few weeks? a running in the next few weeks? a number of horses. there is one running on tuesday, i could be mistaken. she has a lot of runners through the summer. i am sure she will be disappointed not to be able to attend particularly royal ascot where she goes every day every year. of course. that is the final word. that is it for the papers this evening. thanks to my guests, deputy political editor of the independent rob merrick and editor of the racing post tom kerr. goodbye. hello and welcome to the film review with me, mark kermode, rounding up the best movies now available for viewing in the home. the most high profile release of the week is the high note, a musical drama that clearly wants to be a star is born, although for me it could easily have been called a star is a bit boring. margaret! hi. what do you think of this? do you think it s too booby? mm, yes. 0h. perfect. you can go. dakota johnson is maggie, personal assistant to fading diva superstar grace davis, played with gusto by tracee ellis ross, daughter of diana ross, and star of the tv show blackish. music plays. maggie s tasks are menial, but she has her sights set on becoming a producer, either for grace, whose music she s remixed on the quiet, or for the young musical prodigy she met in the local grocery store and swapped clunkily scripted quips about don henley and sam cooke. maggie. david. this is david, played by kelvin harrisonjr, who was so great in last year s waves but has less chance to shine here. david is an enigma: a muso who busks his songs on the streets but lives in the kind of lavish pool laden pad that should be the lair of an international rock star. where does his wealth and musical talent come from, and what will grace make of maggie s new hook up? hmm. stop, stop, stop, stop, stop! i m not going to tell you guys you re great if you re not great. directed by nisha ganatra, who made the similarly so so emma thompson satire late night, the high note swings gently between the passably innocuous and the frankly ridiculous, dishing up sub high fidelity conversations about the pros and cons of pop music interspersed with the kind of fanciful music production sequences that make 2006 s wish fulfilment fantasy band slam look like a hard hitting warts and all rockumentary. you said you was going to listen to me this time. there were a couple of nice supporting performances, most notably from ice cube as grace s managerjack. a man desperate for his client to accept a celine dion style residency in vegas, where he could have his cake and eat it both literally and metaphorically. you always walk away. grace! for all its vinyl loving hipster shtick, nothing in the high note rings true, leaving this forgettable fairytale to hit more bum notes than les dawson playing the piano, albeit without the crowd pleasing results. the high note is available to rent now. altogether more adventurous is only the animals, a sinewy french mystery thriller based on a novel by colin niel, which you can catch on curzon home cinema. knocking. unfolding in non linear segments that flip back and forth in time, like tarantino s pulp fiction, the story follows a group of disparate characters whose lives, which variously play out in europe and africa, are somehow linked with the disappearance of a woman. in the snowy mountains of southern france, an illicit affair and an abandoned car seem to offer vital clues to murder most foul. but as director dominik moll, who made lemming, shifts the perspective of this chaptered story from one character to another, we realise that nothing is what it seems to us or to them. like who you think i am, which came to uk streaming services in april, only the animals uses the anonymity of the internet as a key plot device in one of its many unravelling strands. this is ultimately a story about loneliness and about the way that people can interact at a distance without ever understanding the true nature or effect of their actions. it s also a damn good thriller, a riveting puzzle that will keep the audience guessing, visiting and revisiting events from different angles, allowing us to see only fragments of the picture until it all finally falls into place. the result may be massively contrived, but there s a touch of hitchcockian magic in the dramatic way this story is told. dramatic storytelling was the stock in trade of mike wallace, the american tvjournalist who became infamous for his hard hitting interviews on shows like 60 minutes and whose life and times are chronicled in the documentary mike wallace is here. there is a new billionaire in town. trump s the name. donald trump is a major dealmaker, a swashbuckler. donald, you re in your late 30s. you ve a0 years to live, minimum. well, i hope you re right about that. what you going to do? ah, there are a lot of things to do. you know, a fertile imagination and a good fertile mind, mike, it s amazing it s really amazing what can be thought up. there s so many things to do. there is so much to be done. politics? no, not politics. starting out as a cheesy tv star who advertised cigarettes and golden fluffo shortening, wallace made his mark in the 1950s with night beat, a no holds barred interview show that proved to be ahead of time. you are not answering the specific question that i put. a decade later wallace was back in the spotlight on cbs, earning himself as a reputation as the most feared interrogator of his generation. i d like you to get out of here. but was wallace s combative style journalism or theatre and what were the demons that made him such a divisive figure? told entirely through existing interviews, with no need for post hoc narration, israeli director avi belkin‘s engrossing character study boasts a wealth of archival footage from goody early tv appearances through groundbreaking coverage of vietnam, watergate, the iran hostage crisis and beyond. throughout we see wallace holding politicians and celebrities to account, whether it s putin and ayatollah khomeini or kirk douglas and shirley maclaine. i am very pleased to receive you as my guest, mr wallace. anyone who enjoyed michael mann s true life thriller the insider, in which wallace was played by christopher plummer, will be intrigued by this doc‘s brief account of the internecine struggles that delayed his interview with the tobacco industry whistleblowerjeffrey wigand, memorably portrayed by russell crowe. but the real revelations here are closer to home in wallace s account of his personal insecurities, anxieties and struggles with depression. it s an engrossing portrait of a man, his profession, and his legacy. a legacy which, arguably, paved the way for both the best and the worst in modern tvjournalism. this is the news for the hour. what would you like to tell us about yourself? i don t know. aren t you like some big science girl? tell me about science. a wannabe radio star trying to get a break at around the same time that mike wallace was making waves in the late 1950s is at the centre of the vast of night, an award winning indie pic that won the audience prize at the slamdance festival last year and is now available on amazon prime. jake horowitz and sierra mccormick are high school kids who respectively work in a small town new mexico radio station and telephone exchange. number please? hello?! large objects holding over my land. one night strange noises and reports of something in the sky lead them into a twilight zone style tale that may involve the soviets or something more out of this world. they ve come here before. they like this place. framed as an episode of the paradox theatre tv show and filled with deliberately alienating devices, the vast of night is an audacious feature debut for director andrew patterson, who breathes strange new life into familiar older riffs. plaudits too to cinematographer mi littin menz, who performs wonders with fluid camerawork following characters through streets, buildings, and car parks in breathlessly flowing fashion before coming to rest on their faces, knowing exactly when to move and when to just stay still. people are saying there s something in the sky. yeah. 0k. from new mexico to south korea, where bong joon ho s satirical class war masterpiece parasite finds two families from opposite ends of the economic spectrum haunting each other‘s lives. designed with the same architectural elegance as the astonishing home in which much of the action plays out, this note perfect gem became the first film made entirely in a foreign language to win the oscar for best picture. it s now available both digitally and on disc, with the limited edition steelbook blu ray including the black and white version of the film, which bong first unveiled at the rotterdam film festival earlier this year. while parasite was hailed as the best film of last year, i ll leave you with something from the movie widely considered to be the worst. spotlight and a drum roll please. # and so maybe my home isn t what i had known. # what i thought it would be.