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seat we thought for sure we were going to win. once again, we shouldn't have that premise. now we can't put that in the win column. i think we should still try, see how she develops. but we have to draw to an inside strength. if we'd talked six months ago about any potential winning senate, we'd laugh. people now are talking about winning 60 seats in the house. they're nuts. i've run the congressional committ committ committee. we may win 41. but expectations are an absurd place. >> democrats should not have to try to have a money conversation. she beat money. at the end of the day, you can run ad, do all that stuff, but as ed knows, if you don't get folks to the polls you're not going to get the votes. so for her, if she focuses on the ground game and she has these people who renn neare enthusiastic that can spell trouble for democrats. if you don't have the ground game, she could win in delaware. >> she could get out the democratic bashgs though, don't
not. i want people to listen. >> my record will be determined after november 2nd, and how many pickups we'll have. i'm not making predictions today. we do have about a dozen seats in play, and i think november the 2nd will be -- that's when my report card will get graded. >> he's a tad defensive there. what's the -- his mood and the broader mood when you have a shock like l.ast night was? >> there's no question about it, that's why initially last night, when this news came that christine o'donnell won, we had some anonymous sources telling us, you know, some pretty nasty stuff about how they didn't think they were going to support her. when the sun came up, light bulbs went off and said, wait, she's a republican, we have to get behind her. the last thing they want to do, not just in delaware, erick knows this, across the country, is anger these people who they need to keep that energy up
you're among the doubters last night. you helped that guy, ronald reagan, get elected. >> i did. she's an unknown. obviously, delaware's a small state. if the party doesn't help her, she may get conservative money to at least run a decent campaign. at this point in time, you know, that race has been assumed to be ours. i don't ever believe they're ours until we win them. think we have to wait a little and see, two, three week, can she be a credible candidate? the probability is no. there are other places, like west virginia and other places, that three weeks ago we never thought was on the radar screen so -- >> a big point everybody around her makes and some republicans who aren't so sure make is, wait a minute, you know, all of the idiots who say she can't win in november are the same idiots who said she couldn't win last night. >> right. >> first, i find it interesting that michael steele is making so much sense and he's now going against the same establishment that never liked him. and so what, now tea partiers are going to rally around steele? so, this is -- what's so intriguing about this whole deal
one of the republican doubts, comes from a very senior republican, many you will recognize. he was called the architect in the bush days. he was on fox news last night saying "i don't think so." >> wasn't impressed of her abilities as a candidate. again, serious question, how does she make her living? why did she mislead voters about her college education? how come it took her nearly two decades to pay her college bills so she could get her college degree? how does she make a living? why does -- >> so, john avlon, you talk about independent voters. people in the middle might settle this race. the democrats i assume are going to turn to their friend karl rove here are they not? >> of course. especially in delaware. the middle is where elections are won or lost. o'donnell can win a close partisan primary. that's part of the story last night. close partisan primaries can be hijacked by activists and ideologues. but they have a hard time
delaware. some republicans aren't happy. one republican source telling cnn they're frustrated with the senator because in their view he pushes purity over the practical. senator demint joins us now to go one on one. how do you answer that point among your colleagues? you've heard it throughout the primary season, that you're a guy who wants conservatives who think like you at all costs, even if, your critics would say, the nominee is someone one who can't win. >> i haven't heard that from my colleagues and i'm certainly not interested in purity in the party. >> let me help our viewer understand a bit more about you because more and more people around krunt hearing about you. is it your view, then, that jim demint would rather be in the minority than to, say, elect a mike castle in delaware or charlie crist in florida who you view as too prone to dealmaking? would you rather be in the minority than in the majority with republicans like that? >> i came into the senate with 55 republicans.
>> let's get behind our nominees and win the election. then we can have a meeting and sit down and talk about all that stuff. >> when they say things like that, those establishment politicians in washington are ignoring the message that we have seen, again, not just from delaware, florida did it for senate, we've seen it in colorado, in kentucky, in alaska and elsewhere, are they ignoring the message? >> again, you have to ask them. i can only speak to what i'm trying to do as the national chairman. i'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus today, okay. >> he wouldn't name names. roland and ed, to the point it matter, people out there say so what, it's one race in delaware, but when you put together the pieces of the puzzle, they need 39 to pick up the house, they need 10 to pick up the senate, and a lot of people are thinking if we get to election night and we lose this one, the one we could have taken away from the democrats in delaware that that could be it. >> since the beginning of the game, which has been going on for a year now, this was the one
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