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Question, but with the provides or what barbara was talking about before, that you keep saying, this of the classified documents, they are in the other category. they are not in the intense category, it's not in the complicated fraud category, it's like a bag of illegal drugs. you are not allowed to have them, and he had them. and that, you keep saying, is why that is a simpler case. where do you think his luck ends up in the year 2023? >> you anticipated exactly what i was gonna, say which is that i think you are actually spot on. and from my perspective, there is one case that stands apart f...

Heart. it is irrelevant. what matters is, can you count to four and identify each of the four elements of an offense? and can you meet those things? what the committee did met metic meticulously, number one, two, three, four. there is what prosecutors have to establish. if you take obstruction. they said, was there a proceeding, obviously there was. did someone act knowingly and with corrupt intent? and they walked through every possible thing that established each one of those elements. you have to do that whenever there is a crime. people think, sort of act on feeling. well, we know donald t...

Focuses on, jim, in that case the underlying conduct was stuff that would have been legal, except it was done with corrupt intent. i mean, come on! the former president, the white house counsel, don mcgahn, to write a false memo lying about the investigation, anyone else would be prosecuted for this. bill barr wrote a memo to the white house before he was hired saying there were no crimes here. the fix was in. don't listen to me. two federal judges, one appointed by a democrat, one by a republican, have said that barr's conduct was dishonest and it was. >> norm, let me switch gears here. i kno...

>> trump's stolen election campaign succeeded in provoking the violence on january 6th. on this point, there's no doubt. >> what the president wanted the vice president to do was not just wrong, it was illegal and unconstitutional. >> president trump is a 76-year-old man. he is not an impressionable child. just like everyone else in our country, he is responsible for his own actions and his own choices. >> miles, that was back in december, but liz first read from the criminal code. the person who has most publicly and most aggressively educated the public about the crimes donald trump committe...

Trump on trial, i should say, the former president, if they lose, if he's acquitted, that's a huge boost for trump. but what's amazing about the work of the january 6th committee you see this corrupt intent. he was told over and over again by the white house counsel, by the attorney general he had lost the election. he knew, he should have known, he had not won. then you have him coordinating, face-to-face pressuring mike pence. and again, the magnetometers, the morning of the rally, and demanding the secret service -- think about this, sitting president of the united states wanting to lead an...