# adapted from a long running stage show hit, cats drew hearty boos on screen, even after director tom hooper tried to appease viewers with upgraded cgi fur effects. not even a star studded cast including judi dench, idris elba, taylor swift, and rebel wilson could convince people to pay for this turkey, which was reported to have lost over $100 million in cinemas. # ..alone and haunted.# maybe it ll make some of that back on disc and download. or maybe not. that s it for this week. thanks for watching the film review. stay safe and i ll be back next week with more home viewing treats. right, well, that s not going to work, is it? hiss. that s what i say to you. hiss. it s been another day with nationwide sunshine. in wales, the warmest day of the sun shines so far. you can see those clear skies nearby on that weatherwatch picture. some mist and fog forming around the coasts of eastern scotland, but for most of us, clear and starry overnight with temperatures 6013 degrees. a little cooler potentially out in the countryside. tomorrow, another fine and sunny day nationwide. a little bit of fairweather cloud developing as we head into the afternoon but not spoiling the sunshine much. it will be warm once again. the temperatures: into scotland, reaching the 20s and the warmest areas. looks pretty warm in parts of the highlands. 2a as well into western areas of northern ireland and across western wales this weekend. a favoured spot for seeing some pretty high temperatures 25 degrees in porthmadog and similar temperatures over in bournemouth. into tuesday, this weather front approaching the far north of scotland. that s going to bring some rain across these far northern areas. maybe five to ten millimetres from that system. so some wet weather, and is the northerly winds begin to work in, it s going to feel cooler as well. temperatures quite a bit down on recent days in stornaway and lerwick with highs of ten to 30 degrees here. elsewhere, another warm and sunny day in northern england and wales, temperatures low to mid 20s. change is on the way, and into the middle part of next week, outbreaks of rain for some of us week, outbreaks of rain for some of us and turning progressively cooler as those more northerly winds begin to push that bit further south, with rain or showers in the forecast for many of us. along with that, the northerly winds dragging on cooler hour, so instead of temperatures being in the mid 20s, actually towards the end of the week we are looking at temperatures generally into the high teens, perhaps just into the high teens, perhaps just into the high teens, perhaps just into the low 20s in the warmest areas. not everyone will see rain, but the amount we do see from place to place is going to vary quite a bit, but at least for some there is rain on the horizon. that s your weather. this is bbc news. i m james reynolds with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. protests against police brutality continue right across the us following the killing of an unarmed black man a week ago. in the capital, activists are gathering outside the white house. busy beaches at sunny british coastal resorts. ministers announce an easing of lockdown in england starting on monday. brazil overtakes france as the country with the fourth highest death toll from coronavirus. nearly 29,000 people have died in south america s biggest country. nasa astronauts doug hurley and bob behnken reach the international space station onboard the spacex crew dragon capsule.
lead to false confessions. thanks to tom for that. that does it for me today. thank you for being with me. a special edition of the situation room with wonderful wolf blitzer starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i m wolf blitzer in washington. we re now in the 20th straight day of protests in cities throughout the united states. george floyd s death was the initial spark but as the movement enters its fourth week, it s now also fueled by the death of 27-year-old rayshard brooks. police shot and killed him friday night in an atlanta drive-through, seen through live in our shot. as protestors gathered at the wendy s restaurant where it happened, the fallout was swift. not even 24 hours after the fatal shooting, the atlanta police chief stepped down. overnight, we learned the officer who shot brooks, garrett rolfe, was fired. earlier here on cnn, the district attorney says he s weighing murder charges for that officer. i can tell you definitely that probably sometime around wednesday we will be making a decision in this case. i believe in this incident what we have today choose between, if there s a chose to be made, is between murder and felony murder. today as part of the homicide investigation, an autopsy of rayshard brooks was conducted and police released body cam footage of the incident. we walk through what the video show. some of the footage you re about to see is disturbing. reporter: responding to a call from a wendy s in south atlanta friday night, officer devin bronsan approaches rayshard brooks s car. what s up, my man? hey. hey. hey, man, you re parked in the middle of the drive-through line here. hey. sir, what s up, man? you re parked in the drive-through right now. hey, sir. are you all right? asleep in the drive-through lane, police footage shows the 27-year-old does not respond right away. are you tired? all right, man. i ll move my car. pull somewhere and take a nap. okay. are you good? yeah. all right. reporter: brooks wakes up and agrees to move his car before he appears to fall asleep again. my man, you have to move your car. you went back to sleep. reporter: brooks moves to a nearby parking spot where he s asked how much have you had to drink tonight? not much? when you say one drink, what kind of drink was it? it was a margarita. any drugs today? i don t do drugs. brooks struggles to find his license and tries to step out of the car. just stay in the car for me, all right. brosnan radios for another officer to conduct a dui test. he s pretty out of it. he s got some good amount of liquor in him. brooks denies ever having been asleep. the reason why we re here is because somebody called 911 because you were asleep behind the wheel while you were in the drive-through. do you recall that? i don t. you don t recall that? you don t recall minutes ago where you were passed out he agrees to a breathalyzer test. says he can t remember how much he had to drink and then he tells police i know, you re just doing your job. when rolfe tries to handcuffs brooks, he resists. brosnan is readying his taser. brooks grabs it out of his hand. stop! breaking free. brooks punches rolfe who fires his stun gun. and here is the moment the altercation becomes deadly. you can see rolfe chasing brooks, each man carrying a taser. watch as he moves his taser from his right hand to his left and reaches towards his handgun. that s where brooks turns and fires the taser, and rolfe shoots, firing three times at brooks as he flees. bystanders begin cursing at the officers. both of your careers are done because you just shot a man for no reason. the officers begin to provide medical treatment. mr. brooks, keep breathing. reporter: a short time later brooks is rushed to a nearby hospital where he s later pronounced dead. our special thanks to boris sanchez for that report. joining us now, the attorney for the family of rayshard brooks. chris, thank you, once again, for joining us. first of all, give us any update you can on where the investigation stands, where the case stands right now. we re waiting on the decision from the district attorney. we saw the statement that he put out, the options he s weighing and we re going to keep trying to find witnesses and video of the incident. based on the video we ve all seen right now, what s your analysis of what we ve seen? it showed you what kind of person mr. brooks was in the beginning of this incident. it s literally what you tell people how to act when an officer approaches you. even though he had had something to drink, he was polite. he was using sir. he was conducted a 20 to 30-minute sobriety test. did the leg stand, did everything possible. and it should have ended when he said, simply, can i walk to my sister s house? i should have ended it right there. that s what citizen policing is about. he s not driving. he s not going to harm anybody. he s coherent. let him walk home. but he had been driving he drove to the he drove to the wendy s, right? yes, he did drive to the wendy s. i assume the police were suspicious about if she was driving under the while drunk. but you make an important point, he did say, i ll leave my car at the wendy s and walk to my sister s house, but that wasn t good enough for the police. it wasn t good enough for officer rolfe. the first officer appeared to be contemplating, he said pull over there and take a nap or sleep it off. the first officer actually was being polite, was trying to be understanding. and it escalated once rolfe got there who didn t want to allow any type of compassion or empathy or understanding or even let this man just walk home. when he started to handcuff him and put his hands