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is a major economic and social crisis in america inevitable? that's the thesis of a recent piece in the "washington post" by mitch daniels. former governor of indiana and president emeritus of purdue university. daniel cites a variety of experts that predict our pile-up of crises, debt, fundamental disagreement, it's going to lead to a revolution or reset or a turning, as has happened in the past. one democratic historian compares it to upheavals in the 1960s, 1920s this redefined america. had joints me now. thank you for being here. we don't know our history, so we think that things that worry you can't happen again. isn't that it? >> that's certainly a reason that people might find this surprising. we have lived in relatively f dwrou look a all the way back
and treatments and psychiatric evaluations, he is deadly on the streets. in november, pistorius was granted parole with release set for today. for five years, he'll live under conditions and could be returned to prison if he breaches them. campaigners against male violence say his release sends a terrible signal. oscar's release is an indication that we have a serious problem, that there's, i guess, a normalisation of leniency when it comes to predators, when it comes to anyone who commits any type of femicide or gender—based violence. reeva steenkamp's mother says the void left by her murder can never be filled by anyone else. daniel, you are at the gates of the prison in which 0scar pistorius was held and there was some confusion
and in saying that, this rehabilitation, have they focused on all of that? because in my opinion, oscar walking around as a free man without the necessary training and treatments and psychiatric evaluations, he is deadly on the streets. in november, pistorius was granted parole with release set for today. for five years, he'll live under conditions and could be returned to prison if he breaches them. campaigners against male violence say his release sends a terrible signal. oscar's release is an indication that we have a serious problem, that there's, i guess, a normalisation of leniency when it comes to predators, when it comes to anyone who commits any type of femicide or gender—based violence. reeva steenkamp�*s mother says the void left by her murder can never be filled by anyone else. well, daniel explained the conditions to the release of mr pistorius. conditions will last
legitimacy of your political opponent, but also equivocating in saying, well, we don't know. we are asking questions. what do you make of those remarks? >> it is utterly dishonest. desantis knows very well that elections in the united states are free and fair, in his state and elsewhere. he is being dishonest. as daniel mentioned, the cardinal rule of democracy is that politicians have to be willing to unambiguously accept election results, win or lose. when politicians stop doing that, democracy invariably gets into trouble. what this suggests, what this clip by desantis makes clear, we argue this in our book the tyranny of the minority, it is not just trump. the problem, unfortunately, is no longer just trump. this turning away from democracy, this willingness to condone violence, to accept violence, and to not accept the
equivocate. it is really important to the point about equivocation. they sort of talked out of both sides of their mouth. they will condemn it but they will say, maybe it was an inside job. they leave some room from down. they have to be unambiguous. this is what politicians committed to democracy do. they are unambiguous, they are explicit. if we look to the history of democracy in the 19 twenties in the 1930s, when mainstream politicians behave this way, democracy gets into trouble. it is really critical for voters to hold these kind of politicians to account. or else, our own democracy will be in trouble, as well. >> daniel, the way you have president biden situated in this moment, he is saying it is an existential moment for democracy. how do you see this moment? how do you see this election? >> i agree, i agree. it is very hard to sustain. the historical record is very clear. throughout the 20th century in latin america and europe, if you do not have to political parties, at least two political parties committed to democracy, if you only have one political party, really loyal to
just a little bit of evidence. brazil suffered a similar uprising on january 8th 2023. jair bolsonaro, the president who tried to overturn elections there, who was a trump ally, his supporters also, basically, copied the u.s. and stormed the president of house and the congress. in brazil, right-wing politicians, almost to a person, denounced that. supported an investigation into the uprising. made it absolutely clear that they had no sympathies at all with the uprising. you know how many brazilians think that this was an inside job? or something to be sympathetic with? 10%. 11% of brazilian sympathize with the uprising. vast majority of them reject it. what leaders say matters. >> daniel, i'm curious to get your perspective on this. soon after the events of january six that we saw certain lawmakers, essentially
in biden's speech later on today. george washington high school, served two terms and then walked away from the presidency, compared to his likely opponent going into 2024, donald trump, who did everything he could to stay in power, even after losing an election. steven, i'm curious to get your thoughts on the 2024 field. just yesterday there was an interview with ron desantis when he was asked about the legitimacy of the 2024 election. we have a soundbite here. this is nbc news. let's listen. >> would you accept a biden victory? >> i will have to see what happened. you know? if it was a trans victory, obviously, you accept the results. i don't know what democrats have up their sleeves. what you are saying, if there was fraud, i'm just about to turn a brined i. now, i'm not gonna do that. >> stephen, that cuts to what daniel was saying. regarding not only having tolerance to accept the