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Joining us now for the interview is richard clarke, the nation's first special adviser to the president for signer security and the nation's former counterterrorism chief and the chairman of good harbor, and his book "cyber war" is just now out in paperback. thank you for being here. >> good to be back. >> thinking about that iranian oil terminal and stux net, is cyber war is a way that countries are waging war with each other now? >> i think it's a way that the united states is attacking iran. you could call it cyber war, or call it covert action. it's not really important whether we call it ...

You could call it cyber war, or call it covert action. it's not really important whether we call it a war of the nor. it's true that the united states and probably israel are engaged in cyber activities against iran. and what happened on karg was probably the united states or israel attacking the digital control systems of the refinery. just as people could dorefineries. this is the concern. we've crossed the rubicon. we destroyed a thousand centrifuges in iran but a cyber attack. but the software we used escaped into signer space and people downloaded it all over the world. so people now know...

Digital control systems of the refinery. just as people could do that to our refineries. and this is the concern. we have kind of crossed the rubicon. we've made it okay by doing it. we destroyed a thousand centrifuges in iran through a cyberattack. but then the software that we used, 50,000 lines of code, very complicated attack escaped into cyberspace. and people downloaded it all over the world. so people now know how to do it. not just nation states, but hackers have these 50,000 lines of code. and yeah, it's entirely possible people will attack us. nation states, terrorist groups, individ...