behind his back, that s when rayshard brooks started to resist, right? yes. should he have resisted at that point, or should he have just complied? i can t get into the mind of what he was thinking at that point. i m sure having had a few drinks, maybe he didn t believe that he should be arrested at that point. but it s beyond the point. you know, what happened in that moment when he resisted doesn t allow a police officer to become judge, jury and executioner. we watch videos all the time where it s a caucasian individual or a person of a different race that resists and lives. we ve watched videos of a person do a mass shooting and live. there was absolutely no reason for him to die because he resisted and ran away. the fulton district attorney, paul howard, says a decision on charges against this police officer who shot brooks will be made, and i m quoting him now, sometime around wednesday and that three charges were relevant under consideration, murder, felony murder, or voluntary manslaughter. what s your recollection to that? it s totally up to the district attorney s office. i try to stay out of the criminal charges or the work being done by the district attorney and just handle what we can do on our side. we don t want to have any role in tainting the view of what happens with the criminal charges. you have confidence in this district attorney? i have confidence in any district attorney that sees a videotape like this where an officer s life was not in the immediate threat of losing his life. it was a taser which falls under the exact category of pepper spray and a baton. if he had pepper spray, should he have been shot then? when he started to run away, the police officer should have just let him run away and they could find a way to catch him later, they obviously had a name they had his car, they would have found him, he shouldn t have taken out his gun and shot him in the back? yeah. what it is with a lot of policing and they re trained to do an examination of the totality of the situation. they saw that this individual was not aggressive in the beginning. they did a full pat down so they knew he wasn t armed, he didn t have a gun. they had his license, vehicles, they had his keys. he wasn t going anywhere. if he did, they could find him. he ran away with the taser which falls into the category of spray and a baton. he wasn t posing an immediate risk to anyone, but yet the officer opened fire in a packed parking lot. you want the da to charge him with murder? we want the da to charge him with any of the different degrees that he s looking at right now, like i said, i m not going to comment on paul howard s investigation. because that police officer, as you note, he s been fired. the other police officer who was there, he s been reassigned, basically, to clerical duty. should the second police officer who didn t fire the shots, should he be charged as well? we re still looking into his behavior once the chase started. i will say that his behavior when the entire incident began is what policing is supposed to be, polite as he was, looking like he was going to let him park on the side and sleep him off. that s the whole thing that i m trying to get this entire country to get back to is community before search and destroy. it is there will be situations where you have to give people a break, where you let someone sleep it off, where you let someone lay down or walk home instead of putting cuffs on them. but we re just too militarized in our policing in the community. tell us how the family of rayshard brooks is doing right now. i know you represent that family, the kids, everybody else, how are they doing? we can t really describe it. think about an 8-year-old who know on top of her birthday is going to remember this is the day her dad was murdered on video for the rest of her life. i ll just leave it at that. yeah, it s a sad and yesterday was her birthday, right? yeah. and, you know, they re just trying to make it through. give the family our love, obviously. and we ll stay in very, very close touch with you. thank you so much for joining us. this is a heartbreaking situation in atlanta. chris stuart is the attorney for rayshard brooks. thanks so much for joining us. thanks, wolf. we ll continue this conversation down the road for sure. we re continuing to monitor nationwide protests for the 20th straight day as demonstrators around the united states are calling for an end to racial injustice. we ll speak with the former president of the naacp. stay with us, you re in the situation room. that s been through multiple market cycles for over 85 years? with capital group, i can. talk to your financial professional or consultant for investment risks and information. balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health. and nutrients to whethey fell in love with itsng gaiirresistible scent. looks like their dog michelangelo did too. new gain ultra flings with two times oxi boost and febreze. hold on one second. sure. okay. okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that s safe drivers save 40%. it is, that s safe drivers save 40%. - he s right there. - it s him! he s here. he s right here. - hi! - hi. hey! - that s totally him. - it s him! that s totally the guy. safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today. 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this is a distinction without a difference. obviously, they are very different cases, certainly a man being strangled for 8:46 caught on video is perhaps the most jarring thing that we ve ever seen. and yet, we know that a dui stop should not result in you being killed. we know that a taser is not a lethal weapon so there was no reason for the officer to fear for his life. what this looks like is in so many cases, frankly, the officer was more concerned about making sure that this man did exactly what he told him to and the consequence of that was death. you should not run away from an officer. at the same time running away from an officer is not cause for death. you re not it s the opposite of threatening the officer. a taser is not a lethal weapon. it s just not. yeah, and if you re unarmed, except for a taser which is not a lethal weapon, even if you run away, you don t deserve the death sentence, you don t deserve to die, to be shot in the back as you re running away as a result of that especially when the police will have opportunities to catch you down the road in the not-too-distant future. there s a bill on police reforms. he told jake tapper earlier today that he supports a bill on choke holds. this comes after kevin mccarthy said the same. are you encouraged to hear that? sure. the way that this works in criminal justice reform is you ll find common cause with some republicans on some forms and you have to take that victory and keep on moving. let s be clear, those are very specific reforms that are part of a much broader range of reforms that are needed if we re going to transform public safety in this country and ensure that everybody can be confident that their son will come home, or their daughter will come home that night and that s really what we re dealing with is this deep-set fear among black children that our children are not safe, our loved ones are not safe. in order to get to that place, we re going to need to change everything, frankly, about public safety in this country. so getting rid of one technique, yes, that s progress. it s a small step. yeah, the situation right now is a critical situation here in the united states. let s hope there is some significant progress and we re all counting on that. thanks so much for joining us. thank you, good to be here. we re staying on top of the coronavirus pandemic. i ll have much more on that, all the days news. stay with us in the situation room. at philadelphia, we know what makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one! and the world s best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection. i m going to start the bidding at $5. thank you, sir. $6 over there! going once. going twice. sold! don t get mad get e trade and get more than just trading investing. banking. guidance. no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card. the first and only full prescription strength non-steroidal anti-inflammatory gel available over-the-counter. new voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. voltaren. the joy of movement. new voltaren is powerful arthriinstant eraser froma gel. maybelline new york. iconic cushion tip does it all. erase. shape. correct. no wonder it s america s #1 concealer. instant eraser. only from maybelline new york. you get the freedom of what a 7-day return policy. this isn t some dealership test drive around the block. it s better. this is seven days to put your carvana car to the test and see if it fits your life. load it up with a week s worth of groceries. take the kiddos out for ice cream. check that it has enough wiggle room in your garage. you get the time to make sure you love it. and on the 6th day, we ll reach out and make sure everything s amazing. if so. excellent. if not, swap it out for another or return it for a refund. it s that simple. because at carvana, your car happiness is what makes us happy.
