bill: should he step down or not? should not. adam schiff was a staunch supporter of secretary clinton while involved in the benghazi investigation and nobody s calling on him to recuse himself. devin is the chairman of house intel whether they like it or not. what we need to do is focus on the witnesses and accessing the documents and find the facts for our fellow citizens. it should not be a bipartisan investigation. let s meet witnesses. bill: nunes has said it had nothing to do with russia. if that s not the case why not clear it up? what s his source and what information was he given on the ground of the white house? on the source i found it interesting last week parts of the main street media beat the daylights out of republicans for 12 years to successfully win the electoral college. what do you want to start with? that s a good place to take our lead. bill: does that suggest you re confused what his priority is? i ve talked to mick mulvaney more than i want to i think it s health care but if we re not going to get that done let s move to infrastructure and tax reform. bill: you were in the conference yesterday i didn t mean to interrupt you but in the interest of time what s the consensus of the three items you just listed there? health care. let s see if we can do health care. we have a window with reconciliation. it s an arcane word but important word. we have a window with rec reconciliation and it s more time sensitive we do health care. let s see if we can get that right. bill: thank you for your time today. trey gowdy on the hill with a range of topics today. thank you, sir. we ll get an updated view on the russia matter later today. the top two members of the senate intel committee as they hold a joint news conference this afternoon. their first public update since launching their investigation in january. live coverage of that. the committee also holds a meeting on russia. all that on the docket to come. shannon: also today, president trump tapping new jersey governor chris christie to head a task force on opioid addiction and looking at the possibility of bipartisan health care reform. a deal. i know we ll all make a deal on health care. it s an easy one. i have no doubt it will happen quickly. i think it s going to happen because we ve all been promising, democrat, republicans, all that to the american people. shannon: chief white house correspondent john roberts from the north lawn says it s an easy one. is health care back on the agenda now? it was so easy look what happened last week. maybe it s not so easy. we don t know when it s going to happen or if it s going to happen but it s clear the white house and house republicans and some senators as well are taking another look at whether or not they can put together a health care bill. you saw the president last night with senators from capitol hill on the republican and democratic side last night here at the white house over for dinner. the president talking about recruiting democrats to get on board a health care bill. the language aimed at conservatives who scuttled the idea of a vote and it implied the conservatives wouldn t be happy with the bill that attracted democratic support. they may want to be on board. yesterday the press secretary said there were preliminary discussions in terms of where they can make it go. here s sean spicer. have we had discussions and li listened to ideas? yes. are we planning a strategy? not at his time. there s individuals on both sides of aisle reaching out to the president and key staff members to share ideas and additional ways forward. the art of the deal is how to thread the needle to bring conservatives and moderates together and bring them a little bit of what they want without driving the other side apart it s like newton s law for every action there s an equal reaction. shannon: like jenga game. meanwhile the president now focussing on opioid addiction. he talked a lot about this during the campaign. it was a big deal particularly in new hampshire and not letting the issue go. he s expected to sign an executive order not today i m told. to start a task force to look at opioid addiction headed up by chris crist christie. he has had experience with this a good friend of his an attorney died from the addiction. this looks at the issue of prevention and addiction of drugs before they come it our country and importantly the issue of treatment. addiction is a disease and we need to treat it that way and get these people the help they need to renew their live and become productive members of society. again a listening session on all that this morning at 11:00. not likely the president will sign the executive order to strike it task force today but in the near future. shannon. shannon: john roberts live at the white house. thank you very much. bill, we ve talked a lot about the issue. the numbers are stunning. just over the last four and five years skyrocketing. bill: more on that come up next hour two with marc siegel and an interesting piece in the wall street journal. and senator mccain is standing by to talk about the russia deal and the critical battle in iraq led by u.s. and iraqi forces on isis. stand by on that. shannon: and attorneys for aaron schock saying he was taken down by a staffer acting as an informant for the fbi calling that illegal. how they re hoping to get the charges dropped. bill: and heartbreak in the heartland, three storm chasers pay for their pursuit with their lives. that in a moment. we had that thing s number. it was going wren and all of a sudden it turned on us and was coming up behind us and changed from us chasing being chased. so simple. get the recipes at walnuts.org. bringing tore tore and three storm chasers have died. two worked with the weather channel including kelly williamson. what i like is we re able to stream it live on the weather channel while it happens. people can sit at home where as it s safe and we re out there getting the shots. they can sit there and watch it on your tv screen and we enjoy doing it. shannon: texas authorities say williamson was driving a car when it hit another car and in the crash was his chasing partner 55-year-old randall yarnel and authorities are still trying to figure out exactly what happened. i got a call from general mattis. we re doing very well in iraq. our soldiers are fighting and fighting like never before and the results are very good so i wanted to let everyone know. bill: president trump addressing members of congress on iraq. this after the senate armed services committee had a closed door meeting on the military budget increase. the chairman of that committee is with me senator john mccain. become to america s newsroom. good morning to you. good morning, bill. bill: late last night the white house you were there after the iraqi prime minister said isis militarily will be defeated within a matter of weeks. is that the timetable you understand, sir? i m not sure about that, bill, but i m satisfied we re on the right track and using the right assets and increasing the latitude of the military commanders to take action as the situation warrants. we re devoting sufficient assets and a strategy general mattis and general dunford are developing. it s not completely developed yet but it s a dramatic shift from the failed strategies or lack of strategy of the previous administration. bill: you made a commitment on behalf of the commander in chief, i think you d agree with that and you need people like general mattis to lead the charge. you re saying you see a difference. and the national security team the president has assembled around him are stronger than i ve ever seen. i m very pleased with that. these are top-notch people. bill: isis is one topic. russia s another. sean spicer said the media obsessed when he said this yesterday. if the president puts russian salad dressing tonight on his salad that s a connection. bill: is that appropriate? the issue has to be thoroughly investigated. i m pleased the senate intelligence committee seems to be working together. senator burr and senator warren. i think it reached a level where it requires a select committee but there s too many unanswered questions and it seems every few days there s a new revelation of some kind. obviously there s a schism in the house intelligence committee. i guarantee you you cannot get things accomplished unless it s done in a bipartisan way. bill: you said yesterday there s other russian activities going on. it s a broad statement, i know, but to whom were you referring or to what? what do you know? this morning there was an nbc report about money going through cyprus attributed to manafort. whether they re valid or not i can t make a judgment. bill: some believe the white house is trying to prevent the hearings and the information getting out there. i do not. i do not believe the white house is trying to block this investigation. i do believe that congress nunes should have consulted with other members of the committee before he took the action he took. and i believe the example set by committees in the past and now being set by the senate intelligence committee is the way you should move forward and get things resolved. bill: last topic. i don t know how you feel about going back to health care but the president appears ready to do that. if you can pick your list of priorities what would it be? my first priority would be to try to have a choice for citizens. in arizona it s imploding. premiums have gone up 125% down to one provider down from as many as a dozen. it s a disaster in my state and imploding and needs to be fixed. i hope we can come together and bring democrats along in these discussions. one of the problems is you can t do this kind of reform in a single party line basis. you have to get people together and sit them down and work this out. bill, we have to do something. bill: understood. thank you for coming back, senator. john mccain on the hill. shannon: our chief correspondent mike emanuel has been chasing devin nunes all over capitol hill and just tracked him down and has brand new information you ll hear here first. wanna get away? now you can with southwest fares as low as 59 dollars one-way. yes to low fares with nothing to hide. that s transfarency. home security. every situation is a little different. it could be about billing, simple questions like changing the phone number. sometimes, they want to upgrade, downgrade, but at the end of the day, you want to take care of the customer. one of the great things about comcast, there s always room to move up. of course, it depends on you, how hard you work. shannon: house intelligence committee chair devin nunes just speaking and mike emanuel tracked him down. good morning. devin nunes has called the calls for him to step down from the probe politics and he is heading for the united states capitol. he stopped and talked with us for a moment and here s what the chairman had to say. as far as i know they ve done little to look through the documents the intelligence community provided. we ll see who is doing a real investigation and you ll find out we re very much doing an investigation and have been for a long time. are you worried about being able to work with mr. schiff. we always want to keep the committee bipartisan but at the end of the day we ll do an investigation with or without them and if they want to participate that s fine. but the facts are pretty clear they have no we don t even know who the witnesses are they want to call. i would encourage you guys to start to follow them around and figure out who they want to bring in and interview. you heard me mention adam schiff. he s the top democrat on the house intelligence panel. there s been friction between schiff and chairman nunes with ranking member schiff asking him to recuse himself from the russia probe and chairman nunes is continuing to do work and calling on democrats to be bipartisan in the investigation. shannon: he s used to having the cameras all over him right now and the suggestion to you the media start following around the democrats and start asking them questions. mike emanuel. thank you. thank you. bill: 27 minutes past the hour. in a moment we ll take you to the stock market and see how the stocks are shaking up when the opening bell goes off and the panel will tell us what we really need to know with the russian connection. that s coming up next. 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he should voluntarily step down. there comes a time and i m putting on my lawyer hat where a person becomes a witness and he s acting as an investigator and having meeting with the white house that maybe are material to the investigation itself so when you become a witness you lose your objectivity and become the target of the information you re supposed to be investigation. i think it s in the best interest of the committee for him to recuse himself from the investigation and remain chair and let it proceed in a bipartisan manner. shannon: let s parse this. which investigation? he said what they talked to the white house about is separate about unmasking, surveilling, people would may have been caught up in that and how the information was disseminated. that s a different track and investigation and potential collusion with russia and the trump campaign. i think it s an investigation now where you can call it one but it s all intertwined. there s no way for him not to be able to separate these events because we re talking about the trump white house and talking about an investigation under his committee. the whole thing was about independent bipartisan investigation and until about ten days ago nunes and adam schiff were always together and were presenting together that bipartisan investigation. i think that s gone. that s totally gone now and whether it s politics or unforced errors this is just creating the need and the calls for an independent investigation and i don t think this committee s going to be able to put it back hannon: what do you what he told mike emanuel on capitol hill. we ll get to the truth and you ll see the investigation and with or without the democrats and people will see when it unfolds and he speaks with somebody with the confidence of knows what he s doing. but the key phrase is with or without the democrats. that s not how you ll get to the bottom of this. i think for the president and the administration it would be far better to have either the kind of bipartisan investigation that seems to be going on in the senate side and was happening on the house side is not any more because if there s nothing there and you get that kind of investigation that clears the white house that s what they need to get all this russia stuff behind them. instead i think this just prolongs and creates the rancor and makes it partisan which will not serve the white house well even if they re clear. shannon: he has the confidence of speaker paul ryan and they worked on different committees and said he has his full confidence. how do republicans walk through this? do they go down an independent body and i understand we re waiting on things from the nsa and they re cooperating and the i am my implication is they will get those do they wait it out? nunes himself said and i agree with joe if this can t be bipartisan there s a taint and we should have an independent investigation because the constitutional is for congress to be the oversight. this is their job. they need to do their job and do it right and they need to do it in a bipartisan fashion. investigation should not be skew by ideology or affiliation. shannon: you think they can keep it. and if nunes were to do that he takes the heat off the speaker. shannon: the fbi is still investigating all these things in a separate branch and track. do you have confidence in director comey? there s another thing politicized throughout the campaign and there s more faith in the justice department and comey than there s no faith right now on the house intelligence committee unless nunes no, i agree with brad. it can be if nunes recuses himself and removes himself from leading on this part of the investigation. let somebody else take it and get the committee back to the bipartisanship that existed ten, 15 days ago. shannon: they ll start singing kumbaya there s a lot of agreeing happening. bill: as the debate over sanctuary cities continues homeland secretary john kelly and we ll hear from several marries. the closed-door meeting comes after the a.g., jeff sessions threatened to cut off funding to sanctuary cities. what reception does secretary kelly expect to receive at the meeting, doug? first off this invitation was extended to dhs secretary john kelly by the u.s. conference of mayors which is a bipartisan organization so in that sense we expect cordiality and the issue of immigration is partisan and jeff sessions announced the new immigration policy will be enforced by depriving sanctuary cities of funding and that s in the going over over with some. our job is to enforce the laws of the direct of columbia and we re not local i iso officials. we believe it will make our community less safe and as chief of police i don t think i should be involved in behavior that makes our city less safe. and this from boston mayor martin walsh he wrote the safety and well being of our residents is and will continue to be my top priority as the mayor of boston. the threat of cutting federal funding that aim to foster trusting relationships between the law communities is irresponsible. the structure in most big cities from the school boards to the city councils is almost overwhelmingly predictable. we expect a court fight. bill: there s similarities over this and president trump s travel ban. how does that play out in a similar fashion? precisely. it lends credence to the idea it s going to be a court fight in the making. recall president trump when he issued the travel ban repeatedly sided the u.s. code. this is the sole responsibility of the president of the united states. here s what the president and his minions said repeatedly. suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by the president. ok. now, this isn t just me, this is for obama, for ronald reagan, for the president. this was done very importantly for security. but you ll recall the ninth circuit court of appeals paid no attention to that provision in the u.s. code when they ov overturned the travel ban. expect the same on the immigration policy. bill: thank you, doug. shannon: a fox news on brexit. the u.k. officially filing divorce papers with the european union. nine months after voting to leave theresa may invoking article 50 that will undo four decades of treaties and regulation. bill: and stung new details in the corruption case against congressman aaron schock and that an fbi informant cost him his job. we ll look at the evidence. plus, there is this. shannon: stunning new video from the frontlines in mosul as the pentagon looks at a report an airstrike may have killed hundreds of civilians. the latest on that investigation. nosy neighbor with a keen sense of smell. glad bag, full of trash. what happens next? nothing. only glad has febreze to neutralize odors for 5 days. guaranteed. even the most perceptive noses won t notice the trash. be happy. it s glad. when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn t have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. bill: attorneys for aaron schock now say a congressional staffer acts as an fbi and saying it was a violation of his rights. he is set for corruption and fraud charge. with me judge andrew napolitano. nice to see you. good morning to you. you ve had a few quiet days. you ve likely needed them. before we get to the case facing the former congressman of illinois you put out a statement saying you were confident in the story you reported here in the past month. yes. bill: do you still stand by that? yes, and the sources stand by it. the american public needs to know more about this rather than less because a lot of the government surveillance authorities will expire in the fall and there ll be a great debate on how much authority we want the government to have to surveil us. the more the american public knows the more informed and congress s decisions will be. bill: so no change then. correct. bill: and we ll see how it plays out. i think more will come out. bill: more on aaron schock. they alleged the fbi wired one of his former assistants. so far we re ok. passively sitting back and engaging the criminal target in a target as an acceptable law enforcement tool but they allege he went through desks and hacked computers. that s a profound violation of the congressman s rights. under the supervision of the fbi it would be a profound violation of the fbi s role in law enforcement. it s so serious it could result in the indictment against him. the kicker is they didn t need to do this. the evidence of congressman s guilt the misuse of federal and campaign funds for personal benefits is overwhelming. they didn t need what they gathered bill: they say the documents are his own personal property. i thought he worked for the people? it depends on what they took. if it s government property and the young man took them, the young man committed a crime. if it s personal property and he young man took them he committed a crime in either case they can t be use. if the fbi directed the young man to do this then they improperly investigated the congressman. the fbi may say we don t know everything he was doing. we weren t in the office and he wanted to play fbi agent on his own. that s what a judge will have to decide. bill: so they have protection from the executive branch is what you re arguing here? we all have constitutional protections but congress has more because it s a different branch of the government. if the executive branch interferes with the legislative branch that violates what we call the separation of powers. very interesting case. bill: apparently took a plane to see a chicago bears game. this is the allegation now. had