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Society has achieved over the last 25 years. he says this will be a fall for them, a painful fall. and that is where we begin our coverage this hour. nbc news correspondent cal perry joins us live from lviv, ukraine. also with us from lviv, terl jermaine star, the host of the black diplomats podcast. it's a pleasure to have you with us today. cal perry, as we do every day, i start with you. i have to confess that i -- this strikes at your false sense of security that all of our colleagues who are in lviv, all of the refugees who have fled mariupol or kyiv or other parts are safe in lviv. this ...

Logical, but it definitely is a fallback position because russia wanted much, much more. one of the reasons why they are bombing mariupol to nothing is because that place is a large city that they would have trouble controlling, in my view. and so depopulating it and turning it into nothing allows you to control that territory a lot better, especially because that was the hotbed of resistance to russia in 2014 where they pushed back the russian invaders at that time. >> so it's a brutal and devastating way to go about it. beth, grateful for your important insights. up next, a big white house...

Choices once he got everything wrong from the beginning were lose early and lose small, lose late and lose big. there clearly is some effort there to lose early and big. lose early and small, and the way to do that is to claim that they were just going for, you know, a link between crimea and russia and the eastern regions. but i think we shouldn't underestimate how confused they might be themselves and what kind of divisions might be going on there. i still think, though, anderson, putin's overall fallback position is to try to create as absolutely as many refugees as he can from ukraine into...

So there have been -- there is plenty of evidence h that the afghan capital was pell penetrated by terrorists who were supporting the taliban up until now. now, as we speak, secretary blinken has been on meet the press, speaking on meet the press and iss, confirming that e physical embassy is being closed. there will be a skeletal force of diplomats remaining at the airport where they r believe th they cane be protected. we have to see whether that actually takes place. but right now, it is a fallback position to recreate some kind of diplomatic presence. there are also trying to get oun some ...

0 going in and out of the country. if that were to happen, big if. then the u.s. military, who are there, they will work to defense any u.s. americans who are there and to keep the airport open so they can get the americans out safely. also, though, it's important to point out, you know, there were about 1,000, less than 1,000 u.s. troops who were already there. only about a1,000, not really full 1,000 have made their way in. that total of 5,000. they are not there yet. >> yeah. >> the current plach is according to defense officials is to continue to flow those people in. but this is all happe...