we re covering the nationwide protests, look at this live picture coming in from atlanta. that s the wendy s which was the site of shooting of rayshard brooks friday night. it was burned in the unrest last night. that followed we re staying on top of that story. we re also staying on top of the pandemic that has been ravaging our country now for months. here in the united states, coronavirus cases are clearly on the rise in a number of states. as of saturday, 18 states were trending upward in new reported cases, several are seeing record or near-record highs. last week the u.s. reached a troubling milestone of more than 2 million confirmed cases and the cdc s latest forecast predicts the u.s. death toll could be around 130,000 by the fourth of july. that s coming up pretty soon. joining us now, the director for the global health institute. thank you so much for joining us. we don t have a vaccine. we don t know when we ll have a vaccine. as states move to reopen and with people protesting for justice in america, you re predicting an additional, perhaps as many as 100,000 deaths by september or so. are states doing enough right now to stop that from happening? wolf, thanks for having me on. the short answer is no. we re seeing the increases in the 18 states that you mentioned but a lot of states across the country are seeing very substantial increases in the number of cases. and the 200,000 mark that i suggest we re going to reach sometime in september, largely assumes that the number of cases and the number of deaths in america remain flat throughout the summer. obviously, if we have increases like the kind we re seeing, we might hit that grime milestone even earlier. we re having deaths here every single day. if you do the math, you can see what s happening every month. do you suspect it s going to go down anytime soon, that number of 800 or 900 or 1,000 deaths a day? well, we ve got to do something to bring it down. it won t naturally go down, it won t automatically go down. it will go down if we act. and actions including people wearing masks, which i m not seeing in a lot of the states that are opened up. obviously, as much social distancing as possible. and then the only other tool we have left is a really aggressive testing and tracing program which most states i think are trying. but without federal help, they can t ramp up. that s it. those are the entire set of tools we have for preventing the 200,000 deaths by september and i m not seeing those tools used effectively enough. president trump is preparing to resume his rallies despite this evidence that the gathering is likely going to spread the adviser. i want you to listen to what larry kudlow said about wearing masks at these rallies. people must observe the safety guidelines, okay, must. the social distancing must be observed. face coverings in key places, must be observed. i m glad to see you calling for people to wear masks and i assume that also means at the trump rally in tulsa, people should be wearing masks at the trump rally in tulsa this saturday. well, okay, probably so. so what do you think, doctor, these rallies that we know will draw very, very large crowds next weekend in tulsa, is this an outbreak potentially waiting to happen? yes. any large gatherings, whether it s rallies or protests, increase risk. we should be very clear about that. but things that make it much worse, being indoors much worse than being outdoors, not wearing masks worse than wearing masks and being stationary in one place is a problem. one of the things that has made me feel better about the protests is people are outside and largely wearing masks. the rallies really make me nervous, wolf, because they don t have any of those mitigation factors and unless everybody is really made to wear a mask at the rally in tulsa, i m very worried we re going to see large outbreaks from it. you would be more comfortable in the rallies were held at an outdoor stadium as opposed to indoors, right? everybody was asked to wear a mask and this wouldn t make it no risk. it would make it lower risk. and the goal here is, it s very hard to get to zero risk unless we re all staying at home. we have to lower the risk, outside, mask wearing, and people being stationary in one spot for many hours is also a problem which you could mitigate in some way. doing it inside is a real problem. it s a real potential risk indeed. doctor, thanks so much for what you re doing. thanks so much for joining us. thanks, wolf. a crowd of protestors are gathering right now outside that wendy s where rayshard brooks was shot and killed by police friday night after an altercation. we re going to have a live report from there coming up. stay with us. amazing than ever.smells more [woman] isn t that the dog s towel? 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reporter: from my vantage point, i can t tell you exactly what s happening on the highway. i m stepping over just a bit further and it looks like folks are walking on the interstate right now. again, police showed up in this area shortly after noon today. they closed off several streets nearby and they shut off a portion of the interstate and from where i m standing now, but they are on the highway as we speak. and it looks like there are several people on top of a police vehicle too. not actual law enforcement officers, but protestors, wolf. yeah, they re there on the highway. their intention seems to be to shut down this interstate 75. you see a police officer there in front of the flag. these are affiliates showing us what s going on on that i-75, a major interstate in the atlanta area. i want you to stand by, boris, we re going to get back to you. but right now, right now, i want to continue our conversation, we ll continue to show our viewers the picture of what s happening on that i-75 as the protests are sweeping the country in the wake of george floyd s death. i want to bring in the wbr id wbr24340 mayor of dallas, texas, mayor eric johnson is joining us now. what do you think? are you expressing hope that we re going to see some major changes unfold as far as racial justice in our country is concerned? i really do, wolf. i still maintain that confidence that ultimately, although this is a difficult period that we re in and things are in our cities across the country, mayors /b across the country, i talk to every day, we re all facing different challenges, trying to balance the need to bring about much needed change and also lead our cities through a pandemic. but i do believe in the end we are going to be a stronger nation for this and our cities are going to be stronger for this because i believe this is actually bringing people together, to bring about justice and to address an issue that has been 400 years in the making in our country. and i feel like we re finally getting reconciliation on those issues. i wbr-id wbr24940 know you ve been following what s going on since friday night in atlanta with the police shooting of rayshard brooks. did the mayor make the right decision with accepting the move of the atlanta police chief to step aside and calling for that police officer who shot and fired and killed rayshard brooks to be fired? mayors are in a very, very difficult position in this country right now and i just have to tip my hat to mayor bottoms. i think she s doing a great job. our primary responsibility as mayors is to hold everyone that report to us accountable. in dallas, the police chief does not report directly to me, but i believe that s not the case in atlanta. and i have to commend her for doing a tough job under tough circumstances and every city is different, every situation is different. but i believe she has done a very good job not just with this situation but over the past few weeks in dealing with a very tough situation on the ground. we re all dealing with similar situations in this country. we just learned, mayor, that rayshard brooks, according to the official autopsy details of which have just been released, he was shot in the back twice. he was shot in the back twice by that police officer, garrett rolfe, and i just want to get you ve seen the video. you ve seen what s going on. i assume you ve had problems in dallas over the years as well. what s your reaction to all of these developments in atlanta? i m not intimately familiar with all of the details of that individual case. i won t speak to that specific case. i will say this, though, as mayors we ve all dealt with we ve been in office for a while. i m a relatively new mayor, we ve all dealt with situations with police community relations being strained because of interactions with the police that have become deadly and it s a tough situation. and, again, i think the situation on the ground in atlanta is a difficult one. i think the mayor is handling it well. in dallas we ve made significant strides in trying to improve our police and