super bowl tickets, world series tickets and sold them for money. can you defend this? that misrepresented the time he drove in his car to be compensated for more than he was entitled to and didn t report income on his income tax returns. the evidence of his guilt is overwhelming but he may skate because of what this over zealous behavior of the informant. bill: how often does the fbi need an insider to get information they looking for? very common and often it s someone against whom the fbi has evidence and that person agrees to work with the fbi in return for more lenient treatment. so we don t know the name of this person or what the fbi may have on him or why he did what he did. all this is going to come out. bill: thank you, judge. as i say, good to see you. good to see you. bill: shannon. shannon: we know private colleges are highly profitable. now a new study shows despite having tons of cash they still get plenty of taxpayer money. bill: and democrats not backing down promising to keep supreme court nominee neil gorsuch off the high court. does he make the bench? we ll talk to chuck grassley. he s our guest live. i repeat, we re going to get judge gorsuch confirmed. there ll be an opportunity for the democrats to invoke and i m confident he ll be confirmed. right information at the right moment. and when you filter out the noise, it s easy to turn your vision into action. it s your trade. e trade. start trading today at etrade.com it s a shocking study. a new study found over a six-year period ivy league colleges brought in more money from your taxpayer dollars than from all payments of tuition from undergraduate students that s despite the fact they have more than $119 billion in endowment money. it s part of a 43-page report first seen from fox news and released by open the books and spoke to the founder. it is a market for government contract at the ivy league with nearly $26 billion of federal contracts and grants. it dwarves the number of tuition of $22 billion collected over the course of the last six years. now, open the book studied all ivy league schools to understand their sources of funding between 2010 and 2015 some makes sense like the study of aids, others not as the study of drinking and taken together it s more than the federal government gave to 16 state governments. the spending is controversial because the schools have enormous resources at their finger tips. $119 billion in endowment dollars raised from donors and the total is equivalent to $2 million per undergraduate student. were they to continue to receive contributions at present rates they could provide free tuition to their entire student body forever. to be sure endowments on the for spending in a single year and no one expects ivies to give them a free ride forever but heavy sponsorship calls into question the use of taxpayer dollars and with parent across the country facing annual tuition of $33,000 at private colleges and more than $9,000 for state schools, well, they must be wondering, why do these wealthy institutions need my taxpayer dollars? and shannon, we reached out to all the schools for comment this morning and still waiting to hear back. shannon: let us know. that is fascinating. thank you so much. thank you. bill: i always liked midnight blue from the 24 pack but that didn t make the cut. shannon: you want it to go or save it? bill: save it. i think it s shave. shannon: what s the 64 with the sharp enner on the end. bill: i liked it. are republicans getting ready for a do-over on health care reform? the talk on capitol hill for the second chance to undo you obamacare and what the president said about that last night. shannon: we re getting word of some activity on capitol hill on the house side. there are all kinds of conflicting accounts of what s happening. we re hearing of armored vehicles and alerts telling congressional staff to avoid the area. mike emanuel is on the hill. let s see what he can find out. hi, mike. good morning. we re outside the rayburn house office building and you see police activity. our understanding is a suspect in a vehicle hit a police cruiser and may have hit several other pedestrians in the immediate area. out of abundance of caution they shut down the area behind me and investigating. we understand the suspect has been apphended but we don t have a lot of other detail. the situation as the business day is starting on capitol hill there s a lot of going on and so they are shutting it down to make sure there s no other danger at this point but our understanding is a suspect has been taken no custody after hit police cruiser and perhaps sitting several pedestrians at a busy time in capitol hill with the workday just getting underway. shannon: and in that area there s vehicle traffic and pedestrians as people flood too the buildings and there s barriers and screenings. the police presence in that area is always 24 hours a day exceptionally heavy. you re spot on with that. there s a lot of screening areas across the immediate vicinity and we have a ton of spring breakers in town and interest groups in town coming to talk to lawmakers. you have people talk to their representatives on capitol hill. there s tons of traffic, foot traffic. there are lawmakers coming into work today. there are staffers coming to capitol hill. so it s a really busy time. if somebody was looking to do some damage on capitol hill there were a lot of people walk around at the time. they shut down the immediate area and there s a ton of police activity trying to get to the bottom of it. shannon: that s a main thoroughfare for folks travelling through there to have the roads closed down will have a significant impact on the morning. as well as you mentioned it s spring break and there s the cherry plos blossom in d.c. bill: that s the vehicle in question and the pictures left of the windshield could likely be where bullets struck. we want to get to our capitol hill producer chad wergrum. let s go to chad for what he s learning. what do you see? there s an effort by u.s. capitol police to make a traffic stop near the library of congress and the vehicle took off down independence avenue past the rayburn building and past the botanical garden. the vehicle did not stop i am told and we have barricades they erected after 9/11 to keep vehicles from coming in and when you get an incident like this like in 2013 they raised the barriers to keep the vehicle inside the perimeter. they raised the barrier at the foot of independence avenue as the vehicle was going west. at that point the driver still did not comply with orders. this is near first and washington by the rayburn building and tried to evade officers. i m told by official as they hit civilian cars including capitol police vehicles and because the suspect in question did not continue to comply that s when u.s. capitol police officers discharged their weapons. i m told though this happened near the rayburn building they have not put the building on lockdown or anything but they did ap rehelped apprehend the suspect. we ve had random crime and car chase have moved to the capitol hill perimeter. the capitol police have their own police department for the buildings and several blocks out. we had an incident during the state of the union that was a car chase that wound up within a block of where this incident is and has nothing to do with disrupting the government and it was just a car chase that went into washington, d.c. five or six years ago there was a traffic stop that went bad through union station and went down louisiana avenue down the wrong direction on the senate side of the capitol before they drew a weapon on officers and they shot and killed him. you have to remember what happens with u.s. capitol police. they never know if it s somebody just trying to get away from police your garden variety police but whether it s a diversionary tactic or someone wanting to do harm. we have no idea if it s in that realm. what we do know is they were trying to stop the car near the library of congress for whatever reason, traffic stop, could be a wanted tag, what have you and the driver alluded them. they went down capitol hill and they fired their weapons. to be clear, they did not hit anybody. they apprehended the suspect without hitting him. bill: chad, thank you for that. he s near the scene. we ll let you get more information. we re getting wires in and based on the reporting police responded when the vehicle did not stop and between the map you can run a couple blocks between the library of congress and the rayburn building. the a.p. is suggesting it was a woman behind the wheel and several gunshots were heard. mike emanuel can you hear me and where are you? i m outside the cordoned off area where the suspect vehicle is at this point. we re hearing the driver of the car hit a police cruiser and may have hit several pedestrians including perhaps some capitol police officers and we re hearing shots were fired when officers saw the vehicle was not stopping and behaving in an erratic way and i m standing here beyond the cordoned off area where we expect police to give us an update in a matter of moments but they re shooing us from the area. i m near washington and independence avenue for those familiar with the area. a very busy area near capitol hill outside the house office buildings. this one being rayburn. whatever the driver s intentions were was stopped before getting into a more sensitive area but clearly capitol police do not mess around when someone acts in an aggressive way. bill: the driver been taken away? let me take a look. i m looking for signs of an ambulance. i see police vehicles. i do not see an ambulance in the immediate area but behind a bush or tree there may be one. lots of emergency vehicles in the immediate area. lots of police tape up and they re trying to get to the bottom of it. bill: you were inside the capitol building. assume you did not hear shots while inside, correct? did not hear anything. in fact we talked to chairman devin nunes about the russia probe and were going to head over to look for the top democrat on the panel, adam schiff and got alerts there was something going on and raced out to the area outside the rayburn building and we did not hear shots but it appears shots may have been fired. the latest is the suspect was not hurt but has been taken from the immediate area, bill. bill: thank you. get more information and we ll come back to you. back to chad pergram. where have you moved in the past couple minutes? i was on capitol hill and out to the degree i can. you can imagine it s locked up on capitol hill. they did not lock don the capitol nor the rayburn house building so my vantage point is limited. i don t have a good eye shot on what s going on at the bottom of the hill there. again, what we re trying to figure out is who may have been hurt here if there were vehicles or people in vehicles. as mike said this is a busy area. it s a wednesday in congress it s usually the busiest day on capitol hill. you have people funneling out of taxi cabs and ubers to meet with members. if you had something go awry you could have had other people injured with stray bullets or vehicles. sometimes independence avenue is bad with traffic at 9:30 on a wednesday. bill: you believe it s a traffic stop gone bad. tat that s what it seems to be. have you general traffic stops in and around capitol hill. they re not terrorism incidents. it s always the battle on capitol hill with what they should do with u.s. capitol police. there was an earful they got that ended up a block near health and human services because they didn t know if it was a diversionary tactic. it was a car chase which started in maryland in a suburban county that came all the way to capitol hill and ended up at the foot of capitol hill when the state of the union was going on. just somebody with a warrant. the question is should they have diverted resources for a high-speed chase versus protecting those on the capitol. they re devoted to protecting the house office buildings and the street patrol division and they routinely c traffic stops. bill: chad pergram on capitol hill and shannon bream is observing from there as well. shannon. shannon: bill, this is a few blocks from where we are on the other side of capitol hill. we have chris stirewalt with me and we ll talk about things eventually but some context first. what happened on the house side it s the heart you have the capitol and a block from the library of congress and supreme court. we know they don t play around here because when we drive in on this road every morning and those barriers chad talked about there s a constant presence of heavily armed officers 24/7 over here. for people who don t hang out in washington in real america it s like airport level security. people with long guns and people in bullet-proof vests. you know you re in a secure place and pity the poor criminal who accidentally happens into the bear s den and does something that triggers the warnings. as we saw in london last week when you re talking about this is sorry, world, the most important legislative body in the world what is done here or often not done here is more consequential than any place else and know it s a prime target. it s the missed target on 9/11. for the capitol police if you re having a barred bad morning and don t comply airbags deploy. shannon: they re standing on the street corners. we have one by fox where they re directing you and there s cones up to make sure your car doesn t go near the capitol and the barriers it sounds like they deployed them and they good up and you ll hit a wall. and then instead of trying to keep you out they ll keep you in and answer their questions. it s a rough wednesday. shannon: to give people context too, if you head out past the capitol you ll hit maryland. eventually in pennsylvania too. shannon: for things we said and chad mentioned the earlier criminal cases that had nothing to do with terrorism people trafficking through the area ten years ago the capitol was in a bad neighborhood and now it s in a nice neighborhood and it s been cleaned up but the bad neighborhood is still walking distance from here. shannon: and driving distance. bill, back to you in new york city. bill: one of the things you think about with the incident in london from just a week ago is could it happen here and certainly it can. that s one of the things you immediately start to think and consider but there s no evidence to suggest that s the case so far in capitol hill. back it our folks in washington in a moment. also in a moment here, there is a warning for republicans as a showdown looms over judge neil gorsuch. democrats lining up against him. they promised a fight. senator chuck grassley chairs the senate judiciary committee and we ll talk about that live next on america s newsroom. bill: back to washington. the reports are the driver are said to be a woman and the person has been taken to custody and shots were possibly fired. we want to get back to chad pergram to clear up things as we continue to get more information. what do you have? the most we can tell are things on capitol hill, sessions and hearings are continuing as normal and this was some sort of a traffic stop that went awry. we don t have any indication yet as to why they were trying to stop the vehicle whether or not it was erratic driving or a warrant but we have confirmed it was a female suspect and when they refused to comply with the order they chased them down capitol hill down independence avenue and past the rayburn building and one officer discharged their weapon. we don t know what led to that. we had an incident where a suspect was killed several years ago after a short high-speed chase down the wrong way down louisiana avenue where the suspect drew a weapon and they shot and killed that suspect. but if you are behaving pretty badly on capitol hill and you demonstrate in your behavior where you come into the building and say you have something on you or your driving and you re not stopping they re going to take this pretty seriously if you get up around the environs of capital and that s what happened in 2013. she drove to the white house and an officer and drove to capitol hill and there was a chase around the capitol and how do you think they ll respond when you go to the two main points of american government the white house and capitol but this incident seems to be limited just to capitol hill and seems to be emanating from a traffic stop. we need to know the purpose of the traffic stop and why a member discharged their service call. bill: our capitol hill producer on scene. ambulances were sent to the scene but apparently didn t take anyone to the hospital and back to mike emanuel nearby as well. what do you have? though the area is cordoned off near the u.s. botanical gardens business is going on as usual. you see tourists milling around and staffers. it s like a normal day on capitol hill except the one area behind me is cordoned off and creating quite a traffic mess in the immediate area but life is going on as normal with people wearing their various activists t-shirts heading into the complex to see their representatives and senators and make their voices heard on capitol hill. we have police investigating behind me and police tape up next to me. it s create traffic mess but life seems to be returning to normal in terms of the normal comings and goings in terms of visiting the nation s capital. bill: it was interesting to hear chad describe in what amounts to a zero tolerance policy in terms of capitol hill police is that your view as well? no question, bill. the united states capitol building over my right shoulder is a gigantic symbol of america. they do not mess around thinking obviously there may be some terrorist and others out there that may want to do harm to this symbol of america s greatness and they do not mess around at all when you get anywhere close to the capitol complex and you ve been down for inaugurations and such and there s tight security but any signs of threatening or hostile behavior the professionals here on the ground do not mess around. bill: just to give our viewers a sense of the geography based on what we understand, mike, the vehicle stoppage occurred around the library of congress. but the come driving got all the way to botanical gardens. that s several blocks. i m going to guess half a while. perhaps more. what is your guess? at least several blocks. to give you a sense of the geography to my left over here is the rayburn house office building. as you come back this direction you get towards where the car is stopped and between the rayburn house office building and the united states capitol building is where you find the cordoned off area with lots of police vehicle and the suspect vehicle in the middle of it. a sensitive area between the house office building where many house members have their offices and staffs and then the united states capitol across the street. they did not mess around in terms of stopping the vehicle in its tracks and arresting the suspect. bill: chad, you re suggesting in parts of washington life just keeps moving forward. it s not just parts of washington but inside the capitol. it s usually a good sign they don t view an imminent threat, something on the terrorism matrix if they don t lock down the house and senate office buildings. you get to the botanical garden and you re a little bit away. you re in the shadow of the capitol to be sure but the complex is a big place. here at the botanical gard jon much garden and in the furthest senate office building as the crow flies is about three-quarters of a mile but if they perceive there was a broader threat and something was truly related to terrorism they d like this place down tighter than a drum. they have not done that. the fact there s access points closed, there s a traffic jam obviously because it closed off the roadway there. it takes a while to reconstruct the crime scene and determine what happened but hearings are going on in the capitol. members are meeting with constituents and boy scout and girl scout troops. those types of usual wednesday activities are going on as planned. bill: very good to have you with us again today. our capitol hill producer chad pergram who fires off about 1200 e-mails to our staff about every day. good work there and to our colleague mike emanuel on scene where you see the police tape wrapped around the vehicle. our understanding, a woman was behind the vehicle. shots were fired. we don t know if any shots hit the woman driving that vehicle. she apparently has been taken to the hospital and she appears to be ok based on the early reporting we have received so far. wow. that is happening on the capitol and back to shannon there as well. shannon: we ll keep an eye on that situation as we get more facts and business on capitol hill is continuing on and chuck grassley is busy chairing the senate judiciary committee and joins us live. as this is unfolding you have work going on including the looming battle over supreme court nominee neil gorsuch. senate minority leaders saying they can t vote for him. the minority leader s words were he didn t acquit himself well or impress our caucus. your response? i think anybody who watched the 22 hours he answered questions over a period of two days for the committee knows he s well qualified. he didn t make any mistakes. when they say he didn t answer questions he adopted what we call the ginsburg standard where she said in 93 you can t say anything about any case that may come up before you in the future. don t know what those are so give your general approach to the law and kagan and sotomayor followed the same ginsburg principle. nobody can find any fault with this well qualified judge to be a justice on the supreme court and think he ll be approved at least a week from friday or a week from saturday and he ll be on the supreme court. shannon: so chairman, do you think if that takes a changing of the rules the nuclear option they ll be willing