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alex, i'm a little bit suspicious about the fact that he said he could not land the plane, that he has never landed a plane. it seems to me that he had some aviation experience. in fact, public records indicate that he had a student pilot certificate back in 2013. what he has done between 2013 and now, we don't know. just to be able to, again, fire up both of those engines, it is a complex checklist procedure. he was able to take off and then maneuver. he was able to communicate with his family, a negotiator, he is doing this while he is flying. he is also landing the airplane without much damage as far as i can see. there is something very suspicious there. i think he had more aviation experience than people give him credit for. >> meantime while, jeff, thank you so much for getting us through this story. what a story in tupelo, mississippi. all of us are sharing it with all of you across the country.
indeed it was an engine fire, and everything is preliminary at this part of the investigation so we don't even know for sure. yes, the f. aa said it was an engine fire but it's hard to determine just by those pictures. when we go through the checklist procedure for an engine fire situation, we pull what we call a fire handle. that not only sends out fire retardant material, it also shuts off the bleed air system which goes into the cabin and supplies pressurization and air conditioning and heat for the cabin situation. in addition to shutting down electrical, in addition it's shutting down all the electrical that's coming from that -- or hydraulics coming from that particular engine. >> you know, les, the two eyewitnesses i've spoken to about this said that the evacuations seemed to take place very, very quickly. they saw the chutes come down and people coming out. do you have a sense of how quickly a plane like this can actually be evacuated? >> well, an airplane like this, i mean the faa -- you have to