community relations but we have a ways to go. those conversations are happening in our city in earnest right now and i want to make sure that the changes we make in dallas are the kind that for situations like what s happened in atlanta from happening in our city. that s an awful, awful situation. the fulton county medical examiner s office released the autopsy of rayshard brooks. it says he was shot in the back twice. he died from organ damage and blood loss from the two gunshot wounds. it s a horrendous situation. what do you think? i assume that the district attorney there in fulton county, he says as early as wednesday he might file charges. you anticipate he will? again, i can t say what s going to happen there. but i just know that we re in a point in our country now where people are tired, people want to see justice applied equally to not just everyday citizens, but also to the police. and i think that s what that s what so much of this outcry is about and i hope that s the situation and that s the case in atlanta, i hope that s the case across the country that we don t have two systems of justice for those who wear uniform and those who don t. those cases like every other criminal case, they re fact driven and i hope that people will look at the facts of those cases and make the right decision and not view it differently simply because the person involved is a police officer. and i think that s what we re all trying to get at here. we all want law and order, we believe in law and order. i support the police. i think most people do. but i think people are saying we want the police held to the same standards that we re held to when it comes to the use of lethal force. important points, indeed. mayor eric johnson of dallas, good luck in dallas. we ll have you back, i want to talk about the coronavirus pandemic and how it s impacting your city as well. we ll do that down the road. once again, thanks for joining us. absolutely. thanks for having me. we re following the latest breaking news out of atlanta, georgia, right now. the fulton county medical examiner s office has released details of the autopsy on rayshard brooks. he was shot twice in the back. we ll have much more on that and all the day s news when we come back. over time, you go noseblind to the odors in your home. 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reporter: look, the president last night while atlanta was literally if flames was tweeting in defense of his shaky walk down that ramp at west point at the military academy commencement. he was commenting because he thought people were making him look bad an social media and saying, well, it was slippery, i wasn t going to give anybody, the fake news the satisfaction of seeing me fall. but the president hasn t spoken out, and, of course, the one thing we ve seen consistently from him is that he has labeled protesters for racial justice, for police reform, as radical antifa militants. people trying to produce anarchy and destroy the country. so he s not really engaging with the merits of their claims even though we see on one swrid you aft after the other, one tragic death after the other, that there s a large, real, problem to be addressed. what s your take, david, on all of this? because i m looking at the president s tweets today. he was tweeting about antifa, other far-left militant groups. i didn t see him say anything or tweet anything about what happened in atlanta. reporter: yeah, look, wolf, i think these have been a disastrous few weeks for the president because he s completely misread the moment. you know, he is a he is a cultural warrior and he saw an opportunity to drive a wedge just at the time the country really needed to be unified and needed someone in leadership, the president of the united states, to speak to this moment and he it is so antithetical to his politics and who he is to play that role that he has defaulted to what he knows. which is to is to really run into that cultural divide and i think that you see some of that in his polling which is going south on him. he is just not meeting the moment and seems very satisfied. the fact that he had nothing to say in this moment, given everything that s happened, about what happened in atlanta last night, is truly shocking in one way but not surprising in another because it s consistent with the way he s handled this whole event, this whole set of events. you know, john, we re showing our viewers these aerial shots of that wendy s which was burned to the ground last night. the protesters clearly angry over what happened to 27-year-old rayshard brooks. he was shot in the back twice, according to the autopsy, and died as a result. shot by a police officer. the polling in recent days doesn t seem to be all that good right now for the president of the united states and his re-election campaign. these are live pictures, by the way, coming in from los angeles, john. what are you hearing from some of the campaign officials for the president and others as they see these numbers unfold? reporter: well, the numbers are terrible. the campaign people show it, but they understand that donald trump acts on his own impulses and instincts and exactly as david referred to a moment ago, to run into racial conflict, rather than try to heal it. and the president does not appear connected to the reality of this situation. he tweeted a few minutes ago before we came on air the silent majority is stronger than ever. what the polls are showing us nationally and in the battleground states is he doesn t have anything close to a majority. he is significantly behind joe biden nationally. he s behind in nearly all the battleground states. and so the president s conduct and his view of the world, which is rooted in an america 30, 40, 50, years ago has isolated hem from this moment and that is compounding his political problems. you know, david, it was really intriguing, joe biden earlier in the week weighed in on what he says might happen if president trump loses in november. listen and watch this. have you ever considered what would happen if the election results came out as you being the winner and trump refused to leave? yes. i have. i was so damn proud. you re going to have four chiefs of staff coming out and ripping the skin off of trump. and you have so many rank and file military personnel saying, whoa, we re not a military state, this is motte wnot who w. i promise you, i m absolutely convinced they will escort him from the white house with great dispatch. you know, that s a pretty amazing to hear the candidate say that. it s pretty shocking that he s even suggesting the possibility that the u.s. military would have to go into the white house and escort the president of the united states, if he loses, out of the white house. yeah. well, the fact that we re having this conversation is remarkable, wolf, and, you know, what we saw from the military in the last few and senior military leaders who are now retired but highly respected, speaks to the their sense of their role as an institution and in some ways who are sending a signal saying, do not weave us into your political schemes, we alay role. but gii just want to say one quk thing about what john said before. there is a majority in this count country, but it s not silent, and what s been remarkable about the last few weeks has been the millions and millions of americans who have taken to the streets in peaceful protest after the after the floyd murder. subject of police/community relations and, but on the fundamental issues of civil rights and human rights, and what s remarkable about the polling is how broad that majority is. so the president is, as john says, working off on outdated playbook. the more he presses those old buttons, the more i think he complicates his political situation. he s losing wie ining women. he s losing the suburbs. he s losing non-college-educated women who voted for him by 27 points. he s still winning with them but losing them in large numbers all because of the way he s handling situations like this. he talks about law and order but he seems to create and almost yearn for chaos and that smis making people very uncomfortable at this moment. at this moment is the key words because there s plenty of time between now and november as we all know. david axelrod, john harwood, appreciate it very, very much. once again, we re seeing nationwide protests now in their 20th day here in the united states as demonstrators call for an end to racial injustice. i ll speak to the son of dr. martin luther king jr. for his take on what we ve just seen over these past two days in atlanta. the next hour of our special edition of the situation room starts right after a quick break. can i find an investment firm with a truly long-term view that s been through multiple market cycles for over 85 years? 