to change that in the senate that good. let me ask this way and if you don t like it ask again. we ll see justice gorsuch will be on the supreme court one way or another. shannon: we know the committee vote is monday. we ll watch that and the proceedings after that. chairman, i hate to cut you short we have to get back to the situation on capitol hill. thank you for your time. see you next week. bill: shannon, we may get a press conference on behalf of capitol hill police and as we await let s get back to mike emanuel. what more do you have? we see the vehicle with plights lights on and what else have you learned about the woman behind the wheel? mike, have you still with me? we ll pause on that. no problem. we ll get the contact established in a moment. i also see another monitor where the spokeswoman appears from capitol hill will brief reporters in a moment. i ll try to get the audio in a moment and we ll bring it to you as soon as they re ready. if you want to feed that in my ear i d love to hear it. an erratic and aggressive driver in the vicinity of 100 independence avenue southwest. while attempting to stop the vehicle on independence vehicle the driver nearly struck officers and one other vehicle and a brief pursuit followed on independence avenue southwest. during the attempt to arrest the suspect shots were fired however, no individuals were injured. the investigation is being done by the capitol hill police. the investigation is in the preliminary stages and more detail released as warrant. though preliminary the incident seems to be criminal in nature with no connection to terrorism. reporter: any sense of motive? did the suspect suggest they were trying to get in the capitol? there s no nexus for terrorism. it was just a traffic stop. reporter: how many shots were fired and where can the shots land? we won t those details. thank you. reporter: a man or woman? it is a woman. reporter: a female? age? bill: more information from the capitol hill police and criminal in nature. no connection to terrorism and described as merely a traffic stop. shortly before 10:00 am eastern time on capitol hill near the library of congress police say a driver struck a u.s. capitol police cruiser near the capitol and later taken to custody but not before the driver of the vehicle went several blocks from the library of congress and the west side and ambulance was sent in and went to the scene and did not take anyone to the hospital and possible but not confirmed shots were fired. the female driver was ordered to stop and she is now in custody. back to chad pergram with us again. what more can you add after that, criminal in nature. no nexus to terrorism. it s not something broader but why u.s. capitol police are on the job and why they work with other law enforcement agencies are because you never know what you re dealing with. that s the trick on capitol hill. if you re going to drive and behave erratically near the white house this will happen and we re told they started to notice this vehicle driving erratically and the u.s. capitol m mes-police viewed it as erratic behavior maybe somebody intoxicated or not with it, what have you and observed the behavior with the vehicle at the bottom of capitol hill essentially going east up capitol hill going east on the house side near the botanical garden and rayburn house building and followed the car to where you get where the cannon building is and library of congress. at that point that s where the driver did a u-turn and they re like ok this person is trying to escape us and they have barriers they can block off the capitol and trap the vehicle in there which is what they were doing. apparently as they spursued the vehicle she was driving in the wrong lane down the hill and that s a major hazard and got to where the barriers are and tried to get her out of the vehicle. she was not complying with their orders when she was at the barricade and i am told she quote, revved the engine, where they thought she d try to take off or ram the barricade and she lurched forward and that may have been where the shots were fired. i m told at least one officer fired a shot. we don t have any pedestrians injured in all this. we have at least one u.s. capitol police vehicle and one civilian vehicle hit but nobody injured in a major way. again it comes back to you don t know what you re dealing with. you have someone who s acting erratically. you don t know if they have ill intent or terrorism and after what happened in london outside parliament there we had a number of these incidents over the years on capitol hill where i talked about miriam carey who drove to the capitol and you go to the two seats of american government what do you think will happen. the fellow last march who tried to draw on officers and they didn t know it was a fake weapon and if you have that behavior what do you think will happen. bill: there s zero tolerance level by capitol hill police is important to emphasize. it s amazing what you see. i go through the capitol report every week and i ve not seen it this week and you have these incidents where they pull a driver over for dui or a staffer tries to bring a firearm in. they have a permit or open carry and it s a problem in the direct of columbia and on capitol hill and sometimes random people go through security and they have weed or marijuana on them and get busted for that. there is kind of a zero tolerance policy. there s a bigger issue with something that might lead to terrorism than somebody with marijuana with them but they re pretty strict up here. bill: thank you, chad. back to shannon also on capitol hill. shannon: we ll check in with mike emanuel tracking news if he news feature. we don t think there s ongoing continuing threat as chad said and you reported the center is open and thousands of people are through the visitor center every day and it sounds like business as usual. is that what you re seeing? no question. and i saw two people walk through the shot. i m looking closer at them and they have metropolitan police markings on their jackets and explains why they re walking through the scene. what lowered a lot of blood pressure around here is hearing the spokesperson saying no nexus to terrorism. in the world we live in post 9/11 that s the number one concern. somebody coming to the area to do harm to our system of government and lawmakers and innocent americans working here. hearing it s a traffic stop you can still see the barricade that says stop that s up on the scene in front of where the gray car is stopped. basically it looks like a normal police investigation. there s evidence markings on the ground and the barricades are still up and the police cruisers are still on scene and looking at the situation but temperatures are down quite a bit and looks like a normal day otherwise with people coming and going into the rayburn office building and coming and going like nothing ever happened. i m sure if you re still trying to get somewhere in the immediate area traffic is a mess but it s washington, d.c. on a wednesday so that s not unusual but it looks like things have calmed down quite a bit since they think it s an isolated incident and traffic stop gone bad. shannon: covering the hill there s alerts go out where as the closed for hours over something that turns out to be nothing and so this is a positive sign. it s calmed down quite a bit since the time we ve been out here. it looks like they re picking up some of the evidence markers or placing them. they re going about the normal police work and figure out what went down and get details for possible prosecution and i m sure we ll get a sense what was going on with this woman and why the traffic stop went so bad. shannon: thank you for your updates. again, if this is just a traffic stop this is the worst possible place this woman could have decide to go rogue on getting pulled over. not where you want to do it. bill: it appears to be resolved. if there are more developments we ll take our viewers back there to capitol hill. in a moment we ll hear what the president had to say on what happens on health care 2.0. would you describe it as easy? his comment next. bipartisan. people showed up i wasn t expecting which is a very good thing. a very, very good thing and i know we ll make a deal on health care. bill: president trump sounding confident he can deliver on one of his biggest promises at one point saying it s easy. marc thiessen, good morning. welcome back. i know we ll all make a deal on health care. it s an easy one. maybe there s some sarcasm thrown in that comment. characterize it. does it happen or not? no. nothing s going to be easy with the situation on capitol hill but this especially will not be easy. trump s premise is he ll let obamacare collapse and it will quet get so bad the democrats will beg for a change. premiums are skyrocketing, absolutely fact but the problem is 83% of the people on obamacare get subsidies and under the law they increase dollar per dollar they increase and all of us would subsidize it will get screwed and second of all insurers are pulling out. that s a fact. there will be some states in the next year or so that don t have insurance in the exchanges and the commercial insurers pull out and medicaid hmos which provide bad coverage are coming in and obamacare will limp along. it will be worse care at a higher cost which is the opposite of what president obama promised so democrats have no incentive to come to trump and say let s work out a deal because they re fine with the taxpayers make more to subsidize people who need them for higher premiums. bill: last hour we talked to trey gowdy and john mccain and i asked what the priority should be and they said health care. what about the republican situation on this? look at the senate. we re about to the democrats are not interested in working with republicans on anything right now. they re filibustering neil gorsuch probably the most qualified person in near history for supreme court so the republicans will have to pull the nuclear opening to get him on the court. in the wake of that fallout does anyone think they ll come together and sing and have a bipartisan health care bill? i don t think that s going to happen and by april 28 if we don t get the votes for the budget the government shuts down. there s a big mess on capitol hill and nobody is talking about coming together and holding hands and doing bipartisan health care reform now. it s not going to happen. bill: it was talked about with great enthusiasm in the republican meeting and it s been described we ll see where that goes. i ll mark you down for a maybe. always optimistic. bill: marc thiessen thank you so much. shannon: a busy morning in washington as there are growing calls for house intelligence committee chair devin nunes to step down or with regard to the investigation involving the trump transition, russia surveillance, all those things. mike emanuel tracked down congressman nunes a short time ago and here s what he said. as far as i know they ve done little to look through the documents the intelligence committee provided. at the end of the day we ll get through the truth and find out who s doing a real investigation and you ll find out we are very much doing an investigation and have been for a long time. are you worried about being able to work with mr. schiff? we re always concerned about this and always want to keep the committee bipartisan but at the end of the day we ll do an investigation with or without them and if they want to participate that s fine but the facts of the matter are pretty clear that they have no we don t even know who the witnesses are they want to call. so i d encourage you guys to start to follow them around and find out who they want to bring in and interview. shannon: congressman schiff the ranking democrat on the committee calling for nunes it step away. we re joined by our panel kristen soltis anderson and jessica tarlov. you have congressman schiff the ranking democrat who made statements of his own people feel haven t been backed up by evidence at least not publicly saying there s been collusion and it s now beyond circumstantial evidence. if people are going to be critical of nunes for saying what he s saying waiting on the documents is there the same standard with congressman schiff. if you re going to make a bold claim and talk collusion between russia and the trump campaign or anybody else for that matter you better have the evidence to back that up and be willing to show it to the american people. there s so many falsehoods. a new poll shows 74% of republicans believe trump s wiretap claim which has been de bunked by democrats and we have to make sure about the messaging and make sure the american people know what happened. i m all for showing the evidence but concerned about devin nunes. we don t know why he was in the white house and no one knew he was coming and where d he get the information and the unmasking of names and we don t know who the names are and there s a lot to be concerned about but it s not just a par partisan issue. some republicans want nunes to step down. shannon: lots to unpack. chairman nunes has said if you re talking about the specific language of wiretapping he says no evidence of that but he said there s something he found concerning saying all americans should be concerned about incidental collection or surveillance that involved the trump team after the election. he felt it was substantive and significant enough to talk to the white house about it. he said we on nsa documents to prove his point. there s a lot we don t know. and some things we do and you had national security adviser michael flynn sep count from the role because of a conversation with a russian official recorded by u.s. intelligence officials. his name was unmasked and leaked to the public. this is the sort of thing now the committee is investigating. in addition to investigating whether the trump campaign was doing anything wrong. you now have so many targets being investigated for so many things it can muddy the water. as jessica mentioned you have 74% of republicans who believe the trump campaign was wiretapped. the idea there was an fbi person tapping the wires at trump tower has been debunked is being looked at and appearances matter a lot in politics and that s the challenge they ll have to address. shannon: jessica is this leading to a point where if the democrats can prove a link between the trump campaign and russia it undermines his presidency. is the the ultimate goal? i m not sure. i think democrats are split on this. i have personally talked to a lot of friends about what happens next. say there is proof of collusion between russia and the trump campaign will there be an election? formerly i guess mike pence would take over but that doesn t make sense in this circumstance because the idea would be hillary clinton would be the rightful winner in the election. shannon: we re not talking about changing votes especially not with the constitution in place. absolutely not. that s not in question but whether propaganda that came from russia and influencing from other channels influenced the outcome and democrats need to get clear what it is they re advocating for and what the end result might be. shannon: jessica and kristen. i m sorry. we have to cut it short. there s a lot going on capitol hill. we ll check back on the activity on capitol hill. bill. bill: thank you, shannon. we were talking to our producer on the hill, chad pergram and mike emanuel. the driver apparently revved the engine and that was considered a threat on behalf of capitol hill police and at least one bullet was fired and prior to that the woman did a u-turn and went down the hill and retraced her original steps before the capitol hill police threw up the barricade near the house rayburn engine and the driver stopped and revved the engine and lurched forward and one shot was fired and the driver was not hit and the woman is on the screen on the right is the suspect. she s apparently been removed from the scene. there s no nexus to terrorism so far up this incident. that from capitol hill police reporting a short time ago. they describe it as a traffic stop. more to come. in a moment, facing a crisis in america. how to stop the abuse of prescription drugs. the white house is about to take action. that s next. our heart healthy idaho potatoes, america s favorite potatoes, and donating to local charities along the way. but now it s finally back home where it belongs. aw man. hey, wait up. where you goin ? here we go again. and the butchery begins. what am i gonna wear? this party is super fancy. let s go. i m ready. are you my uber? 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[ doorbell rings ] par-tay! xfinity watchathon week starts april 3. get unlimited access to all of netflix and more, free with xfinity on demand. guest writes in the wall street journal about the problem area in the doctor s office. dr. marc siegel part of the fox news medical team. broad question, how did we get here? well, one way we know which is we have leaky borders and lots of illegal drugs are coming across but four of five people on heroin started in the doctor s office who needs codeine for pain and they feel good and i still haven t involved the problem. where d the back pain come from. could i use heat, physical therapy or acupuncture. in new jersey governor christie has started to crackdown on some of us. 31 doctors under investigation. bill: you write four of five heroin abusers started with prescriptions and doctors pain training is minimal. we don t have enough training on back and farm it out to pain specialists who also over prescribe opioids and governor christie says it s a disease. i say it s worse. opioi opioids grab the soul. president trump talks about the look in someone s eyes who are addicted. addicts can t break it. it comes back. even if you put a person in the treatment program. it comes back. now the treatment programs if they have counseling and 12-step programs are successful part of the time but we need more people that are trained and need doctors to not cause this problem in the first place. bill: you re working hard and fast and trying to see as many as patients on a daily basis and many working at the same speed and sometimes you take a shortcut to move in the next patient. does that suggest training as you described minimal? that s the number one problem you re talking about now. i call it the by the way prescription. you re on the way to the next patient and they re on the way out the door. doc, by the way can i have the percocet. bill: thank you. back to shannon, now. shannon: the white house is taking an active role in efforts to revive a deal on health care. the president says it s easy. newt gingrich will be here live . r great rides.
