the republican legislature said, nonetheless, they should be able to carry on the appeal. the chief justice john roberts today said because of the blizzard of filings, it was hard to tell where it stood. and he simply noted that because the supreme court declined to hear it, it doesn t mean it was ruling on the merits. he earlier indicated he would allow an appeal or allow the state to enforce the law while it was on appeal. but the supreme court when it declines these cases, you don t get a vote, you don t get a reason for declining to hear it. but in any event, this was the final blow to that law. nbc justice correspondent pete williams with the big ruling from north carolina from the supreme court. thank you so much. meantime, united airlines is issuing a safety alert to pilots
and flight attendants worldwide after a major breach in security protocols. united s procedures for gaining access to the cockpit were compromised. tom costello is joining me, what have you learned? reporter: chris, good morning. united like airlines carefully safeguards the information about how people can gain access to the flight deck. in other words, the keyboard pads. somehow that information got out. now the airline is quickly trying to fix that problem while reiterated two its entire staff that information, that security information, is very sensitive and should never be shared. this morning united airlines insists it s not a hack, but the procedures for gaining access to the flight deck were leaked. now the airline is moving fast to shore up its procedures. that could mean reprogramming the keypads on every united cockpit door with new access codes. veteran pilot captain john cox.
something like this information getting in the wrong hands is something that they are dealing with very quickly. reporter: since 9/11, every flight deck door on every commercial aircraft has been reinforced with steel. new planes come off the assembly lines with tougher fortified doors. to gain access to the cockpit, crew members must enter a secret keypad code. and airlines have their own confidential procedures for opening the door to flight attendants while in the air. if a pilot leaves the cockpit to use the restroom, many airlines require flight attendants to block the aisle with a food cart. so this is on our mind all the time. we are trained to be individuvi and our procedures are to remain in constant contact with the cabin. reporter: in a statement, united airlines tells nbc news the safety of our customers and crew is our top priority. and united utilizes a number of measures to keep our flight deck secure beyond door access information. in the interim this protocol ensures our cockpits remain
secure. critical since the united planes take off with passengers 4,500 each day. united says its notified the faa of the security breach. there is no reason to believe according to security officials that terrorists have gained access to this information, but they simply could take no chances. chris, back to you. nbc s tom costello, thank you for that. in less than an hour, the ninth sir kucircuit court of ap will hear whether they should reinstate president trump s travel ban. we ll speak to the first attorney general who filed a lawsuit against the original ban. we are also watching capitol hill where donald trump will speak at the memorial for fallen officers. will he stay on script or go rogue? he s done it before. we ll have that live.
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trail. joining me is the man who filed the first appeal against this. let s go to look at what rudy giuliani said about this in the past. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete showdown of muslims entering the united states until our country s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. when he first announced it, he said muslim ban. he called me up and said, put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally. now the administration argues that the hawaii judge s ruling was, quote, fundamentally wrong. partially because the revised order does not mention religion. what is your argument? well, our argument from the beginning and the reasons why the court struck down the original travel ban is because the statements are relevant to determining whether or not a
motivated factor behind the original travel ban and the revised travel ban was against the muslims. you can look at the context and the principles of the words involved, and the words speak repeatly clearly about what the intent was about. that s the intent of the man who is now president, but this three-judge panel is made up of appointees to former president clinton. he spoke out against the climate against muslims in this country. i want to play that for you. tough talking realism is all about how this group is a threat, that group is a threat and another group is a threat. does it mean we shouldn t be tough on terrorism committed by islamic radicals? of course not. but it means we shouldn t go around in a blind stupor mixing apples and oranges and terrifying some of the most talented, devoted people in this country who want to make their contribution and to help make us better. is broader public sentiment
and former president clinton, if he s right n particular, is that relevant to this case? what is relevant to the case is the constitution and the motivation behind creating the original muslim ban and the revised muslim ban. and it s clear from statements by and you aired them, the president and his advisers, what they intended to do, and take my word for it, there are federal judges appointed by democratic presidents and republican presidents who agreed that the statements are relevant. i want to get ahead or don t want to get ahead of the ninth circuit court. but what are your feelings about it? the arguments based on the con con city tush will be appealing to judges of all sorts. there s a reason why president trump did not appear our victories in the federal courts of the original travel ban to
the u.s. supreme court because frankly he knew he would lose. so the arguments are good, to challenge the revised travel ban, but you re right, it will be decided by the u.s. supreme court. i want to ask you quickly about another topic because you were one of the 19 other attorneys, among 19 attorneys general, last week requesting the independent investigation into the russian involvement. the latest poll showed 15% of americans essentially trust congress to do this, but realistically, you know how politics works, do you see this happening? that s a really good question. it is certainly my hope that folks on both sides of the aisle will see if this issue transcends politics. that this is a threat to the constitutional framework. my hope is certainly that republicans in the senate and congress will come to the realization and support the effort, which is so critical right now. so that is your hope, but what is your expectation? you know, if i had to bet my life on it, i think it will happen. i think folks in congress will
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going to fire you and replace him with sarah. oh, bless your heart, this is the first i ve heard of that. get out! i have to find trump. i m going to new york. the press interview is over! they are saying you re going to replace me with sarah. sean, come on, i would never do that. she doesn t have your special spice. salt and pepper. a little bit of sugar. melissa mccarthy and alec baldwin with their phenomenally popular take on sean spicer and president trump on saturday night live. and though it was all for laughs on tv, there are reports that president trump is increasingly frustrated over the recent fallout stemming from the firing the of fbi director james comey and that he has been seriously considering potentially a seismic shake-up of white house staff. joining me now for the daily briefing on politic, mark murray and michael shear, white house correspondent for the new york times. okay, mark, what do we know so far about the possibility of the white house shakeup? certainly, the name sean spicer
has been out there for months, nothing s happened yet. yeah, chris, according to the white house team, there s definitely smoke to all the stories that there does seem to be a mood for the shakeup. in addition to the white house, press secretary sean spicer, steve bannon, the top strategist as well as white house chief of staff reince priebus, but one really big factor to consider with all the talk is president trump s upcoming trip abroad where it is very unlikely that he would have just a wholesale of changes right before he goes on his first and biggest trip as president. and also, if you have all the people who were replaced, the question is who replaces them? right now we have seen a white house staff that there are people in place like deputy press secretary sarah huckabee sanders, but there aren t a whole lot of names particularly in the republican party bench who may be eager to join the white house. i mean, that s part of the problem, michael, isn t it?