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last 20 years we an end to lockdown. for the last 20 yea rs we have an end to lockdown. for the last 20 years we have seen globalisation ta ke years we have seen globalisation take over our world. maybe that will come to an end now. globalisation was helped by the huge growth of air travel, but look at the skies, they are empty. maybe like britton woods in19 44, are empty. maybe like britton woods “1191111, we are empty. maybe like britton woods in 19 44, we need that mac may be 110w in 19 44, we need that mac may be now it will be easier to get international action on climate change. we have seen that human beings can behave sensibly. if you watch hollywood disaster movies, usually about human society collapsing, mountains of rubbish in the streets and law and order disappears. yet, take a look around. civilisation is still here. maybe human beings aren t quite as bad as we thought they were. now it s time for a look at the weather with darren. hello, there. it is another cool day for many parts of the country, some rain around. there is some unusually windy weather for the time of year. those gusty winds will drive rain down into southern parts of england and wales this afternoon. sunshine does return to the north of many areas, some blustery showers too. cool, wet and windy, though, across northern ireland and north west scotland, where we have seen a lot of rain already. southern and eastern scotland the place to be, with lighter winds and some sunshine giving those temperatures a boost. 0vernight, we will see the back of those heavy showers as they run away south eastwards, and then some rain moves down across scotland into northern england, down towards the west by the end of the night, temperatures slipping away to around eight or nine celsius. during sunday, we will see that rain turning to move southwards across northern england down towards the midlands. at the same time, it does tend to ease off. we will see the showers reducing in scotland, and for many places it will become drier, a bit brighter, more in the way of sunshine across southern parts of england. it will give those temperatures a boost here to around 19 or 20 celsius. still a northerly wind, but not as windy as today. hello this is bbc news with carrie gracie. the headlines: the uk government is urging people to avoid gatherings of more than six people, including anti racism protests, this weekend. rallies are planned in support of the black lives matter campaign. the national football league in the united states has reversed its stance against players speaking out against police violence. the league s boss said it had been wrong to stop players from peacefully protesting during the national anthem. thousands of people have taken to the streets of sydney, australia, to demonstrate against racism and police violence. the protest had been banned by a state court order, but was overturned just before the rally was due to start. the world health organization now says face masks should be worn in public, as nhs trusts in england say they weren t consulted on a decision to make all hospital staff wear them. now on bbc news, we take a look at how people s lives are changing across the globe in coronavirus: your stories. welcome to coronavirus, your stories, a problem about how covid 19 is changing the lives of people around the world. i m philippa thomas and this week will bring you stories of those stranded at sea because of the global lockdown. later, the round the world see others who stopped on an uninhabited island in the bahamas 113 days ago. first, spare a thought for those whose jobs it is to go to sea. there are more than 200,000 seafarers out there are many of them expected to disembark weeks or even months ago. these are key workers who help to transport more than 90% of the world was mike goodes, the stuff that we buy and sell everyday, but quite often for the rest of us they are out of sight and out of mind. it is quite hard to establish a television link with those who are at sea, but we have two stories for you, one german and one indian. at first, an apprentice to was on her way from the persian gulf to malaysia. the second, as my captain whose oil tanker is currently a port in saudi arabia. this is one of the biggest oil tankers in the world. when ijoined the ship i stay on board for four when ijoined the ship i stay on board forfour months. when ijoined the ship i stay on board for four months. i have when ijoined the ship i stay on board forfour months. i have not been aboard for over five months. the ship generally sales between the far east, loads in the middle east, the red sea or the persian gulf, and it discards its load summer in japan, south korea. which ports are you sailing between, how long have you sailing between, how long have you been on board? i am on board a container vessel. i have been on board now for eight months in 12 days. we are sailing between the persian gulf and asia, saudi arabia, qatar, oman, and asia, china, hong kong, singapore and malaysia and korea. captain singh, yu and hannah are among thousands of seafarers who are among thousands of seafarers who are now not able to go on shore at all. no, because of the covert lockdown, we are locked up here and cannot leave. whenever the immigration comes on board, if they do, they do not issue us a permit to go out. it is that we are carrying coronavirus, but in this current situation, we stayed locked up on the ship, we are the safest people in the world. he feels lockdown, we feel pressurised, but the way things are moving, the way we are being told to stay on ship, there is no place for us to go, so we feel that it is not justified. place for us to go, so we feel that it is notjustified. it should be standard procedure where people can do things normally. i understand that coronavirus, its effects are scary, but there should be some standards, approaches where our issue should be addressed. what do you think world leaders could do to help seafarers like you? should there be special flights, help seafarers like you? should there be specialflights, for example? that is something that i have in mind. we are making things moved. we are keeping the supply chain moving. logistics, the food chain, we are the ones at the front who are fighting corona. we are making things move. it is really puzzling that all the boarders have not come together. keeping us on board for a long period of time is not correct. it will be more dangerous for the ship and for the movement of cargo. there are issues of depression that can be dangerous for society, for the economy. hannah, r apprentice ship s mechanic. you are a key worker helping to keep goods moving around the world. what do you think should be done to help people like you who are on board vessels?” be done to help people like you who are on board vessels? i have the same opinion. the lockdown in general is the right decision. of course they don t want to spread the virus and they want to keep the country safe, but there should be exemptions for seafarers or key workers in general. the problem is a lot of people don t really know that seafarers exist. there should be special regulations and have the opportunity to fly home and enter their countries. you are an apprentice on your second sea voyage. you are 19, starting a career at sea, 110w voyage. you are 19, starting a career at sea, now you have voyage. you are 19, starting a career at sea, now you have been aboard for so long, what do you miss most? i can definitely say that i am happy here, but even though i am happy here, but even though i am happy here, but even though i am happy here, of course i miss my family the most. captain singh, i know that your connection with family is very important. you are able to talk to your wife quite often. that is correct. i get to talk to my family any time of the day i want and i stayed connected to her all the time and that is what keeps me moving. as a captain you are responsible for the morale and good health of your crew. what activities are you organising to help keep them going? generally, it isa help keep them going? generally, it is a big team out here, it is a floating ship but we operate as a team. iam floating ship but we operate as a team. i am in charge so i need to make sure morale stays high and everybody is in good health and they operate, work, do their thing is in a safe and proper manner so that nobody was injured. there are people on board who have completed the contract and are sailing much beyond the stipulated contract time, so physically and mentally they are tired. in these times, keeping their morale high is very important. i can talk lot of meetings, a lot of games, sometimes parties, sometimes we just chat, play ludo were small games here and there. we meet in the evenings, have a small stool, just to gauge how they are doing and see they are emotionally signed. we need to stay motivated and working conditions, so they don t end up in an accident or be a casualty because they are tired mentally. i keep the morale very high. i feel myself as the father of the ship, they are my children. hannah, you have said to me that you think you have a great captain on yourship, me that you think you have a great captain on your ship, as well. you