he may be someone who in many respects is irrational, but he is not insane. also in the president s interview with routers you saw there, he weighed in the demands of the oval office and the take away and mr. trump saying being president isn t easy. i loved my previous life. i loved my previous life. i had so many things. i actually this is more work than in my previous life. i thought it would be easier. not exactly a new idea that being president is tough. president obama suggested that he had more problems than many other presidents first coming into office after the first 100 days. at any rate, the thing we re looking ahead to right now is the appearance of rex tillerson, the secretary of state at the united nations chairing a high-level meeting to talk about north korea. buckling to international pressure. they say this will only encourage their country to grow its arsenal more quickly. it s been a busy week on the ground here. you saw that exercise with hundreds of artillery fired simultaneously. kim jong-un overseeing that event and then this chilling new prop began ta video showing a simulated missile attack on washington, the capital and what appeared to be the uss carl vinson aircraft carrier. we don t know how the dynamics are going to work between kim jong-un and president trump. and you add into the mix china now saying they are willing to work with the united states to try to find a solution on the korean peninsula. it appears the u.s. is trying to find a diplomatic or economic solution here before moving to the next phase of military confrontation and added it to the sense of ser againsy to. job he s doing and what seems like an outright policy shift to the secretary of state being open to a possibility of direct negotiations with north korea. i think all of this is very carefully calculated. i heard from an administration official that all of these public messages from president donald trump s specific input. they want to leave a very narrow path for him to denuclearizing via talks and to signal to china that this time we are serious. we might take military action. so we know you promised the obama administration several times in the past that you would shut down banks or shut down north korea s access to business to put pressure on them, but you haven t. this time we re serious, so you ve got to get serious about this. it s interesting. you know, kimberly says this is a strategy and it may very well be. we could learn from rex tillerson exactly where the united states is this morning on north korea. but one thing that has happened with this white house is you hear two different things from two different parts of the administration at the same time. mike pence says no direct negotiations with north korea unless they denuclearize right now. but you hear other things as well. is there a messaging problem inside this white house? you re right. i think very often these senior administration officials and even the president are not using the same language to talk about situations that they are faces and oftentimes it is because the president is responding, especially in interviews, he is responding to his instinct, his assessment of the situation, which may or may not line up with the administration s policy or strategy in a particular case. so i think we always have to kind of hold out the possibility that, you know, particularly his talk about kim jong-un being sort of a little bit of a sympathetic figure. it s not easy to run a regime like this. that s something that seems a little bit more like the president is just giving his sort of gut take on the situation. i mean, only time will tell where this eventually goes. there are real experts within this administration working on this issue. so, you know, i think as kim is saying, they re working diligently toward a strategy. it just may not always be reflected from the words coming out of the president s mouth. that s an interesting observation right there. i ll let that sink in for a moment. douglas, this just in, being president is hard. donald trump did an interview overnight with ruthers. every president is daunted by the e norty of the task. but what is different for me at least is the notion that he thought somehow running a real estate business and being on the apprentice would have been harder than being president. yeah. i was surprised that he made this comment about being surprised how hard the work is. after the 100th day of the trump presidency marker right now doesn t reassure people to know the guy is sluggi inshrugging a, wow, this is rough. they said this about the health care fight. trump shrugged and said he didn t know health care was so difficult. the concern is when he s saying things like major, major conflict, it is something absurd about it. there used to be a govl catch 22 that showed an absurdy going on in the military back in the 1960s and 70s. the statement by donald trump leaves everybody kind of perplexed. he said this threatens about korea. at the same time he s saying, wow i m really exhausted. kind of talking about rough he has it now. it was an unusual experience of talking to these reporters. i don t know why he decided to mor ph those together like that he brought up health care and another major development overnight. house republican leadership delayed or pulled back the notion they would get a vote on this effort to repeal and replace obamacare. i was looking at the hill. you ve got a pretty high count for people against it or leaning against it. the votes aren t there now. will they ever be? that s a great question. we ve got 21 no or leaning no. there are cousins of other republicans who have not said where they stand. so if they pass this through the house, it is going to be by the thinnest of margins. also, remember, democrats have some leverage even though they don t control congress or the white house. they need democrats to keep the government open. so i think that what speaker ryan is doing is saying let s deal with this first. let s not have a government shutdown and then we ll get to health care. so i think that health care could drag on for a while. but the republican party cannot put its hands up and say we re done. they have to keep trying to really do what they said on the campaign trail is repeal obamacare. who is this on? reince priebus for continuing to push something that s not pushable. paul ryan for not delivering. is it on the freedom caucus for pushing the moderates away and offering something that most of them can t support? that s a good question, one that s really going to heat up in the next week or so. leading into some of the other pushes, there was a lot of pressure placed on senior white house officials like reince priebus, steve bannon who were tasked with managing the freedom caucus and failed to get those votes on the board. but now the tables have kind of turned a little bit. the freedom caucus seems to be there and it is the moderates who are holding out and that is a situation the white house is more comfortable with and the thing you would hear from them all along is the freedom caucus, these are our people. they want to be with the president. they don t want to be against him. and this situation in which the moderates are the ones kind of holding out allows them to sort of place the blame on moderates in congress, as opposed to on the more hard line conservatives. what that will end up meaning is that paul ryan is going to be responsible for twisting the arms of moderate republicans who the end to vote with leadership and, so, we ll see if they re able to do that. it seems like people are feeling much better about the prospects going into next week, even though it will be pretty close. guys, i want to play a little more sound if i can from the interview the president did. first of all, after saying the first 100 days weren t important, he s doing a lot of interviews. but listen to what he says about china and the president of china and what he s willing to do on north korea. my problem is that i have established a very good personal relationship with president xi. i really feel that he is doing everything in his power to help us with a big situation. so i wouldn t want to be causing difficulty right now for him. all right. kimberly, first to you. where is china? as we sit here this morning where is china on north korea quickly? and the president leaning on these personal relationships, how far can he go with them? so china has already cutoff its coal imports from north korea and it has threatened to cutoff its oil exports to north korea and they re one of the only people who supply north korea with oil. so these are major threats that may have kept north korea from doing the nuclear test we were all expecting last week. but what analysts are saying who watch this on a regular basis is they need china also to follow through with cutting off north korea s access to some of its financial services to really make the regime feel hurt and to put them under pressure. and douglas, about this relationship the president feels he has with the chinese president, is it similar to the business relationships he s had in the past? can he expect as much in return? yeah, i think so. and it s probably an important and good thing donald trump seems to be getting along well with china. it seems to me it is part of this north korean strategy. john f. kennedy had a rough first 100 days. and kennedy decided to get out of the slump of the 100 days by going to congress and saying, we re going to put a man to the moon by the end of the decade. donald trump seems to be on a 100th day ratcheting up the idea of war on the korean peninsula, a war nobody wants. but i think part of that strategy is this new friendship with china and perhaps u.s./china can be the two big super powers with a face and you don t have china reacting to what the united states may do to north korea. i think he feels it will be a military win and people will see him as a strong commander in chief. all right. thanks so much. we are waiting to hear from the u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson. will he announce this new willingness to negotiate with north korea. he speaks to the united nations very shortly. where are the votes on health care? an update and head count and whether the effort to repeal and replace obamacare may be dead for good. and the president s obsession with the electoral map. why he revealed a map of red a new setback for republicans in their plan to repeal and replace obamacare. a vote on health care has been delayed. the party seems fractured about how to move forward. joining me now dave of virginia. congressman, thanks so much for being with us. the health care amendment that has been proposed as it currently stands won t allow insurers to charge higher rates. even when we have access to health care, i mean, having coverage doesn t necessarily mean access and there is people who have scored this amendment and believe that it s going to cost people with pre-existing conditions even more money to have coverage. so they will have less access to health care than they presently have. people with pre-existing conditions will have less access than they currently have. why is he wrong, congressman? it s not so much about being right and wrong, but there is five ifs that come before that. in the first place, that person would have to have discontinued coverage to be in that spot. in the second place, the amendment offers choice to the states, choice of economics in american thought is usually a good thing. so it assumes that the state opts out of the regulars. if they do opt out they could pick any set of regulations they want. the governor is probably going to go with the liberal formulation, which wouldn t go that route. so you could get there if you want to piece together the worst possible scenario. but even in that case there is 1$120 billion we ve put and compromised on. so we ve compromised like crazy in getting our friends across the conference to yes. there is $120 billion for pre-existing conditions and we just added another piece that enhances coverage and reduces prices for another 15 billion. we ve got that one covered coming and going. i appreciate you laying out the choices here because that s exactly what this is about. this is about choices states are making. you were an economics professor for years. so lay out the case. also a free market conservative here. why people with pre-existing conditions should be guaranteed the same rates as other folks. well, they re not guaranteed that now, right? that s what i mean. who s doing the guaranteeing that every single case is going to be fully paid for? under obamacare that s clearly not the case. well, the community rating requires that people of a certain age be charged the same amount for health insurance regardless of whether or not they have pre-existing conditions. so these guaranteed by that argument do that now. this is a choice. this is a choice that i think the american people need to be aware of, that some states can choose that people with pre-existing conditions can lose the guarantee of no, no, no. that s not accurate. in obamacare, pre-existing conditions is a regulation in there. we re not getting rid of that regulation. it is still staying. absolutely true. but you are removing the requirement that insurance companies charge the same amount for people with pre-existing conditions. so if you hike the price on them, and this is the argument dan donovan made. that s what i just covered. that s not going to happen because also in the bill it assures that can t happen. no, no. read the bill. no, i did. the state has to come up with a better plan that assures that won t happen and a lynn ral government and a liberal state is not going to do that. you can t pass the common sense test on this. the requirement is in the amendment is that the states have to justify it in one of five ways, one of them would be providing access to people with pre-existing conditions, but that s not a requirement. they could also justify it by saying i m lowering premiums for everybody. what state is donovan from? he s from the state of new york, sir. good. how do you think new york is going to go down that road? right? that s what i m saying. last time on the financial crisis, we let the federal government say banks don t have to assess risk anymore, right? banks can t do banking anymore like you are saying on the insurance here. we had a housing collapse ruin the financial markets. now the federal government in its infinite wisdom is going to weigh in and say insurance can t do insurance and you have to charge the same prices for everybody. it s already in the ditch. obamacare failed. and so what we re trying to do is fix the insurance system and still provide for everyone with pre-existing conditions. but 120 billi$120 billion in ri for that. you laid this out very clearly. that s why i enjoy talking to you here. there are people from texas, for instance with pre-existing conditions and it s something that needs to be laid out, that they could choose a path that would lead to higher rates for them, correct? politicians very rarely vote for spinach these days. the probably of that happening is about zero. so is there a possibility that someone could be worst off? probably. but 99% probably and i just laid out the entire case, along with the fact that obamacare, which follows your logic, which everyone gets gold plated insurance coverage but no one can afford it because the deductibles are $10,000. so you have the coverage, but we could insure that again. let s give everybody gold plated insurance products, but they can t afford to use it so you ve got an insurance card and you can t go because the average american family only has $400 in savings right now. we re providing a better path. free markets have always produced the best outcomes. you get lower prices, more output, better quality, product variety and all that. central government planning has ruined social security and medicare, ruined the housing market. we like to give some power to the states. we have to balance their budgets and new york will do the rieg thing for new yorkers and i m confident of that. professor, it is always a pleasure to talk to you. all i m saying helping to lay out the choices that are being right now. thanks. come back and we ll talk about it again. any time. thanks, john. you bet. all right. president trump says he misses driving a car. here is a question. when is the last time he actually drove a car? 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does he want this job? i think he does. this is a change. we ll put him on the racetrack if he wants to have a little fun in a car. but it is a different lifestyle for him. here is a business guy that had never served in any political office whatsoever. and i think when you hadn t done that or been in that firing line, it is a different lifestyle. i can tell you it comes with a different set of responsibilities. he s got the most responsibility of anybody in the world right now. and, so, i m sure it has been a dramatic lifestyle change, but he s adapted well. if there is one people might suspect or predict might be president it is president of the united states. it is something he campaigned for. so to be surprised now is pretty interesting. on the other thing, look, every president who comes into office is daunted or awed by the size of the task. president obama after his first 100 days said, look, we have more problems. that is different than i thought it would be. so totally is president trump that far off than the other presidents before him? look, being president is hard. hello. yeah, of course it is. the donald trump campaign pretty much ignorant about global affairs, about the way washington works, about, you know, creating and legislating public policy and as a result he made the sweeping campaign promises, right? i am going to get rid of nafta. i am going to build a wall and have mexico pay for it and most notely, i am going to repeal and replace obamacare. now he is facing the realities of guess what, i need china on north korea. if i get rid of nafta, i get rid of 14 million american jobs. guess what? mexico is not going to pay for the wall. guess what? health care is complicated and probably the biggest guess what is, yes, being president is hard. so all i can say the duh. all right. expert analysis right there. i want you to respond to duh if you will and also to the notion that, look, i think he may get used to the job but the job doesn t get any easier. things happen. it will never become an easy job. well, if you look at immigration, energy inpe den dense, defense, all of things were things he talked about during the campaign and started to make changes on. depending on which side you want to support, he s had some great steps along the way and they will continue to get better as he finds his stride and understands how the legislative process works here in washington and he s not just fighting, you know, the other party, he s fighting within his own party because there are so many different factions. you ve got real conservatives and people that run under the banner of conservatives that really aren t conservatives. he s got a lot of different parts whether you look at keystone pipeline, the drop in immigration. 70% say if you look at where the economy has moved, where the consumer confidence is you re seeing a good movement in the right direction in so many fronts. i want to ask one more question to you, patty. on a poll from cnn has to do with the issue of russia and whether or not there was improper contact between the trump campaign and russia. and if there was, would it be a crisis or a major problem. if you look at the breakdown. 80% of democrats say there would be a problem. but 35% of republicans say if there were improper contacts it would be a crisis or a major problem here. so it does look like this has been turned into a partisan issue. if democrats care about this, do they have to convince republicans that it matters? i find that number pretty surprising myself. here s what we know. we know russia interfered with our u.s. elections through the hacking of the e-mails, through the creating fake news. what we don t know and what three investigations are currently trying to figure out is whether or not trump and/or his campaign actually colluded with russia to make these things happen, to interfere with our elections. if there is evidence that trump or his campaign colluded with russia, that s treason, my friend, and that is a major crisis for any president. we don t know yet, but we ll find out certainly in the next, you know, several months. patty and andres, great to have you with us this morning. thanks so much. happy 99th day of the administration. thank you. high drama at the united nations. in a few minutes we will hear from the secretary of state rex tillerson on north korea. so did u.s. policy change overnight? i have asthma. .one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo is specifically designed to open up airways to improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. learn more about better breathing at mybreo.com. neutrogena® see what s possible. sglrchl . the first numbers are in and they fell short of expectations. 0.7% growth is the weakest growth in three years. i am joined by christine. not good. it underscores a narrative that actually president trump won on, that the recovery since the recession has been sub par. the economy should be doing better. the president has promised 3% growth. but this puts it into perspective. 0.7% growth is a slowdown of deceleration really in the american economy and the economic growth. look at the third quarter. you had better growth there longer term. you hadn t seen sustained 4% growth in decades, right? you have to go back to the clinton years. so the president can spin this two ways and say this underscores the need for tax cuts and tax reform. this is why you need to implement my policies, congress, otherwise you will have this lackluster economic growth. on jobs the president is very quick to own the jobs of the first 100 days. i don t think he s going to be quick to own this. exactly. i ll take the jobs. i won t take the gdp. again, he did campaign on creating jobs. do you have a sense of how many jobs have been created. he has done all right here when you look at the 317,000 jobs that have been created. 