because whether you re somebody who is being spoofed, and some might argue, maybe to the extreme on saturday night live. or you re just somebody who is constantly taking it from the president when he gets gets frustrated, who wants to walk into that who has any kind of qualifications? i mean i think that s right. the sort of sense of chaos that has been here from day one from the moment he was elected during the transition and was inaugurated you know, the trump white house has been chaotic. that s why we have to take some of the reports with a grain of salt. it s possible tomorrow there could be a wholesale shake-up or it could be another day of chaos and more confrontation between sean spicer and the press and the whole thing continues. i think i don t quite think we know where what it s going to be. it would be a very strange time to do it two or three days before he takes office. timing has never been a strong suit of this white house. alex connen, the former white
house adviser for marco rubio talked about how this and how trump treats his communications people. he said, trump is putting a lot on the backs of his spokespeople while simultaneously cutting their legs out from underneath them. there is nothing more discouraging or embarrassing for a spokesman than to have your boss contradict you. now, at the risk of your twitter feed blowing up, i mean, they are in a horrible position. i agree with alex totally. which never excuses that anybody in a communications department should lie. exactly. and previous press secretaries who i ve covered have been careful not to come out to that podium especially with the seal of the white house right there and say, you know, and say something they know not to be true. but look, the stories that are shifting inside of this white house are shifting because the president is shifting them. and you know, so if the president sets out a message and then the vice president goes and repeats it and other members of
the cabinet repeat it and the press secretary sean spicer walks out there and repeats that, if it all changes later, it s real difficult for sean spicer. that is the dynamic that played out so dramatically last week with the firing of jim comey. i think that put a fine point on the whole problem. you still have, mark murray, so many positions that are open, ambassadorships not the least of them now family we have been hearing there s a possibility that ha callista gingrich, the wife of newt gingrich, could be going to the vatican or as it s its formerly called u.s. ambassador to the holy see. she is newt gingrichs wife and a devout catholic. it would be seen as a reward for someone like newt gingrich who was a top surrogate for the trump campaign certainly ended up defending them. sometimes made some critical comments. for the most part, a pretty big ally of president trump. if she got the plum position it
would be a reward. you do hit on an important point here is that this is not the most important of ambassadorships. the fact that we re starting to get word that this is a pick, instead of the more hot spot ambassadors and even more importantly, a lot of the important assistant secretaries, many of the people who would end up running the government in the next year or two still haven t been appointed yet. i think there s a good question on what this administration is prioritizing and what it s not. yeah, and what they have done and haven t done. now the president himself talking about getting rid of press briefings. i mean, do we think he s serious about that? it s hard to say. look, there was a question about this question of press briefings. they floated the idea maybe they would not have them. they did. there s a long tradition. i think typically white houses see them as valuable to them as well as because it s a way for them to get out their an message
and speak directly to the american public. i would be surprised if it goes away completely but i wouldn t be surprised if they make changes that diminish the traditional press and focus on press more friendly to them. mark, what do you make of that? there s been talk they could change the way it s held, maybe they would do it in smaller groups which is the way it was done at one point. they also had the traditional briefing. there is no modern precedent, is there, for not holding a pretty regular press briefing? especially i would think for someone who has been like it or not, pretty accessible. and that is this president. the white house press briefing is a way in which the news organizations and the american public is able to hold at a white house or administration accountable. if that goes and even if it s changed or tinkered, i think that would be kind of a blow to the public service and certainly the scrutiny that the media is able to apply. i would note while president
trump has held several bilateral news conferences and those are news conferences with two world leaders where each gets about two questions each, he still has only given one full-fledged news conference so far in his tenure as president. when he was talking about well, maybe i need to actually go out and do it a little bit more, i think a lot of us would like to see him answering more and more questions since he is the one who is better able to speak for his white house and administration more than a lot of other of his aides and associates. yeah, and the other point i guess is that when he goes out with somebody like lester holt, who is very well prepared he finds himself in an even more difficult situation post interview. so we shall see. but there is a press briefing scheduled today, right, michael? there is. we ll be there. mark murray, michael shear, appreciate it. we are now moments away. they re running a little late. the president speaking on capitol hill. we ll be right back.
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