are one woman in the company of men. how is life? do you feel relaxed?” definitely feel relaxed. everything is quite perfect on the ship and we have a great captain. with all this responsibility, what keeps you motivated? it is a good question. my wife comes into play, my family comes into play. my wife is always with me. i share everything with her and she is the one who is keeping me alive and living on the ship. the other day she said to me, don t get lonely, don t get disturbed, this too will pass. this is what keeps me motivated. she is the one who makes me breathe and makes me work, that is my way of working on ships. i know one day i will certainly go back to her and stay with her. thank you both for sharing your stories about what it is like to be working at sea under lockdown. i m philippa thomas. next, a sailing family who find shelter on an uninhabited island in the bahamas 113 days ago. what is it like to be surviving in isolation, and what do they do next? i have been talking to them, plus their baby, sierra, he was determined to be heard. the island is completely uninhabited. no people, no city, just ask of the ocean and a few other boats. and you are managing with a baby who i think is going to be ten months old this week. how are you surviving? yes, she is going to be ten months old and three days. i feel like we are doing quite well. we are feeling very fortu nate doing quite well. we are feeling very fortunate to be it. it is a beautiful place and we are normally set up on the boat to be self sufficient for months at a time, so we are able to make your own electricity with the sun and the wind, we can make your own water with a desalination plant, we can make your own alcohol with this still that we have on board. we are well set out to be it. we are just taking it day by day and by month. how long has it been, and i have to ask, how do you get food and water? i think today is 113 days. yes, 113 days. we make water from salt water with the desalination plant on board. you can be quite a lot, 200 litres an hour. water is no problem. third, we capture own food a lot here, so brian is able to go spear fishing. when the lobster season was in full swing we did that. that stopped about a month ago. we haven t caught any lobster since then. other than that, haven t caught any lobster since then. otherthan that, we haven t caught any lobster since then. other than that, we have haven t caught any lobster since then. otherthan that, we have been able to order some food through a mail boat. it is a full day trip for a grocery run. sometimes it comes, sometimes it doesn t, but it does allow us to get some fresh vegeta bles allow us to get some fresh vegetables and fruits, which is really the only thing we need. before we left on this trip we had plenty of provisions like salt and sugar and flour, rice, all the basics, and we have freezers on board so we can freeze some stuff from the last city we were in. if you add that to the fish, the things we can spear, we are you add that to the fish, the things we can spear, we are actually eating quite good and feeling pretty healthy. i ve got to put it to you, for some stranded travellers, that looks like paradise, a pretty nice existence. but i have also told our viewers is that hurricane season is on the way, or it s just here? yeah, that is correct. and, look, you can feel the change in the weather. it s palpable. you know, we have been having these sudden squalls that come up, big lightning storms, you know, the wind will go from zero to 30 or 35 knots in the blink of an eye, and when you live in a normal house that s not such a big idea or deal, but when your house is basically hooked to the earth with a small piece of chain, dangerous weather can be a real problem for us. and itjust endangers us and our home. so we really have to stay on top of the weather, constantly looking at the forecast bulletins that have been coming out. and we actually move the boat quite often to make sure that we stay protected as the winds and the storms change. and i guess you re thinking, if it was the two of you, perhaps you could take a little more rough and ready weather, but you now have sierra to think about as well? yeah, we ve definitely some changes about having a baby onboard. you think about things differently, right? but yeah, for sure, it has changed the way we feel, like, we want to be a bit extra safe and we will probably move further north fairly soon, knowing this may be a fairly bad year for hurricanes. so we will see how it goes, but i think we will start thinking about it pretty soon. yeah, and one of the issues is that delos is a fairly large boat a sailboat, she s 53 feet, and if there s two of us on board, just karen and myself, and one of us needs to mind sierra, a lot of the time it effectively means one person is sailing the boat, which is a lot of trouble. we were supposed to have crew from austria fly in to assist us to sail, but because of the virus and all the airport closures, nobody is flying to help us. you know, when we do set sail, it s probably going to be a 7 10 day sail, and wherever we arrive, we are anticipating a 14 day quarantine. so when we leave, we need to be self sufficient for 3 3.5 weeks, or something like that, which is quite a bit of time to be at sea, but that s what we re planning for. and i know you re hoping to be able to go to maine, on the north east coast of the united states, because one of the problems is what harbour are you allowed to go to? but, yeah, what do you think that voyage is going to be like? how do you feel about that prospect? i m definitely nervous! we have been sitting here now for, yeah, quite a few months and we haven t done a lot of sailing because we haven t been allowed to. and yeah, it definitely feels scary to think about all of the males we have to go, but delos is a really good boat, we are a really good team, and we re just going to take it slow and sail by the weather and just hope for the best, i guess. yeah. we really because part of the problem is we need to cross the gulf stream to get up north, and, you know, if you have any weather out of the north, it creates big waves in the gulf stream. so we need southerly component breeze, southerly, south easterly, something like that, put the wind behind us, and then we d be able to make some tracks further north. but maine is looking like a pretty good option. it s out of the hurricane zone, the tropical storm zone, up there it looks like there will be some isolated and protected anchorages, it s a very low population density and therefore it has had less of an impact from the virus. and so when we were thinking about places to go, we obviously want to skip large centres of population, which is a shame, because there are some places up the east coast i really, really, really, wanted can you imagine being able to sail past the statue of liberty? and now thatjust does not seem like a good idea. so our plans are completely, completely changed in that regard. you seem pretty calm, even though you talk about some nerves, karen. let us explain to our view is you are pretty hardy sailors. you are on an around the world voyage and for brian, you have been sailing for nearly ten years now? yeah, this trip started in seattle in 2009, and so far we have sailed almost 80,000 nautical miles, which if you measure the earth at the equator, we would have sailed around the earth three times, given that number of miles. so, we have sailed in all of the oceans of the world, the pacific, the indian, the atlantic, crossed them multiple times. um, but i think the thing about sailing in the ocean is you should never let your guard down, because the second you become complacent, no matter how many miles you ve sailed, that is when something is going to happen. so we try and stay on our toes, we try and stay alert, i still get butterflies in my stomach, i think you do as well. yes. ..every time we sail. yeah. and i think that s a good thing. that keeps it real and it keeps it exciting. and i think sierra is doing really well. if you need to walk, walk away, i quite understand, karen. as we ve seen, you are very isolated and very safe from coronavirus. how does it feel to be heading for your next harbour, to the united states, where they ve now passed 100,000, the coronavirus is still very much active? yeah, i think that s a great point. this really is a safe harbour, we ve felt very isolated here and as far as the virus here, it s not a concern just because we are out here on a boat, there are lots of fish, we don t have to mix with potentially contagious people. but when you think about potentially being caught between a hurricane on one side and a pandemic on the other, we have to make tough decisions, and it s like all things in life, there s always trade offs. but i have first hand seen the power of a storm, and that is something that is just unimaginable what a hurricane can do. we re safe from the virus out here but as far as an anchorage goes, it s not well protected from any sort of big wind or big waves or anything