25 million jobs over the next ten years on job creation, he s actually doing pretty welcome paired to the past few presidents. much better than obama. but obama took office during that recession when we were hemorrhaging jobs. trump s numbers are the best since clinton. if he wants to reach the 25 million he s promised, he s a little behind. he needs to create 208,000 per month. the numbers just aren t there. but american companies are still shipping jobs overseas. it shows more than 4,000 jobs have left the country in trump s first 100 days. another 2,000 set to leave in coming weeks. it is not mexico and china. the data shows up that more jobs are headed to india, which economists always say you are fighting the crisis that happened ten years ago. we are talking about tariffs and renegotiating nafta. but india is where these are doing. we should note the jobs that donald trump created were created during his administration. so i think the president could take credit for a change in the way companies do their pr. they are very quick to say, hey, we are investing in the united states and we are going to grow jobs in the united states and we are going to build factories. great to have you with us this morning. thanks so much. minutes from now the united nations security council holds a special meeting on north korea. rex tillerson will speak there. he indicated the united states might be willing to speak with north korea directly. if he meant it, it is a huge policy shift. we re watching this very close. stay with us. all right, frustrated, fearful and fed up. blue state voters who did not vote for president trump are weighing in on his first 100 days. cnn s kyung lah has their story. reporter: across california s fields i m nervous. reporter: and its cities 100 days of i can t believe this is happening. reporter: to the east coast states of maryland. and massachusetts. at this point, us staying out of world war iii seems to be the number one priority. reporter: the blue states, where donald trump overwhelmingly lost. 100 days into his presidency, fear that they re losing their country but promising a fight. the state of california, the largest, bluest state in the union, leading the fiercest opposition. i don t think he can be impeached soon enough. reporter: at mili s coffee shop in the heart of liberal l.a., i meet alex martini. he frightens me. trump frightens me. reporter: for the first time in this millennial s life, she s afraid the president will hurt her. she is on obamacare. with type 1 diabetes physically, i cannot physically survive without insulin. and without health insurance, this device is almost $4,000. it s almost embarrassing to be an american. reporter: i head 400 miles north to california s central valley. trump s immigration policies sewing fear in the fields that feed america. how many people have their papers? nobody. maybe just me. they re scared to go out, scared to go to the store because they think immigration s rolling around. reporter: farmer joel del vasquez, the son of mexican migrants, couldn t get enough workers this year, problems that escalated after the election. when he talks about mass deportations, that makes me nervous. putting a wall up on the border, that makes me nervous. reporter: and that affects your bottom line. it does, because we can grow the crops, but then we can t pick them. reporter: 3,000 miles away lies baltimore, maryland, a majority black city where only 12% voted for trump. on a stormy morning, i meet melissa bagley, baltimore born and raised. do you think the president has any insight into your life? absolutely not! and i don t think that he cares to. reporter: baltimore s challenges unemployment, crime, and budget shortfalls. bagley has lived through all of them. the fact that young, black boys, not giving birth to five. them, my city is screaming out for help. for all. about being a president i say, wow, but he s failed. he s failed what he promised. he s failed at this point. reporter: on the other side of baltimore works dr. crystal watkins johansson, neuro strst at johns hopkins, a world away, but she, too, feels shut out. from what i hear and i see, i don t feel i m represented at the table. reporter: you don t see yourself at the table? what happens to you in four years? i think that s where the anxiety comes from is because we don t know. reporter: anxiety felt from urban baltimore to idyllic massachusetts. every single congressional district in this state voted for hillary clinton, a liberal unity, awakening activism. [ church bells ] greenfield. it s sunday, and reverend cory sanderson is calling on his progressive christians to be the country s conscience. the truth is out there. reporter: you see the church as a force of resistance? mm-hmm. yeah, i do. i do. he may be underestimating the power in the people and in the sense of resistance against what he s been doing. reporter: after the service, as church members share pastries and coffee, i meetsendra davis, age 21, a music student whose personal crisis collided with trump s election. i actually had an abortion in january this year. i don t want that to be taken away from other women in the future throughout his presidency. let it shine reporter: just days after her abortion, she joined the women s march in her town square to defend choice. you factor into some of this thinking? he factored in, definitely, because i was scared that once he became president, he would make abortions illegal. it was disappointing to me that he was a part of my decision. some of us have been here since november. reporter: gloria started this grassroots opposition group in hadley. i don t know if it s because we have this moment where we almost had our first woman president, and so now we re kind of pissed off. reporter: angry, but also realizing she d become complacent, even on her most personal issue, gay marriage. the supreme court decision came out, and that was really special. reporter: how are you today different than before november 8th? i m way more involved. i am not falling asleep again. reporter: a repeated refrain of determination across three blue states to derail a presidency. kyung lah, cnn, in california, maryland, and massachusetts. all right, our thanks to kyung for that. we have live pictures now from the united nations we want to show you. these are live pictures inside this meeting of the u.n. security council. any minute now, the u.s. secretary of state, rex tillerson, he chairs this very special meeting on north korea and its nuclear program, this amid some startling developments overnight, a possible shift in u.s. policy calling for direct, or at least open to the idea of direct negotiations. we ll be right back. bp engineered a fleet of 32 brand new ships with advanced technology, so we can make sure oil and gas get where they need to go safely. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.
arpaio. in the next hour, a lot more people are here. more than 10,000 people have signed up on facebook to participate in the protest. the rally begins in about two hours. right now, the police are doing a good job keeping both sides separate. the s.w.a.t. is here with rifles. gary, thank you very much. the mayor of phoenix opposed the president s visit. he is a democrat. in a recent op-ed, he accused the president of dousing racial tensions with gasoline and he fears he may be looking to light a match. i spoke to the mayor before we went on air. you called on the president not to come to phoenix. i m wondering what your concern was, is it just the possibility of the protest, certainly there are a lot of trump supporters there that want to see him tonight. i felt after the tragedy in charlottesville, which happened just a short time ago, the president failed moral leadership after charlottesville. his failure to condemn the racism and the nazis there, to have a campaign rally here in phoenix, arizona so shortly thereafter, you put it together, it was such a dangerous combination that i thought the rally was not the correct thing to do here in phoenix. are you concerned about what may happen tonight in terms of any conflict between protesters? tefirst, we have just receiv word that sarah huckabee sanders indicated that the president will not pardon sheriff joe arpaio tonight that. is a great victory for so many people that have been asking the president not to do that. that would be such a volatile thing to do. and because of that, i m much more confident that today is going to be calm and peaceful. in addition, we re so lucky here in phoenix to have a great police chief, a great phoenix police department. they re working with federal and state authorities. they ve got an incredibly complicated but good plan for tonight. and i have the highest level of confidence that they re doing everything possible to make sure we re peaceful here in phoenix. you feel like if he has pardoned announced he was going to pardon sheriff arpaio in phoenix tonight, that would have been potentially incendiary? there is no doubt about it. the singular purpose would have been to inflame passion to pardon sheriff arpaio, who internationally is a cartoon character. but here locally it s possible. he terrorized the lives of so many latino residents. they couldn t go to school or work without fear of facing criminal sanctions for literally doing nothing. he faced a crime, a civil rights trial that he lost. and he was found to be in criminal contempt. so our sheriff has been criminally convicted. and for the president to do that at a campaign rally in front of 10,000 people would the only purpose would have been to enflame passions. and yes, i was very concerned about what that might do on the streets of phoenix. because the president has backed off because of the advocacy of so many leaders here in phoenix, i have a much higher level of confidence that the rally and all of the people expressing their first amendment rights will do so in a peaceful environment in phoenix tonight. in front of an adoring crowd, the president often responds to the crowd and plays off the crowd, and we ve also seen in the past sarah huckabee sanders saying one thing, the president doing something else. so it is still very possible tonight he will either speak about sheriff arpaio or announce that he s going to pardon him if that is what he intends to do. you are correct. he might do that. there s nothing we can do about that, other than his press secretary indicated it s not going to occur tonight in this politicized environment, so shortly after his failure of moral leadership, after the tragedy in charlottesville. yes, if he were to go against what his press secretary said today, it would be a very bad thing and a potentially very volatile thing here in phoenix. what about you know, slightly more conciliatory tone he took last night at the beginning of his address to the nation about afghanistan, seemingly addressing the aftermath of charlottesville, although he never mentioned the community by name. were you impressed by that at all? 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that s right. a couple of people briefed on the phone call said there was fuming about the health care issue, but really the great bulk of the call and most of the heat on the call was directed on that russia issue, the sense that this is out of control and republicans don t have any back. i want to read you something, an amazing detail. it says in a series of tweets this month, president trump criticized mitch mcconnell. so according to your sources, the president believes the senate majority leader should be running interference on the russia investigation. he feels that republicans in congress ought to be not advancing what he views as investigations that are unfair and detrimental to his political interest. i think in some respects it reflects that the president is something of a political amateur. but it s also just a sign of the depth of his defensiveness on this issue. when ever you ve had republicans criticize him on russia or maybe there s something there, it gets the president upset and he expressed that directly to senator mcconnell. it s so interesting what is the president s strategy on this, to not only publicly go after mitch mcconnell in tweets and comments, but to have this personal animosity and shouting matches. one wonders is there a strategy here or just president trump unable to control himself in certainly the sense on the hill is that there is not this plan to get results from this congress. republican senators and donors do feel what s happening at this point is the president is holding grudges against members of his own party who he feels have processed him and he s more focused on those grudges than on crafting ledge heytive resulegi results. another piece says that she could only accompany him on air force one if she committed to voting for the health care bill. and she declined saying she hadn t seen the bill. we know there are hard feelings about the health care issue. i think the depth of those feelings is maybe a little more tense than is widely recognized. certainly fromfolks around mcconnell s operation, and he has through his behavior, made it harder to do anything else, like tax reform or even basic stuff like funding the government. incredible reporting. thanks so much. join joining us now is leon panetta and david gergen, who has worked for presidents in both parties. secretary panetta, how significant is it that mcconnell is questioning whether the president can salvage the mess he s made of his presidency? well, it s a very important statement that reflects a real breakdown between the president and the majority leader in the senate. look, i know mitch mcconnell. he is a he s a pragmatist. he s somebody who likes to get things done. he works at his job, and i think the fact that he fought very hard for the health care bill, lost it by one vote. to then have the president come after him and be critical of what he did, particularly a president who is all over the place on health care, from repeal to covering everybody, and then use some of the strong arm tactics that you talked about that blew up. i just think it s a reflection at this point in time that there is a real breakdown between the president of the united states and the leader of his party in the senate. and it doesn t bode well for getting anything done this fall on major issues. david, do you see a strategy here by president trump to do this? have you ever seen a relationship between a president and his party s leader in the senate that s more dysfunctional? i don t see any strat skri at a strategy at all. i see a temperament problem, how well suited donald trump is or not suited for working with the senate. it s so important to go back to the basics. the senate and the house are co-equal form a co-equal branch of government under the constitution. they are as powerful and to be as respected as the presidency itself. in fact, it s article i is about the congress and article ii is about the president. the founders saw the congress more important. but to go beyond that, the senate members still think of themselves as belonging to a club. each party has its own club. and for mcconnell, who is a proud man, this is insulting to be treated this way by the president, and it is driving him away from the president. interestingly, that fascinating story in the new york times says that the business leaders who deserted the president have now started to gravitate to mcconnell as the person they ought to work with. this could well turn out to believe, before its over, that mcconnell and other republicans will say we ll just run this ourselves mr. president, we ll send you the bill and you sign it. we have to take a quick break. we ll continue the conversation next and dig deeper into the implications of the republican party and the president at war. our new president has not been in this line of work before. and i think had excessive expectations about how quickly things happen. mitch, get to work and let s get it done. opportunity sales event before it ends. choose from the is turbo, es 350 or nx turbo for $299 a month for 36 months if you lease now. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. hey. what can you tell me about your new social security alerts? 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i just want to remind you of some of the things the president has said publicly about mitch mcconnell. i m very disappointed in mitch. but honestly, repeal and replace of obamacare should have taken place. mitch, get to work and let s get it done. they should have had this last one done. they lost by one vote. for a thing like that to happen is a disgrace. he should have known that he had a couple of votes that turned on him, and that should have been very easy to handle. should he step down? if he doesn t get repeal and replace done and if he doesn t get taxes done, meaning cuts and reform, and if he doesn t get a very easy one to get done, infrastructure, if he doesn t get them done, then ask me that question. secretary panetta, i asked this to david gergen before we went to break. do you see a strategy here? is it a way that the president distancing himself from the failure over obamacare or is it just emotion? there is no strategy here. i think what you re seeing is a president who has very little experience in governing. very little experience in politics. and he s taking the same kind of approach that he did when he was a developer in new york, in bullying other people, in criticizing them, and in trying to bully them into doing what he wants. and it worked for him, not only in the business world, it worked for him when he ran for election. and so he thinks all of this will work for him in governing the country. but it s not. you cannot bully members of congress to somehow come your way. you ve got to deal with them. you ve got to respect them. you ve got to talk to them in equal terms. and if he doesn t learn that lesson, mark my word, he will not achieve any major legislation, certainly in this first year of his presidency. david gergen, i keep thinking about just the toxic environment the president seems to create all around him, whether it s a relationship with mitch mcconnell right now, or people in white house, these competing camps that we ve seen in the white house. for months now, the white house has been deny thing s any chaos. those clearly were just lies. we now know there s been complete kay uchaos. you now have strong people, h.r. mcmaster and others that want to do good work for the country. when there was talk that gary cohen might step down, the markets dropped. it just seems like the president creates a toxic environment for all those around him who are trying to do the best they can. i agree. it goes back to what leon just said. that s the way he did business in new york, the way he conducted business. you can talk to any number of people that did business with him there that tried to bully him, tried to strong arm him and would get very aggressive if they didn t go along with what he wanted. that s just who he is. it s time to reject the excuse that he s an amateur. he s been on the job seven months. he wanted this job. it s not an excuse any longer, well, i don t know my way around. i ve seen a lot of presidents who come to town who are not familiar in washington, but they learn on the job quickly. bill clinton was an example of that. it took him a while, he stumbled in the beginning, but he learned and he grew into the job. and we haven t seen that here. one of the things, anderson, that s really interesting, we see a little more order and we saw it in afghanistan, the generals clearly are starting to have some impact inside on at least policymaking on afghanistan. but the generals don t know anything about politics, either. i don t see the team around him that knows much about governing and about the politics of trying to build the republican party. secretary panetta, how important is that to have that team around him? it seems like with h.r. mcmaster, cohen, he has a lot of experts in their field on policy, but politics is a whole other different matter. the president, i think, thinks that he s the smartest guy in the room. and that s the biggest mistake a president can make. and i think when it comes to political decisions, when it comes to decisions involving domestic policy, i don t think he listens very well. and so the result is, he hasn t been willing to build the kind of team that he built on national security. he s built a strong team on national security. thank god he s willing to listen to them. what he needs to do is to build that same kind of team when it comes to the legislative challenges he faces on the hill. the economic challenges that are facing this country. he s got to be able to have a team that can do the job, because frankly, he can t do it. he s not built right to be able to do this. he s going to have to rely on good people who are willing to reach out and try to develop coalitions in the republican party, respect the leaders on both sides, and try to develop the kind of coalition that can pass tax reform, that can pass funding for infrastructure, and do the things he wants to achieve. if he s not willing to do that, then i think nothing is going to happen. i appreciate your time. thank you. when we come back, what do you wear on a government plane on a visit to one of the poorest states in the country? if you re the treasury secretary s wife, you wear as much designer clothing as you can, then you instagram about it and belittle somebody who criticizes you for it. the latest on her, ahead. un-stop right there! uh. yes, erin, it is great time to score a deal. we need to make room for the 2018 models. relive the thrill of beating the clock. the volkswagen model year end event. hurry in for a $1,500 in available bonuses and 0% apr for 60 months on a new 2017 jetta or passat. the treasury secretary s wife, louise linton, posted an instagram photo bragging about her wealth, tagging luxury designers clothe s she was wearing and flaunting a hand bag that cost about $10,000. when an oregon mom commented that her behavior was deplorable, and linton hit back. this was all during a trip to kentucky, where the median income is less than $44,000. randi kaye has the story. reporter: the controversy took flight after her plane landed when steve mnuchin s wife posted on instagram. bragging about flying with her husband on a government plane to kentucky to visit ft. knox. she has a reputation for flaunting her wealth and appeared to be carrying a handbag that sells for about $10,000. mnuchin s 36-year-old wife then tagged a series of luxury designers. linton s instagram started to pick up steam. one instagramer, who was offended by the post, was an oregon mom named jenny miller. glad we could pay for your little getaway, #deplorable. i didn t know who she was. to then be tagging everything she was wearing with all these expensive european designer names just seemed ridiculous and quite frankly, offended me as someone who paid for part of their trip. reporter: but it didn t end in. instead of letting it go, she ripped into the oregon mother of three, with a long, konld se condescending rant. she said, cute, ahh, did you think this was a personal trip? adorable. before it was over, linton called miller adorably out of touch, suggesting she go chill out and watch the new game of thrones. there are probably better ways to spend her time and money than trying to make me feel bad about my simple, cute life. reporter: luis linton, a former actress, has long touted her wealth and hollywood lifestyle. of all things she played marie antoinette on csi. keep in mind, they were visiting kentucky, one of the poorest states in the country. that only added to jenny miller s frustration, who felt linton could have done something to help the children of kentucky instead of bragging about her expensive wardrobe. jenny miller didn t even know that linton had responded to her, until her sister told her about it. it was as tone deaf as her original post, and that it was very ironic that she was calling me out of touch and assuming things about me and just being so condescending and so incredibly rude. reporter: jenny miller didn t drop it either, posting again, apparently i offended this deplorable girl i had never heard of until today. according to my 22nd google search, she s married to an old rich guy in a wedding attended by other couples of similar age and beauty gaps. but that post never made it to linton s instagram page. by then she changed the setting to private. this was hardly the first time linton was caught up in controversy. last year, the memoir she wrote about her time in zambia in the 90s when she was just 18 also got her in hot water. in the book titled in congo shadow she painted