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Human mind of the defendants and glean what his intent was and that is why you are allowed to infer criminal intent from circumstantial evidence from statements a defendant made and there is one more key. statement that to me has always proved donald trump's intent conclusively. when his doj officials and other executive branch agency officials said mister president, there is no fraud. undermining the election results. >> that includes bill barr for example. >> bill barr and richard donahue who have taken notes of what donald trump was saying. what are they saying? i don't care if there is no ...

Involved in or when it's to trump's attempts to dismantle democracy, on thursday the grand jury in washington d.c. her testimony from william russell, that is the sky here. he is a little personal aide and ship director who began working for trump and the white house in early 2020. he remains his aide to this day, notably russell was with trump for at least part of the day on january 6th. you can see he here with trump at the ellipse. where trump gave an incendiary speech shortly before the insurrection began. nbc news has learned that prosecutors questioned russell about trump's state of mind...

Conspiracy to defraud the united states, these are serious charges. corruptly obstructing an official proceeding, and the civil rights section we just talked about. what are some possible defenses that donald trump could raise, vis-à-vis these particular charges? >> katie, i don't often like to go where i'm about to go, because people are forever saying that it's so hard to prove donald trump's corrupt intent. his criminal state of mind, his guilty mens rhea, i do not agree with that i proved corrupt intent for 30 years in courtrooms, both military and civilian wet far less evidence that has ...

Sentenced to prison. but to date, the people who organized it, who schemed that up, have not been held accountable and i think that is important that happen. >> let me ask you then more specifically. what criminal charges do you believe that mr. trump should be facing? given the investigation that you conducted? >> well, we referred four matters, obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the united states, submission of false statements. and incitement to insurrection. the conspiracy charges have a need to prove intent, corrupt intent. so i think there's been discussion abou...

I mean loves our country. we need judges that love our country so they do the right thing. >> subtle, very subtle there mr. trump. meanwhile as donald trump attempts to fend off the documents trial the special counsel's prosecutors could be nearing an indictment in their investigation of january 6th. we learned this week that trump's son-in-law, jared kushner recently testified before a federal grand jury in that case. according to the new york times, kushner another close aides were asked whether trump privately acknowledge that he lost the 2020 election. in lawyer speak it suggest they are t...