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All In With Chris Hayes-20191226-08:13:00

welcome back. jarrae estepp was just 21 years old when she was found dead on a garbage dump conveyor belt. investigators discovered a fingerprint near the body that led them to a local business. but that's where the leads dried up until the detective working the case got a hunch and one thing became clear. she would need more rosaries. here again is keith morrison. >> reporter: detective julissa trapp couldn't sleep, kept awake by the puzzle of the girl someone threw away in the trash. that's when something jogged her restless mind. hadn't some young women vanished in the town next door, santa ana? >> we were like, well, you know, what are the odds that they're related? >> reporter: so she looked them up and learned about kianna jackson, just 20 years old when she disappeared five months

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MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin-20191225-16:09:00

her very last outgoing call at 7 p.m. the night before. >> how far away would it have been? >> 20 miles. >> but that's all the detective knew, a week gone by. everyone at hardy windows was cleared so no suspects at all. detective trapp went to church, said her rosary, worried, prayed and wondered. >> i had heard a story on the news that there was three missing prostitutes in the city of san ana. >> what if it wasn't the killer's first time or last. >> now coming up, four young women missing or dead. was there a link? >> what are the odds that they're related? >> when "good & evil" continues. .

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MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin-20191225-16:53:30

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MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin-20191225-16:45:00

>> would you rather talk to somebody else? >> i don't wanna talk to anybody. >> reporter: gordon argued that continuing the interview at that point was a miranda violation. even though detective trapp had read him his rights at the outset. the judge agreed. ruled that the jury could not see a frame of gordon's confession. >> when he makes the ruling that it's out, it's a punch in the stomach. >> oh, man, because what are you missing then? everything. >> well, a confession. it's the piece that brings everything together and focuses on the four girls and now it was gone. >> all of these women have a special meaning for me. and when it got thrown out, i had a really hard time. >> reporter: but then gordon asked for a meeting, and sprang another surprise. he wanted yellin to drop the rape charges. and what would he give you in return? >> he said, "i'll give you a statement that you can use against me in this case."

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MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin-20191225-16:28:00

neck and i said, "no, i'm not waiting anymore." >> they're going to run. >> they're going to run. >> reporter: time to move. fast. they caught up to franc cano as he was boarding a bus. and steven gordon? they found him where he worked, an auto body shop next door to hardy windows. but -- >> he made a run for it. and -- >> ran out the door? >> on a bicycle, yes. he had a little collision with one of our surveillance units and a little flying over the handle bars. and he was taken into custody. >> reporter: both men were charged with four counts each of first-degree murder and forcible rape. and detective trapp prepared to confront a suspected serial killer. coming up -- i knew this was going to be a lot different than any other interview i had done. he's cunning, manipulative. >> he didn't have to talk to

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MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin-20191225-16:46:00

>> okay, mr. gordon -- >> reporter: and so on the eve of trial, detective trapp once again sat face-to-face with steven gordon. and he once again took her through each crime. >> fair to say that your intention was to pick up a prostitute and ultimately kill her? >> yes. >> okay. >> reporter: that was played for the jury. and then? how bizarre was this. gordon suddenly decided he wanted the jury to hear his first confession too. which meant that the mothers had to hear every graphic detail of their daughters' murders. >> then i thought maybe i prayed that rosary a little too hard because now we have two statements in. >> the jury wasted no time convicting gordon of four counts of murder. >> guilty of the crime -- >> reporter: they recommended the death penalty. >> i'll order that the verdicts be recorded. >> reporter: for four mothers, a measure of justice. kathy menzies had sat through the entire trial. as brutal as it was.

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MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin-20191225-16:16:00

>> prostitute? >> at first i was like, no -- okay, no. that can't be. >> reporter: but then the truth came crashing down, undeniable. kianna had missed a scheduled court date in santa ana -- for a prostitution charge. but wait a minute, you talked to her every day. >> that -- >> texted with her all the time. >> exactly. and she-- >> ask you knew nothing of this secret life of hers? >> nope. nothing. >> what does it feel like as a mother, to hear that has been going on all that time and you didn't know? >> heartbreaking. >> reporter: when she heard kathy's story, detective trapp began to think she was on to something. and then she discovered that just two and a half weeks after kianna disappeared, there was another one -- josephine monique vargas. >> she had a beautiful personality. they used to call her giggles 'cause she always made people laugh. >> reporter: josephine's mother priscilla had been on the local news, searching for answers for months, ever since her daughter left a family barbecue, telling them she was walking to buy groceries. >> that's the last time we -- any of us heard of her or saw her.

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