herself as what critics called a white savior, when she wrote about becoming a central character in the horror story of the war in the congo. she wrote, i try to remember a smiling, gap-toothed child with hiv, whose greater joy was to sit on my lap and drink from a bottle of coca-cola. the washington post says the book was panned as racist and full of misrepresentations and ridiculous cliches about africa. she later apologized for offending anyone and pulled the book from sale. randi kaye joins me now. today, another apology from linton. reporter: absolutely. this afternoon, she issued a statement through her publicist saying, i apologize for my post on social media yesterday as well as my response. it was inappropriate and highly insensitive. in addition to that, the treasury department has said the couple will be reimbursing the government for linton s travel and she does not receive compensation for products she mentions on line. anderson? why does she have a public t publicist? is she an actress? she was an actress from scotland. she s done a little bit of television. but she also has done some acting as well in hollywood. all right. thank you very much. what do you make of this, kirsten? well, i mean, first of all, the post came off as something you would expect from not just a teenager, but a very nasty teenager. this was just really kind of unbelievable how nasty she was to this woman. you know, separate from the fact that it s just bad judgment to be the wife of a public servant posting these kinds of pictures with all these hash tags of expensive things. that bag that she was carrying ranges between $10,000 and into the hundreds of thousands. for the bag? yes, for the purse she was carrying. this is when you re going to a state where the whole country there s a lot of suffering. but in that state in particular. looking at this photograph that she posted, that s not a photograph she took, but a photograph she had to search out somebody else took or asked somebody to take or somehow she searched it out and intentionally posted it. and it s not just that she hash tagged the designers, she tagged the items in the photograph, so that any time anyone searches for that bag, that photo will pop up if you look under hermes bag. this is what teenagers do. it s all about exclusion. not only showing how great a time you re having and how great you are, but that other people are not having this time. and that s what this seems to be about. how do you see it? clearly, i think as randi said in her piece, she played marie antoinette, who is famous for saying, let them eat cake. so to the degree you said in terms of what all you have to do to get this on, it s way beyond with me with regard to the dwram. b instagram. but she went out of her way to do this. we re seeing this with others in this administration that have money is they just don t understand that what they re saying and what they re doing is out of touch with the average american person. and as they were just returning from kentucky, those people, average median income, about $0,0$ $40,000. they just don t understand that kind of post and extravagance and calling attention to it is insulting to the american person. the people s billionaire people referred to him during the convention. what is s so concerning about this, the things she said to this woman, is this idea that they re making this huge sacrifice by working for the president of the united states. her husband is working for the president of the united states. he s the head of the treasury department in the united states of america, and it s a sacrifice to her to be married to this person. we all know it s not because he s making a billion dollars this year or however much he used to make. that mentality, which we also hear from the trumps a lot, of how much they have given up to serve in the government. when in fact for most people serving in the government is a huge honor. the honor of most people s lives. exactly. a couple things to point out that are moot points at this point because we re well beyond this. but it s not uncommon for spouses to travel with cabinet members and others in the administration. they need to reimburse the cost of the travel. and moving forward, i think it s imperative, one of the things that she says, she s talking about the sacrifice. it s a blessing to do this. and if nothing else, this is an important lesson to learn. she s not a public figure being a spouse of a cabinet member. but it s an important lesson that everything you say and do, not just represents you, but in turn the administration. so hopefully this h be a good lesson for her that in the future you need to be more careful what you say and the implications. so if she s using her vast resources to employ a publicist, and i don t know if the publicist had anything to do with this photograph, but maybe consult the publicist, somebody with a clear head, or even ask the husband, is this a good idea for me to like be i don t understand why they don t know this. i don t understand why they don t already know that this isn t a good idea. that s why i m getting lost. i don t understand people that think attacking somebody in that manner on instagram, your adorable little family because they re not super wealthy, i am just lost as to why someone has to educate this woman about that. i mean, let s be honest, it s tacky and disgusting. it s vulgar. my mom always said, she knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. she knows the price of her purse and she wants everybody to know she s wearing whoever underwear. that will be the next hash tag. i think her apology was sincere. it wasn t one of those apologies that, i m sorry if i offended you. and it was eight hours too late. you re just a sweet heart. the woman who responded to her, they re trying to raise money for her friend who had a stroke. so hopefully that person will receive a lot of money from her. thanks. coming up next, tensions boiled over last night in charlottesville city council meeting. when the meeting resumed, protesters sounded off. we ll talk about their outrage when we continue. when you have allergies, it can seem like triggers pop up everywhere. luckily there s powerful, 24-hour, non-drowsy claritin. it provides relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 different allergens. live claritin clear. somewhere along of self-discovery: a breakthrough. it s in our nature to need each other. 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because they are coming back. they ve already said so. what are you all planning to do when they come back? those statues are still there. that s their beacon. reporter: city leaders have taken the first steps to remove the two confederate statutes in charlottesville but that will take some time to work out. in the meantime, city leaders plan to cover the monuments in a shroud until they re removed permanently. it s a move that likely won t calm many in charlottesville, as city leaders brace for an open town hall meeting on thursday. ed lavendera, cnn, new york. with the president facing criticism for his comments on the violence in charlottesville, as we mentioned h eed he is out tonight in arizona where he hopes to flplay to his base at campaign rally. he ll be greeted by supporters and protesters in the streets. crowds gathered at the phoenix convention center where he ll speak in about an hour. miguel marquez is there. what are the crowds like where you are, miguel? reporter: well, they are growing and angry. shouts of justice and shame as the trump supporters go into the arena there. i m going to show you some of the groups that have shown up here. antifa, militant anti-fascist group just showed up here in masks. they say they are not intent on causing any militant action today. but i want to give you a sense of just how big this crowd is here. it s probably 2,000, 2,000-plus. people keep pouring in from over on this side, but if you turn around this way, you can see over there by those balloons, that s where the main brunt of the cloud crowd is, that s where the convention center is, that s where they are shouting at the trump supporters as they go into the convention center. still an hour away from the president actually speaking here. it s not clear whether these crowds are going to stay. phoenix police treating this like a major event like the super bowl, essentially, saying it is all hands on deck for them. they have all law enforcement agenciy ies including the natio guard on alert for this hoping nothing goes wrong. i can tell you, there is a very, very big contingent of police here. one thing that they have done, they ve blocked off streets around the area so that no one can drive a car into this. they have the dump trucks and barriers across all the streets of this area hoping they can stave off any sort of issues. there were some moments earlier today where the direct where there was direct sort of confrontation between trump supporters and people who do not agree with the president, but those seem to have calmed down. phoenix police using mainly officers who are ununiformed, literally, to get in between the protesters on both sides. let them have their say, but at the same time, not let it get beyond just screaming and shouting. anderson? 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main event is now over. so that does it for us from hamburg tonight. rachel will be back on monday, and i will see you again next friday live from iraq where we will take you to the front lines for the final push to drive isis out of the city of mosul. now it s time for the last good evening, richard. thank you for all that reporting. but you go, i do want to ask you given everything, do you think putin got what he wanted out of president trump today? i think he absolutely got what he wanted. i think he came in with this intention to have a long meeting. i think he wanted to overwhelm the president, presenting him lots of options, lots of things they could discuss, put some meat on the table for them to start digging right into it and hoping this will lead to more discussions, more follow-on, and a tighter relationship. interesting. richard engel, thank you very much. absolutely. i am ari melber live in new york for lawrence o donnell. now for months, people have been watching to see if donald trump would pivot. today it happened. president putin and i have been discussing various things, and i think it s going very well. we ve learned the president did, in fact, confront putin for meddling in the u.s. election. they had a very robust and lengthy exchange on the subject. sergey lavrov coming out and saying that president trump accepted putin s denial. translator: he accepts the things that mr. putin has said. one administration source is telling me that is not accurate. bear in mind that unless it was tillerson himself, that person was not even in the room. just yesterday, president trump cast doubt on the allegations regarding russia. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. it was only the russians, and they did so i have aggressively and effectively. at this point, let s talk about how do we go forward. yeah, let s. this idea of putting it behind us, i think, is a bit of a fantasy. there was a very clear, positive chemistry between the two. president putin is never going to be your friend. we need to treat him with extreme caution. the meeting is over. president trump and vladimir putin held that first meeting today eight months of course after an election that the u.s. government determined was targeted by russia. and this is the easy part, the talking part. any president would be expected to lay down a rhetorical marker in the first meeting with an adversary after attempts to interfere with our democracy. and a president who ran on putting america first, a logical application of that slogan obviously requires putting america before russia. but the trump administration instead offered a very mixed message, suggesting that donald trump talked to putin about russian interference, but that and it s too important to not find a way to move forward. too important to not find a way to move forward. notice that tillerson is treating his ideological conclusion as some kind of universal preference as if everyone thinks russia is such an important partner that its attacks on the united states must be just swallowed. of course most american leaders have not taken that kind of approach as a given, from president reagan to president obama, most leaders have not rejected american intelligence and called its conclusions into suggestion just to smooth over relations with this adversary. mr. secretary, can you say if the president was unequivocal in his view that russia did interfere in the election? did he offer to produce any evidence or to convince mr. putin? the russians have asked for proof and evidence. i ll leave that to the intelligence community to address. the answer to that question. and, again, i think the president at this point, he pressed him and then, you know, felt like at this point let s talk about how do we go forward. that s weird. tillerson is literally saying the u.s. intelligence community should answer the russians questions about evidence like our spies are answerable to the people they spy on, and they should provide evidence to the opponents they re accusing of these attacks. why would you want to give the russians any clues about how the intel community knows what it knows? in court, sure. american citizens have a right to see the evidence against them. this isn t a court. the russians aren t honoring our rules. they re breaking them. and if this is if this is any road to cyber war, something dick cheney himself suggested, well, you don t publicly tell your own intelligence officials, who of course risk their lives in these kind of wars, to brief the potential enemy. as for tillerson s key word tonight, question, the government he serves already has the answer. russia meddled in the election. the last administration announced it and acted on it. congress, in a bipartisan manner, has acted on it. and trump apparently brought it up today while also sowing more doubt about it. illogical, that position. but perhaps predictable. she s saying russia, russia, russia, but i don t maybe it was. i mean it could be russia, but it could also be china. it could also be lots of other people. it also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? she doesn t know if it s the russians doing the hacking. maybe there is no hacking. once they hack, if you don t catch them in the act, you re not going to catch them. they have no idea if it s russia or china or somebody. it could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace. joining me now is david filipov from hamburg, germany, michael mcfaul, and julianne smith, former national security when he read it out. he didn t say president trump said i was concerned. are we overreading that? i ve seen that observation because it s noticeable, but is it a problem? you know, i worked at the white house for three years. i was in these meetings with both prime minister putin at the time and president medvedev. i never remember a kind of construction like that. i never remember a construction where it said it was noted, right, past tense. it was noted that the senate was concerned about this. why isn t president trump concerned about this? right. i just think by answering it that way, this idea that we re just going to move along after our sovereignty has been violated, that s not in the american interest. that is a weak response to what putin did last year. julianne, what did putin get out of this, and why was the meeting so long? well, i think he wanted to get a smile. he wanted to extend the meeting so that they d come out afterwards. there would be a lot of questions about what was discussed. there would be some confusion over who s reporting what. he wanted this to look like a fireside chat with some old friends. he needs that photo opportunity. he wanted to show that he could basically play president trump, and i think he did just that. i think trump came in unprepared. i don t think he was well briefed. i don t think his team readied him for this meeting, and i think the end result is that putin got just about everything he wanted from that meeting, including a very, very light touch on russian meddling in our election last fall. and that s a shame because this issue is not going to go away, or this tactic on the part of the russians. they re going to do this again. they did it in france most recently. they will likely do it in germany this fall. and i would assume that they re going to do it in 2018 and 2020 in the united states again. david, you know the old saying, don t know much about history. rex tillerson bringing up the chemistry between these two men for whatever reason. take a listen. the two leaders, i would say, connected very quickly. there was a very clear positive chemistry between the two. i think, again and i think the positive thing i observed, and i ve had many, many meetings with president putin before is there was not a lot of relitigating of the past. david, would you consider it relitigating something that the two men have never discussed before? that s what we call a leading question, but i don t know how else to ask it. well, i mean obviously the point of all this was to put all this behind everybody and have a nice picture moving forward, right? so the american people see this picture of, you know, president trump behaving in a dignified way with president putin. now we re all going to move forward and not think about this stuff anymore. this whole calculation is great for russia and maybe great for people in the rest of the world. americans who are really interested, like my two colleagues here on this panel, didn t get any answers. we didn t get any answers whatsoever. is putin going to have to answer for what he did? does president trump really believe that this election hacking happened? but for the people who don t care, they got a great picture of them kind of like wrapping it up. okay, that was too bad about that. let s move on. i mean i guess, i mean, ambassador, yeah, some people don t care by definition. then i guess well, they should care. they might not see the photo in the first place. but last time i checked, the american public does have issues with russia. i suppose some of the partisan lines of this are changing if putin is a stand-in for the republican party, but that shift hasn t completely occurred. and this would be odd ball in the extreme to suggest it s a win for a u.s. president to back off an adversary. and let s be clear about when secretary tillerson is saying the two leaders said, we should just move on and forget about the history, forget about the agenda, what is that agenda? that agenda is created by vladimir putin. he s the one that intervened in our elections. we didn t do that. he did that to us. he s the one that annexed territory in ukraine. he created that as an agenda item. we didn t do that. he s the one that doubled down and tripled down in his support for assad in syria. half a million people have died there. that agenda is created by him. so surprise, surprise, he wants to move on. that is not smart diplomacy. diplomacy is not a popularity contest. right. diplomacy is about defending america s national interest and defending international interest. thou shall not interfere in elections in other countries. thou shall not annex the territory of thy neighbor. we can t forget about those events. we have to make sure they don t happen again. julianne, the russian foreign minister basically stakes out this dramatic ground. this was headline breaking this afternoon with some pushback as we ve noted but saying, oh, yeah, and trump took putin at his word. take a listen. translator: president trump has said that he has heard clear declarations from mr. putin that russian leadership and russian government has not interfered in the elections, and he accepts the things that mr. putin has said. what s going on there? well, this doesn t surprise me at all that we have two conflicting versions of the meeting, and that s why the u.s. team, everyone should have agreed to bring in more staff, note takers. i know mike mcfaul when he was part of the administration as ambassador or as senior director for russia, he himself would be in a meeting like that to provide a readout to the press afterwards. we now only have the four principals that were in this meeting with two translators. the two translators are obviously not going to share their notes. so we re left with a question. who s telling the truth? do we believe the u.s. administration, president trump s version of the story, or president putin s version of the story? and neither one of these guys are known to be honest abe. right. they both have trouble with the truth obviously. honest vladimir. a subsidiary question are what are the foreign policy feeling that they can lie about the word of the president of the united states, apparently unconcerned about any reaction, which again if you re for america first and being tough, i would assume one of the benefits of being tough is countries don t get away with lying about what you said moments after you said it. david, going back to you, this is how the new york times put it, that they were trying to prevent exactly this kind of thing. i guess maybe it didn t work. quote, the russians had agitated to include more staff in the meeting. trump s team had insisted the meeting be small, avoid leaking and competing accounts later. and that was someone speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity, but we have competing accounts, month? yeah, we obviously were thinking all day about what was going on there. you know, ivanov also threw out american reporters from that briefing like myself even though the thing was broadcast live on russian channels. you know, there s an attempt in vladimir putin s presidency to whitewash the past, to make things a lot smoother, to present a view of the world that, hey, russia is just a country that s trying to get along. we re not really trying to interfere in anybody s elections. and these press conferences really played toward that. why president trump needs that is something that is harder to understand. but what the russians were trying to do was push this whole thing forward. that statement by ivanov, basically saying we confirm there was no hacking and the u.s. president agrees with it. and we ll be asking everybody we in washington, did president trump really accept this? did he really say that? it sounds out of this world that he would just go and put it away like that with the entire country interested in this investigation. ambassador mcfaul, i have the final question for you. it may be the hardest to answer. going forward, is the trump administration taking the position that russia either didn t meddle or it barely mattered, so it s all good, or is there a view that to the extent they meddled, it was to help trump? so he doesn t really need to prevent it because it could help him again in the reelect. i don t know the answer to that obviously. i wasn t in the meeting. by the way, i used to negotiate who would be in those meetings, plus one, plus two, plus three. i had assumed that the russians kept the americans out. if this reporting by the new york times is true, that raises serious doubts about the relationship that the national security adviser, h.r. mcmaster has, that the president doesn t even want his national security adviser in the room for fear of leaks. that s a big problem. right, because he wouldn t be leaking if it s working. there s only three people. i mean that to me is very disturbing. i hope we learn more about that. to your question, i don t know the answer with respect to how president trump s thinking. but i do know the answer with respect to how russia is going to behave. it is naive beyond imagination to assume that the russians or the chinese or somebody in the future is going to only hack is going to only interfere in our elections on the side of the republican party. right. that is crazy. so rather than debate about, you you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. or a little internet machine? 