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Andrea Mitchell Reports

>> cynthia, this is a civil case. it's the preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. that's a big difference. >> a huge difference. it's more likely than not. it's just tipping the scale a tiny bit. this case is fascinating, because it really is under the whole frame of the "access hollywood" tape. he is the witness against himself. he said i can do whatever i want to with women. we not only have e. jean carroll but two other women and these outcry witnesses. i'm worried. sex cases are difficult for people to even talk about in the jury room. it's hard to make analysis. people are afraid to do it. that's a concern. trump is a concern. whenever there's trump, it's a wild card. there's one juror that lots of jury watchers are concerned

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The ReidOut

you can do anything. grab them by the [ bleep ], you can do anything. that's what you said, correct? >> historically, that's true with stars. >> true with stars that they can grab women by the [ bleep ]? >> if you look over the last million years i guess that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> both cynthia and then tim. that was damning. >> i mean, not only was that damning, but my favorite damning beyond the fortunately or unfortunately was when he was caught wrongly identifying e. jean carroll and then when his lawyer improperly helped him out. that's totally improper. then he says, oh, the photograph is blurry. the photograph is not blurry.

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Yasmin Vossoughian Reports

analyst, cynthia. so, it's great to talk about the stuff. if prosecutors are working with this confidential witness pro the near times reporting, how important, how crucial of a development do you think this is? >> well, i think it's really important. and mostly because the investigation has moved from the retention of the documents to obstruction of justice, right? that's where we are now. and that's a very serious investigation. they had some conversations with trump's body guide, now to, apparently that broke off. they did learn in that process that he had moved documents after the subpoena. now, what they need to do is they need to find out, when did trump learn know about the subpoena? did he ask him to move the documents? did he look through the boxes of documents? did they try to return them? did he lie to his lawyer, which we think he did, which is why the attorney client privilege

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Yasmin Vossoughian Reports

i think there's this question, this is the former presidents valet. it seems as if, as you mentioned, prosecutors were not necessarily able to win the information that they wanted from him and or, as you put, it flip him. let me read from the reporting of the new york times. prosecutors appear to be filling in gaps and knowledge but the movement of the boxes created part by their handling of another potentially key witness, mr. trump's rally, walt now into. prosecutors believe mr. not as failed to provide them with a full and accurate -- boxes containing the classified documents. wondered if you feel as if something, cynthia, if there's any other avenue they can take to force nauta's hand, to provide the information they need? >> sure, i mean, it's not a static thing. it's not, like oh, if we didn't do it on tuesday, we're never gonna get it. >> yeah, yeah. >> it very well me -- they get this other witness that provides information for them to call his lawyer and, say we've learned that, like,

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Yasmin Vossoughian Reports

you know, for example nauta called the security people and he was, as you know, whatever he was doing, we've learned more information. let's come in and talk about it some more, that may give them the leverage they need to fully flip now to. you don't just give up because you don't get it on day one. i, mean it's a continual process. he's obviously somebody with some exposure. remember, the refusal to retain the document is one crime, but the conspiracy to not return them, the obstruction, that is another crime. that may include, that may include seven, eight, nine people. who knows how many people that includes. and if now to has some exposure, he has every reason to come in and actually tell the department of justice what he knows. >> cynthia, as always, we appreciate you, thank you. we're getting more information and hear about the shooter out of al, untouched, folks, that i want to bring it to date on. i can read this in my phone quickly here. the gunman who killed at least eight people and wounded half a

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Alex Witt Reports

can fall electors who can lead on the obstruction of others? it is still potentially targeting those who arrange, plans, and manage the meeting that day. >> cynthia, weigh in here, what does these immunity offers tell you about this investigation? >> well, two things. one, i think amy is right, it means that she's made a distinction between the lower level electors who showed up and were told what to do, go vote over there, come on the stare, whatever, and the people who organized, instead keep it, secret who helped get them in the capital, the people who helped breach all election software in coffee county. she's graded decision, distinction between those people. that's one thing. the other thing that tells me is that there's going to be an attachment. you don't offer him unity if there's no indictment coming, a. be, in the course of this back and forth between the defense attorney and fani willis, we understand that there was a tape that says that one of the

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Alex Witt Reports

in this new york times story, for example, they subpoenaed the security footage and some of it is the same. there are gaps in the security video footage. why is that? so, the security kyla -- and his son have been subpoenaed, and they're trying to figure out what happened with the video footage. we also know that the department of justice has subpoenaed almost everybody who were to mar-a-lago to find out about when the boxes were, moved and how that compares the timeline to one of the subpoenas arrived, and exactly figure out what to trump now, and do once that subpoena came, specifically out. the investigation is ramping up, and it seems to be focused on obstruction. >> all right, cynthia and amy, thank you both. still ahead this hour, some good news, the unemployment re-drop in, and we've added for jobs for the month of may. what this means in the context of the economy, and whether the fed will continue to raise rates.

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Alex Witt Reports

>> cynthia, i want to switch gears here to the mar-a-lago documents investigation. the new york times reported on thursday, quote, through a wave of new subpoenas a grand jury testimony, the justice department is moving aggressively to develop a further picture of how the documents mr. trump talk with him from the white house were stored, how he had access to them, have the security camera system works, and what mr. trump told aides and his lawyers about what material he had it where it was that people said closely investigation. what does this signal to you about what kind of charges, if any, the prosecutors could potentially pursue? >>, while what it signals to me is that the investigation is sort of in phase two. phase one is the basic, use all the documents, we told you to return them, you refused to, you lied about, we found them, you're guilty of stealing the documents. that's phase one. phase two, which is really warm important, frankly, is the obstruction. tells me that their focus on the obstruction. there was fascinating tidbits

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Sen. Cynthia Lummis talks electric cars, and Biden

As the subject of electric vehicles becomes central to environmental agendas, lawmakers wonder if the batteries’ adverse effects can weather political dependencies and a tight time. “The administration is getting the cart before the horse. We have to create an environment where we are harvesting those raw materials to build the EV batteries here in the United States,” said Sen. Cynthia Lummis.

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Sen. Cynthia Lummis talk debt ceiling

We spoke with Sen. Cynthia Lummis Thursday regarding the debt ceiling and what we can expect from Congress regarding government spending in the next few years.“I was very proud of house Republicans yesterday for passing a bill with a very narrow margin that Republicans have in the House. They, nevertheless, were able to pull together and pass legislation that would begin to bend the spending curve over the next ten years,” said Lummis.

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