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Youngkin who offer real solutions about real life and go beyond just political ideological language. and i think there's a real opportunity this '22 and '24 and "beyond biden" is a series of chapters explaining what we can do in education, what we can do in the economy, what we can do in national security, what we can do with crime where we know from giuliani and chief bratton how to control crime. they did it brilliantly in new york. and every left-wing democrat has thrown away the book, and it has led to a huge rise in murder rates. so "beyond bind" is a book for everybody who's concerned ab...

Been made over the past years have been wiped out in 2020. >> and it's gotten to the point where even last friday, california's governor was like, here i am again. and what is wrong with us? what is wrong with us that this happens every day. there's no country in the world that's dealing with a problem like this, to this extent, and the -- you know, facets of it are very obvious, and yet nothing happens. opinion columnist maureen dowd sat down with former nypd commissioner bill bratton and recounts the conversation in her latest piece. some of it is here. sitting in a manhattan hotel room wear...

Communities in a position to really have us talking about this as a false choice. >> yeah. and that's the thing, i think, that as this discussion moves forward, mika, we have to move beyond the false choices. it's going to take -- it's actually going to take, as bill bratton said, he was in los angeles, the only way l.a.'s policing was improved at all was a complete and total engagement in all communities. there has to be that engagement in all communities for the police to be effective. it's interesting. you look at a lot of the numbers. erin brings up great points. a lot of people don't want...

Melodramatic, but that's where i'm coming from. >> i don't think it's melodramatic at all. over the past four years, we've talked about the tragedy of what happened in north charleston. we talked about the tragedy, the murder, we think it's murder at least here, what happened to eric garner. of course, everyone saw what happened to derek chauvin. we have seen that. and erin, it's interesting, eddie brought up stop and frisk. there's a great example of a policy that was put in place and as bill bratton said in his interview with maureen dowd, the numbers skyrocketed to such a massive degree tha...