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[ laughing ] so all you pay for is data. see how much you can save. choose by the gig or unlimited. call or go to xfinitymobile.com introducing xfinity mobile. a new kind of network designed to save you money. the president opened the meeting with president putin by raising the concerns of the american people regarding russian interference in the 2016 election. just a day before donald trump, according to rex tillerson, was prettying vladimir putin on the russian interference in the election, he was publicly the u.s. intel agencies, who of course as we all know concluded unanimously that russia did in fact interfere. i agree. i think it was russia, but i think it was probably other people and/or countries, and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. i remember when i was sitting back listening about iraq. weapons of mass destruction. how everybody was 100% sure that iraq had weapons of mass destruction. guess what. that led to one big mess. they were wrong, and it led to a mess. that kind of set of comments may be habitual for trump, but it doesn t make it normal. sally yates, a doj career prosecutor who was acting attorney general at the start of the trump administration before she left over a travel ban debate, wrote this impassioned response. the president s inexplicable refusal to confirm russian election interference insults career intel pros and hinders our ability to prevent it in the future. joining me now for more is evan mcmullin, a former cia operative, co-founder of stand up republic. i m also joined by david corn, the washington bureau chief for mother jones and, apparently, david, a founder of nothing. it s on my bucket list. well, get on in. then again evan is a patriotic and physically courageous man which i always admire because it s not something i ever knew how to do. david, you ve covered this russia story a lot. talk to us about when you see that kind of response from someone like sally yates. well, i think she s reflecting what many people are thinking inside and outside of the intelligence community. the president also, in recent days said it was only four intelligence agencies that came up with this conclusion. it was really the ones that count, the nsa, the cia, the fbi, and joined by the office of the director of national intelligence, which oversees the whole community. so whenever he gets a chance, and you saw this in the readout with rex tillerson today. they diminish and dismiss the significance and the importance of this. he says he s honored to meet putin, the guy who attacked this country. he was talking this morning in a tweet about john podesta not giving dnc servers to the cia. all that is wrong. it has nothing to do with this. isn t this part of the problem. so then folks are trying to clean it up. so we re talking about 17 agencies versus four, and you get the feeling that this is a person who is a master of pettifogging, a master of parsing. how do you think the factual community should deal with that? that s why you ve got to stick to the big picture in terms of facts. it s quite clear that trump, from the very beginning, throughout the summer and since then, he s aided and abetted putin s campaign by denying or diminishing it or saying it didn t happen at all. again and again and again. and i think so we can make fun and say why is he doing this, but there s a reason why. and you have to keep presenting that bigger context. i think it s kind of disgraceful that even today he was not defending america s national interest when it comes to sitting down with putin and also joking with the guy about the media. and this is a guy who leads a regime where journalists are killed. you know, it s easy to go on and on and be outraged about this, but sometimes outrage is factual. that s right. look, i think what we saw in this european visit or what we ve seen so far was what you would expect to see based on trump s signaling during the campaign, that he was going to align with vladimir putin. that speech in warsaw was full of ethno nationalism language, talking about our culture, our civilization, not about democracy, not about liberty and equality, but it really is a term to describe ethnicity and describing a battle of civilizations between what we have in the west and other cultures, namely, i think, islam. so then he goes and he meets with vladimir putin, and all of a sudden the hacking isn t an issue. all of a sudden, we re making a commitment not to interfere in which protects him in the house still strong, still doubting what they re hearing from the intelligence community. as long as he can do that, then he s protected politically. this is now a political game, and that s what i think he s doing. david, listen to james clapper, of course, who used to be the head of dni, the agency you were mentioning here, talk about this and morale. it certainly isn t morale-building, i ll put it that way. i do think, though, that the intelligence community will continue to convey truth to power even if the power ignores the truth. and that s one of the great strengths of the intelligence community and the superb men and women who are in it. david, it may be a great strength of the intel community, but it is a little more depressing than the optimism he s trying to find because the main client of the intel community is the president. it s a sad statement. evan can probably speak to this better than you or i could. but people who work for the cia, case officers, often have to take tremendous risks, and they have to put their agents often in harm a way. now, if they all think that the guy at the top doesn t care about them or think there s part of a deep state allied against him, are they still going to take those risks? are people going to leave? morale is important in the epa. it s important in the state department, every place else, but it s very important for people who are taking those risks. sure. ultimately at the end of the day, a president can only make good decisions if he has good information and cares about that information. you know, trump is undercutting that whole premise, and that could lead us into even deeper and darker trouble. evan, you get the last word of this segment, and also is any of this going to potentially change based on the results of bob mueller s investigation? look, i would say this. what david corn just said is correct, but i think the issue mitch mcconnell and the trump white house have a special plan for a blitz. our panel will explain next. noo introducing the easiest way to get gillette blades text blades to gillette on demand text to reorder blades with gillette on demand. .and get $3 off your first order we are live here on friday night, and sometimes the breaking news comes in on friday. as i can tell you i m holding a washington post report out tonight that we re discussing for the first time on air on season that the white house and mitch mcconnell are planning a whoooo. you re searching for something. like the perfect deal. .on the perfect hotel. so wouldn t it be perfect if there was a single site where you could find the right hotel for you at the best price? 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here s some of what senator moran is hearing. americans don t work hard all their lives to have an american dream and get somewhere just to say, oh, okay. yeah, you can have all my taxpayer money, and i m going to go over here and curl up and die because you think i don t deserve health care. joining me now, a washington columnist for the boston globe, and also joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. joan, andy card used to say, you don t roll out a big product in august, or at least not a product you re excited about. not something you really want to sell. you want to wait until the fall when you re excited about something. i remember that too. this is crazy. also the idea of ted cruz as pitchman. i mean i know he s doing some weird ideological shape-shifting by suggesting that maybe they cut not cut but actually leave the taxes, some of the taxes in place. he s trying to act like, you know, the firefighter on the scene, but he s widely despised by his colleagues. i mean al franken, you know, joked that i know what you re going to say. i know. you know, people hate him more than i do, and i hate him. so this is a very, very weird situation. also people like jerry moran are home and hearing about why people are afraid of what they re trying to do. right. so i have no idea what they re doing. they should have talked to andy card. well, it has a patina of panic, but it may be a reflection that they think in the light of day, in the fall, you know, open season, the bill has no shot. so maybe august is the only shot. now, indira, i m going to put it to you straight here. i ain t that old, but i m old enough to remember when if you got a bad cbo score on a piece of national policy legislation, the response was to reform the underlying legislation to get a better cbo score. i mean people in both parties said, okay, we care about the numbers. if the thing is too expensive or has too many negative consequences, we ll fix it and go back to the cbo. instead let me read, quote, the goal will now be to counter the non-partisan cbo analysis of the legislation which shows 22 million fewer people would have insurance coverage, and to counter it to show from conservative groups and other republicans who say there are more benefits and less disruptions should the bill pass. translation, they don t want to fix anything that the cbo found. they want to point to alternative sources that make the bill look ostensibly better. well, alternative sources sounds an awful lot like alternative facts, ari. the problem here is that as you say, in the past the idea was to fight fire with fire. if the facts were that the cbo said this doesn t work, then you tried to find a way to fix it and make it work. this trump administration and also the republican leadership in the senate don t seem to want to try to fix it. they want to counter it and say, no, that s fake news. that s not true. let s just counter it with our own information. but what you said, i thought, was really interesting, that there was a tinge of panic or a patina of panic in the air, and they have ever good reason to be panicked, and why? an analysis that came out of m.i.t., and these are people who understand math unlike most people in america, and i would say that includes most of us. they analyzed of all the polls of looking at attention to, you know, legislation over the last 30 years. this is the least popular piece of legislation in 30 years. wow. you know, last month it was polling at 12%. i mean wow because it s not like every other piece of legislation that an unpopular congress has ever talked about is also beloved. so that s really saying something. i did say patina of panic, and that s because i like alliteration. i have a simple mind and it helps me remember things. we are going to fit in a quick break. when we come back, vladimir putin s controversial joke to donald trump. what if we pull customer insights from the data in real time? wait, our data center and our clouds can t connect? michael, can we get this data to.? look at me.look at me. look at me. you used to be the yes guy. what happened to that guy? legacy technology can handcuff any company. but yes is here. so, you re saying we can cut delivery time? yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. anticipated meeting between donald trump and vladimir putin, there was something caught on tape. it was a joke, and it was a joke about journalists. this was right after the official photo opp ended. news camera crews were just starting to break down. thank you, everyone. these are the ones, lol. but it s actually not that funny. when you think about the fact that of course both these men have tangled with the press. and while no prosecutor has ever accused donald trump of criminally violating the first amendment, he has of course been roundly criticized for everything from publicizing false stories to mocking an american journalist s handicap, to allegedly threatening to impugn journalists who want call and apologize to him for their coverage. there is no moral equivalence between that kind of conduct and vladimir putin s track record. that s why it was shocking to see an american president laughing with putin, who according to reports like this one in business insider has been accused of being involved in the deaths of more than two dozen journalists in his own country. indira and joan are back with us. joan, your thought watching that exchange between them. it was kind of horrifying. you know, putin is obviously trying to cozy up with trump. trump is trying to cozy up with him. but the idea that these two really authoritarians are making common cause around, you know, the free press, the allegedly free press, is scary. and trump needed his backing. i mean trump is kind of like the odd ball at these global meetings now. he s sort of an outcast because he s behaved so abominably. putin showed up today like he was going to be the one that protects the odd kid from the bullies or other kids. that s what it felt like when he was like, this is what s going on with the they re bonding over something. over that. over something really kind of awful. indira, joan calls trump the odd ball. others said it sometimes looked like g19 plus one. put this exchange about journalists in that context. here s the larger context. the larger context is that since 1993, 60 journalists have been murdered in russia. so whether vladimir putin was directly involved with those murders or not, certainly the russian regime has shown no love for journalists or the free media. it jails them. it, you know, has certainly been responsible for the murder of many of them. it is a very serious problem to try to conduct any kind of independent journalism in russia. it s just not possible. and our president has cozied up not only to vladimir putin as an authoritarian leader who has no respect for the press, but also turkey s leader, erdogan, egyptian leader sisi. he s made very flattering remarks about the philippine leader, duterte. all of these men who are strongmen, who have cracked down on the free press at home, it s appalling that these comments would be made in a country that is supposed to be setting an example. in warsaw, he also made comments that, you know, were attacking the free press. we re supposed to be out there as a beacon for the rest of the world, and it is disturbing that someone would make a joke on this. i want to say why would vladimir putin do this? let s not forget he was the head of the kgb. he was the head of the state spy and security service. he knows very well how to do personality profiling to know how to appeal to someone s weaknesses and strengths, and he knows this appeals to trump s ego. trump is obsessed with the press. appeal to him. cozy up to him by saying something like this. and to undercut any potential future u.s. statement about the treatment of journalists in the country, which would just dredge up that video which, to some eyes, would be embarrassing. thank you as always. i appreciate your insights tonight. thank you, ari. while trump was abroad, the top ethics watchdog for the federal government resigned. we ll tell you why next. i m going to break down his new msnbc exclusive interview. no, please, please, oh! 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donald trump jr. released a string of is these during the presidential campaign. this follows a report about these exchanges. though most of the communications were one sided, trump junior did interact on a number of occasions. wikileaks told him, quote, a the r.a.c. is a recycled pro-iraq war pac. we have guessed the password, it is putintrump. done responded, off the record, i don t know who that is boo but i ll ask around, according to te atlantic he did ask around, including trump s son-in-law jared kushner, telling them wikileaks had reached out. we don t know in what context he was saying that, but kushner forwarded that e-mail onto hope hicks. in a separate exchange, done junior reached out october 23rd asking wikileaks about an impending release writing what s behind the wednesday leak i keep reading about? wikileaks didn t respond, but just four days later it released john podesta s e-mails on the same day as you ll recall the u.s. intelligence community condemned russia for using wikileaks to release the stolen e-mails. even is it that, wikileaks reached out again suggesting done junior tweet out a link to his formals to search the leaked podesta e-mails. john jury tweeted out this. for those who had the time to read about the hypocrisy, all the wikileaks e-mails are right here. and he included the link that wikileaks had given him. pam, explain what the campaign was saying about wikileaks during this time period. so wikileaks was communicating with done junior. and behind the scenes, done junior tweeted out the link. mike pence said on fox news the campaign was not in cahoots with wikileaks. take a listen. final question about wikileaks, and that is some suggested on the left that all this bad stuff about hillary, nothing p.a. bad about trump. but your campaign is in a ka hoots with wikileaks. nothing could be further from the truth. i think all of us have, you know, have concerns about wikileaks over the years, and it s just the reality of america. life today and the wider world, but it doesn t change the fact that you see the national media chasing after unstanchuated allegations. so just in the last hour, the have the s spokesperson released a statement that reads the vice president was never aware of anyone associated with the campaign being in contact with wikileak wikileaks. donald trump jr. released these exchanges tonight after the atlantic story broke. any more reaction from him or his legal team? his attorney did release a at the same time before he actually released these exchanges. his attorney said we can say with confidence we have no concerns about these documents and any concerns about them have been easily answered in the appropriate forum. as you ll recall, done junior went behind cloed doors with the judiciary committee. at that time they did not have these exchanges. but someone asked him have you ever had communications with wikileaks, and the source familiar says he applied, yes, i have, and then talked about these messages. after that, the direct messages were handed over to congress. pamela brown, thank you very much. this reporting about donald trump jr., what does it tell you, and does it surprise you that donald trump jr. was willing to direct message with somebody he didn t know on the other side of a direct message from wikileaks weather, it was julian assange and think he s having off-the-record discussions? for a businessman, doesn t that just seem moronic? it takes your breath away, anderson. when i read the story earlier theengs, i was shaking my head. i have actually defaulted to the explanation of inexperience and naïveté when it comes to some of the campaign s behavior with regard to russia and wikileaks. there s probably still a fair amount of that, but i have to tell you, these continued discovers and particularly this one, i have to begin to ask the question were there any limits? was there any sense of appropriateness? was there any sense of propriety? were there any lines beyond which the campaign would not go? i m not talking about it as a legal matter. i ve got no expertise on that. i m asking a question of ethics and american political culture. and there doesn t seem to have been any limits here. the fact that according to the atlantic on october 12th, wikileaks reaches out to donald trump jr. thanking him for his father, saying something nice about them. i think he said i love wikileaks at rally, and suggesting his dad tweeted a link with the podesta e-mails, donald trump jr. doesn t respond, but 15 minutes later from the time the message is evidence is, donald trump sr. tweets. and then two days later trump junior tweets out the very link the wikileaks asked him to tweet out. is it possible it s a coincidence that 15 minutes after wikileaks tweets his son that his father does it? to answer your question specifically, is it possible? sure. i suppose that s possible. do i believe that to be the case? i don t think so. there are two things that come out. one from the wikileaks side. very important, anderson. they are quite clear they are in this business to support the donald trump campaign. there s no other purpose revealed in the wikileaks side of the exchange of communications. and then there are several examples in your time line, the one you just brought up being one of them, certainly examples where the campaign clearly synchronized its actions with the actions of wikileaks. wikileaks even then was known to be hostile to the united states and has already been pointed out in your show tonight. mike pompeo has declared it to be a hostile nonstate intelligence service. this is the third person associated with the trump team that reportedly reached out to wikileaks. roger stone said he was communicating with cambridge an lit ca. maybe collusion with a small c in the political cultural sense. anderson, let s be very candid. the campaign was talking to wikileaks about stolen goods, stolen american privacy. wikileaks had e-mails for which they were not the intended recipient. someone stole them and now we re going to violate american privacy and the campaign was, frankly, excited about that, the continuous quote during the campaign, i love wikileaks. marco rubio pointed out during the campaign that s not a good idea. we re going to regret saying that someday, and i think he s right. if the october 12th communication where wikileaks said your dad should tweet this thing out and 15 minutes later donald trump sr. tweets out basically saying the dishonest media isn t paying attention, if you believe that donald trump jr. contacted his dad or was with his dad and said, oh, wikileaks is pushing this, then the idea that donald trump jr. did not contact his dad after sitting with a russian attorney allegedly from the kremlin informing donald trump jr. that the kremlin is supporting his dad s campaigns and has date of birth on hillary clinton, the idea that he doesn t tell his father that seems hard to believe if one believes that he did tell his father 15 minutes after wikileaks texted him. added evidence to that, the current president, the candidate at that time made a reference during that time period about making the speech within a week that would reveal an awful lot of dirt on hillary clinton, so there s more truly circumstantial evidence that there was synchronization between the campaign and wikileaks. remember, this was a group wikileaks whose leader was likely already under indictment in the united states of america for what he had done previously with american secrets. i have to ask you about the president s comments that both were sympathetic to vladimir putin s point of view calling three officials at the time political hacks. you were concerned about president trump had to say that you actually called the cia, your former agency to confirm they stood by their assessment about russia and the 2016 election. yeah, anderson, i suspected that somebody from the network would call me and i wanted to have a view. and i really wanted to be able to say the agency stood by the intelligence community assessment. so i contacted them early saturday morning and very quickly they responded very clearly the agency and director pompeo stood by the assessment that the russians did it. the president walked that back a little bit the next day, but you know, anderson, at the end of that exchange he said he has faith in the intelligence community as currentlily constituted, and that statement burned up most of the good will that the front end of the president s statement created when he said i believe american intelligence. general hayden, appreciate your time. now the panel. ana in ana, what do you make of these communications? it makes you ask the question what does mueller know we still don t know? every single day a shoe seems to drop. it s hard to justify done junior didn t tell his father about the meeting. donald trump was in that tower the same day the meeting occurred. the fact that he tweeted 15 minutes after his son got that tweet makes people question whether or not that was accurate. also remember wikileaks came across as an objective news site. we got from these direct messages with don junior that why doesn t he release tax returns through us so we can put it out so it did you want look like we re pushing anti-hillary clinton stuff that we re against both candidates at times. they contact with donald trump jr. after the meeting breaks saying i m sorry for what you re going through, why don t you give us your e-mails, we ll put them out, and that will help us, make us look more credible, but donald trump jr. ignores that. exactly. what i would really focus on as well is how quickly the vice president s office responded. back in june he hired his personal attorney. this is second time that he said something hast not true. within an hour you hear a response from him. he has his own attorney that he hired in june with regards to any matters related to the russia investigation. he s taking this seriously. we re just waiting for the president to respond as well. was this smart for donald trump jr. to be in communications with wikileaks? we re talking about speculation. let s wait for the facts to bear out. it s important for mueller to conduct his investigation. was that smart? if i was in communication i would tell people. which he did. he sent out the e-mail and it just continued. doesn t show donald trump was being proactive. that s not a direct. i think he sends it to kellyanne conway and steve bannon. you want to disclose when someone comes forward with information that s suspect. no one called kauld the fbi. that s their vetting campaign? you have question their judgment sfwluf to question the information that came in, but you have to acknowledge the fact that don did triefrl, reach out to senior management and say these people are reaching out to me. and the manager goes from there. he continued to communicate with them. he was communicating events, news of the day. that conversation had been in the news for two days. he s not going to disclose what s in the common thread of the conversation. brian? you worked on campaigns. does this make sense to you? one damning revelation does not a criminal case make. the trump tower meeting itself isn t going to produce an indictment. the bad facts are piling up. the territory available for trump defenders to make a case is shrinking by the day. this is another clear indication of the campaign s willingness to collude. donald trump jr. is eager to engage in this chain with wikileaks. it s fluctuation the campaign s actions. donald trump jr. is basically taking orders about his twitter activity, not to mention the candidate himself touting wikileaks in the moments after this tweet was received. it widens the circle of people potentially indicated. so all those people i suspect they ve been brought into the grand jury or given an interview already. the circle has widened, the more of these bad facts that come out, they re only incriminating, not exculpatory. it suggests they have a lot to hide. jason, does it feel to you like every now and then we learn more and more about communications that donald trump jr. had? when mueller who has access to all the e-mails, what else there might be? i feel like we re viewing everything that happened in 2016 through a 2017 lens. when we re talking about these dates, there was a lot of back and forth and people weren t sure who was behind the wikileaks. one of the things to keep in mind, you get an outreach from wikileaks, these guys clearly have a lot of tactics and techniques they re using online. you don t want to miss these guys off, so you wouldn t want to go and blow them off, fine, i ll check and play nice. why would you pick a fight with wikileaks in that moment when you know they re involved with all this stuff. at that point in the campaign, the only thing we had seen with the fbi is they were basically, from the view of the campaign, seemed like they were in secretary clinton s pocket. he went that happened with the fbi and the doj with loretta lynch, that didn t seem like the safest place to go. i m on twitter and i got direct messages from people i don t know. you don t have to respond. you don t have to i m sure some nice people or nasty people have reached out to me. you can just ignore them. if you get an e-mail from wikileaks and you re not a reporter, you re on a campaign, and there s stuff floating out there, it s not an we didn t have to respond. he couldn t just pretend, sorry, wikileaks, i never got your message. and then he can t he can mute them. at one point he said what is this news of a potential leak i m hearing about. it went beyond it didn t seem like a relationship he was trying to develop or foster. through all of this there s nothing that don junior did illegal here. i m not seeing anything that was at all illegal and i haven t heard in fact panelists or experts that have come on seems like he s getting unfairly beat. up you would want a guy running an international business to be responding to anonymous people who are direct messaging him and telling them this conversation s off the record? for a guy who s in international business, i know nothing about business, i couldn t run the cooperation he runs, that seems moronic to me. that goes to your earlier point that they viewed themselves as a news agency, otherwise that s why he let me tell you how republicans viewed julian assange, they viewed him as a traitor and a national security threat. this is the part that board they the most. we knew about russia that they re dr. dao trying to tear america apart, race, everything. and the part where they direct message don junior and say if your dad loses it would be nice if he didn t concede and challenged the media and other types, saying that the game was rigged. what they re trying to do, like russian cutout, i don t know how directly involved russia is, but it seals like this could have been very bad for america if trump lost and refused to concede. it would have torn the country apart even more. later, the growing calls from washington republicans for their senate candidate in alabama, roy moore to leave the race. each year sarah climbs 58,007 steps. that s the height of mount everest. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home. even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl s orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes. so keep on climbing, sarah. you re killing it. dr. scholl s. born to move. it can detect a threat using ai, and respond 60 times faster. it lets you know where your data lives, down to the very server. it keeps your insights from prying eyes, so they re used by no one else but you. it. is. the cloud. the ibm cloud. the cloud that s designed for your data. ai ready. secure to the core. the ibm cloud is the cloud for business. yours. my hygi.a mouthwash.o try. so i tried crest. it does so much more than give me fresh breath. crest pro-health mouthwash provides all. .of these benefits to help you get better dental check-ups. go pro with crest mouthwash. checkup? 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i would say this. less than two weeks ago you had senator feinstein asked does she collusion and her answer was no. so we have a lot of conjecture and slopness on the campaign. when we have one of the top intelligence persons of the democratic party saying she says no clurks i tend to believe her. it s a lot of noise, a lot of mistakes were made, but nothing to the point where it s criminal and nothing to the point where a democratic senator sees collusion. that s powerful and thagz that gets lost in this conversation. david said it s going to be harder and harder for wikileaks to adjust itself as a credible news organization. you see they were, in fact, rooting for donald trump and giving him advice as to what to do so they would look more objective and dish on both sides. throughout all of this wikileaks said they had not taken or colluded or been involved with russia at all and pushing forward any e-mails it s harder and harder to justify them and take them seriously given what we ve seen. e-mails forwarded to hope hicks during the campaign, she was with candidate trump all the time, wasn t she? when lewandowski was running the campaign, it would be the candidate, lewandowski and hicks. is that in order to get an e-mail to candidate trump at the time? frequently hope would be traveling with the president, but i don t know on that particular day where people were or if that was to give her a heads up in case there s a media inquiry. to the point brian made about the conjecture, it s even more than the last couple weeks. over this past year there s been an investigation into this so-called collusion between the campaign and a foreign entity. there s still no proof anyone on the campaign was colluding. mike pence has come out twice, he s been prodded out to be like the kindly face of this and say i can t believe, the media is going after this thing going down at a rabbit hole. an hour later he comes out saying we had no idea about this report. we just learned about it from this report. apparently they believe this report because they re responding to it. given how little we know about the mueller probe, we know there s at least one guilty plea and one cooperate helping the federal investigators working this case. they ve succeed based on the evidence they revealed from the guilty plea in pegging the time line. that opens up possibilities of what may have unfurled itself. there s plenty of evidence to believe the white house perceives an increasing athlete. we re learning jeff sessions considering appointing a special prosecutor to distract and fire up the fog machine. roy moore, the white house itself, two white house officials floating the possibility of jeff sessions retaking his senate seat. i can t imagine that part of the motive is not to get jeff sessions out of doj and bring a attorney general in there that can disrupt the investigation. a new woman accusing roy moore of sexual abuse speaking out today. also the list of lawmakers on capitol hill saying he shouldn t bow out of the race is growing. we ll cover that when we continue. i don t want to sound paranoid, but d ya think our recent online sales success seems a little. strange? 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and the assistance not a lot. i was talking to operatives trying to get a sense of what their end game is and the hope the clearly that roy moore drops out. there s also talk of write-in campaigns, people like luther strange, perhaps jeff sessions who s made clear he s not interested in it through associates of his. so what is the actual end game? one republican operative texted back to me question marks. seems unlikely he would drop out at this point given his public statements. could the same senators refuse to seat him should he got re-elected? the most dynamic statement of the entire day, cory gardener putting out a statement saying clearly if roy moore wins his election that he shouldn t be expelled. others said hold on, let s wait and see how this plays out. but the fact that cory gardener put this as an option, made it clear they re exploring every option. only 15 senators in the history of the chamber have ever been expelled. senate ethics committee would have to start an investigation, then 2/3 of all senators would have to vote for it. so it s not an easy process. all republican support has completely flown away, anderson. more on the latest accuser with allegations of sexual misconduct, she showed a yearbook she claims he signed, plus our panel s take on all this ahead. it s a lot easier to make decisions when you know what comes next. if you move your old 401(k) to a fidelity ira, we make sure you re in the loop at every step from the moment you decide to move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. oh and at fidelity, you ll see how all your investments are working together. because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. just remember what i said about a little bit o soul senators on capitol hill. it s horrific for the republican party in a bunch of ways. first of all, what is this republican party now? grand old pedophiles? they should have been embarrassed by roy moore a long time ago when he was saying horrific homophobic things. he should have been an embarrassment. this is absolutely unacceptable. i am glad to see republican leaders are coming out trying to distance themselves from him and doing everything they can to cut off the stringing. it s a little lately. at school a big problem for the republican party because it shows the rift, the civil war, which side exist within the republican party. we are seeing washington republicans are saying one thing and weir seeing people in alabama, republicans still defending, even evangelicals defending him. comparisons to mary and joseph and lawnmowers. this is crazy. thr this should be about basic right and wrong. this should not be about base versus establishment. this should be about protecting women, 14, 15, 16 year old girls. you can thank steve bannon and he lost with ed gillespie. i m not thanking him for a damn thing. nationally speaking, they were pretty quick to disavow this. mitch mcconnell as the majority leader came out, said he believed the women. and i think it was a smart move politically. obviously it was the right thing morally, but with politically speaking this is triage. if this is going to happen in alabama, keen it in beach. we don t want this spreading. i think they ve probably stemmed the bleeding or kept it in alabama. if he gets elected, they re faced with what to do. i think you re right it was important for them to say i believe these women instead of if, in fact, it happened. we need to hear from the president. his excuse is i m traveling overseas. and official statement was he shouldn t step down if, in fact, this did happen, but i think he needs to be more definitive. this is not an issue they don t want to focus on. the president is going to have to be talking and addressing this too. i can t agree with you more. if someone can make a difference in alabama, it s probably donald trump. i suspect that a lot of people are saying to donald trump you really shouldn t weigh into this, god knows you have your share when it comes to this topic, but he shouldn bill clinton right side. i was thinking there was no chance that moore was going to get into the u.s. senate and all these national politicians started saying who you should and shouldn t pick. gloria allred comes sprinting out with a press conference. i don t want that to step on the lady s story, which is very compelling and heart breaking to see that note in the yearbook makes you want to throw up, but there s nothing that s going to make the people of alabama rally. i talked to somebody whork worked on his campaign saying i want to volunteer for that reason. the proper course is normally a criminal trial. we ve been robbed of that opportunity so we have a political trial which is election day. seeing that woman on tv recount her experiences was gut wrenching. it very much reminds me of when teena teenage prostitutes six years ago that was brought up and nobody called on him to step down. why does hypocrisy exist here. those prostitutes recanted the story. can we stop this what aboutism? bob melendez is on trial. not for these charges. he s going to have to deal with the asks. moorose fate is up to the alabama voters now. you nervous? why people everywhere are upgrading their water filter to zerowater. start with water that has a lot of dissolved solids. pour it through brita s two-stage filter. dissolved solids remain? what if we filter it over and over? 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. none of you think he s going to win? no. that may be wishful thinking on their part. it s absolutely unbelievable. supporters in his home state cheered as moore denied the allegations. we spoke to numerous women voters in alabama who say they still support him, but amid the allegations that moore pursued minors, they were reluctant to say so publicly. joyce shelly is the exception. i ve been knowing roy moore a long, long, long time. i m talking about probably fort years. have you heard anything like this about him. never. we spoke outside the county attorney house where moore was an assistant district attorney. on december 12th when your state goes to the ballot box, who is going to win this election? i still think roy moore will. why do you believe that? i just know he understands a lot of people and a lot of people feel the same way i do. the women you spoke to, what did they say about the possibility of roy moore getting expelled from the senate if he s elected. some of the women say yes, that is the way to go. that is the safety net. but that last woman in my story, she said there is one way to widen that rift between d.c. and states like alabama is to expel him if alabama sends him to the u.s. senate, anderson. all right. thanks very much for the reporting. coming um, when world leaders call each other names. it s just like the playground with the tlet of nuclear war. the ridiculous is next. that s right. t-mobile s got your netflix subscription covered. .when you get a family plan with two or more lines. really? 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