like that. so when we look at it that way, at least this way we can control our destiny a little bit. we can say ok, we re going to move on our timetable, on our schedule, as opposed to getting a five day warning for a storm and having to ad hoc pull up the anchor and setting off. do you agree? yeah. and i think going to the us is going to be a reality shock. i mean, we haven t been to a supermarket yet. oh, yeah. i mean, we haven t been doing anything, and just wearing, like, masks and doing all of that stuff is going to be different. what about the longer term as well? are you still keen to be able to sail if we get back to anything like normality, where harbours are open to you again? will you carry on? yeah, definitely. i mean, i would love to continue sailing. this is our life, this is our home, we don t have anywhere else to go or live. and i want to show sierra this lifestyle and even more show her the world. yeah, that s our dream, i think, right? yeah, it s a lifestyle we love very much and it suits us quite well. yeah. we have adapted to it. a final thought is it going to be strange for you meeting people again and again who have been going through coronavirus and covid 19 realities day by day by day while you ve been on this island out in the ocean by yourselves? yeah, definitely. i think about that and i ve been thinking about all the rules and regulations and how we ll adapt, especially with the baby. i mean, i can t see how she will wear a face mask. and, you know, just being able to take her out to see anybody, i don t think that s on the horizon any time soon. and that feels sad to me, but i guess we just have to do what feels right and just stay safe and stay safe for other people and don t take any risks. and, yeah, just go from there. yeah, i think it s going to be an absolutely was a change of life from us being out here and surrounded by nature, and going to a place where you now need to stand a certain number of metres away from somebody, it still boggles my mind, what everybody must be going through and how we re going to have to adapt to it when we get into it. brian and karen trautman hoping to restart their around the world voyage very soon. i m philippa thomas, for thank you forjoining me on coronavirus: your stories. hello, there. this weekend is quite different from previous weekends as we are still stuck in this cool airstream, where we have got some unusually windy weather for early june, particularly today. there will be some rain around, as well. things will gradually tend to improve as we head into tomorrow. this was the picture, though, earlier on, across more southern parts of england the promise, perhaps, of a decent work day ahead. well, the weather is changing, and we have got this cloud curling around an area of low pressure in the north sea. that is sinking its way southwards and is taking that thicker cloud southwards as well, bringing a spell of rain. that will move down into southern parts of england and behind it, many areas, i think, will get some sunshine, but for eastern england, there will be some heavy showers as well. into the afternoon, the rain probably not amounting to too much by this stage across the south, but it will be windy with some blustery showers blown in across the eastern side of england, the risk of some thunder. some sunshine perhaps, although quite cloudy and damp and windy across northern ireland, as it will be across the north west of scotland, where it has been quite wet so far today. across the south and east of scotland, though, the wind should ease as sunshine is coming out, and this is the place to be. temperatures could make 19 or 20 celsius in the central belt, nearly 1a or 15 celsius where we get the sunshine in those heavier showers. those showers do tend to fade away later on tonight. at the same time, the rain that was in the north of scotland moves southwards into northern england and down towards the wash by the end of the night, and we will see temperatures slipping away to about eight or 9 celsius. i mentioned the weather should improve for the second half of the weekend. we ve got an area of high pressure in the west, tantalisingly close, but i think that is where it is going to stay for the time being. still some rain around that low pressure in the east, and a northerly wind, but it won t be as windy on sunday. the rain moving down across northern england into the midlands should become lighter and patchy throughout the afternoon, any showers fading away from scotland, with many places brightening up a touch. more in the way of sunshine across southern england and south wales means a better day here, a warmer day, certainly, temperatures making 19 or 20 celsius. now, this high pressure moving a bit closer is going to be the more dominant feature, i think, during monday and tuesday. eventually, this weather front will bring some rain into the north west later on tuesday, but elsewhere, i think it will be dry. there will be a fair bit of cloud, some sunshine at times, and we are seeing those temperatures near normal for the time of year.
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latest figures from the us show that 90,000 people have now died with coronavirus, almost a third of the world total. there have been more than 1.5 million recorded cases of covid 19. president trump has said he s taking an unproven antimalarial drug as a precaution. the trump administration has once again criticised the world health organisation s response to the coronavirus pandemic, accusing it of costing many lives by failing to provide the information the world needed. in response, the agency s director general said they had sounded the alarm early and often. india and bangladesh are preparing to evacuate more than 2 million people as cyclone amphan heads towards their coasts. it s expected to make landfall on wednesday. this would be the first supercyclone in the bay of bengal in 20 years. now on bbc news, hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. much of the world responded to the covid 19 pandemic with a lockdown strategy. now the focus is on finding a way out of lockdown without prompting a second wave of infection. could sweden provide a model? well, my guest today is sweden s chief epidemiologist, anders tegnall. now, he was the architect of a controversial no lockdown strategy, which continues to stir interest right across the world. has it worked? anders tegnall in stockholm, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. let s begin with the latest picture in sweden. your death figures every day from covid 19, they go up, they go down, sometimes by significant margins. it s hard to get a real sense of whether you are really in control of the spread of covid 19 in sweden or not. what do you say? yeah, we know that the death toll is a bit complicated because the registration of death is sometimes a few days late. so we now collect data on actual date of death and we do it in a way that we do not worry too much about the last ten days because we know they are unsure, a lot of things happening and they fill out every day. instead, we look at two days before that and then we follow the trend much better and we have a clear declining trend. i think we topped atjust under 100 cases a day and now we are down to slightly more than 80 a day on the average. the trend seems to keep going that way. that trend is clearly very good news. but is not the brutal truth that you have had many more deaths in sweden than you would have had if, like your scandinavian neighbours, you had imposed an early and very strict lockdown policy? i think that s very difficult to know. the death toll in sweden is mainly in the long term facilities for long term ill, elderly people and we had very much an unfortunate spread in those facilities in the way that some other countries had, but not all our nordic neighbours. why we had a spread in sweden and not our neighbouring countries, that is something we are trying to investigate now. with respect, isn t that part of my point? that you probably would not have had that catastrophic spread of covid i9 through your care homes, particularly around stockholm, if you had run a more strict, a less open policy for the general population? yeah, i mean, these people meet a lot of people, even if you have a lockdown, so you cannot isolate them. in that way, lockdown would not have stopped the spread into them and we can see now, when we are starting to look at these places, we see a decline in the incidences in those places, once we really get them to focus on basic hygiene procedures. let me ask you this. as the country s chief epidemiologist, the man, let us be honest, the man who in many ways is the architect of the swedish government s strategy for coping with covid i9 can you regard a situation in which your country has, getting on for 30,000 infections of covid i9 in the population, has a death toll which is significantly higher than your neighbours, standing at around 3500, can you regard that as success or do you have to acknowledge that in some ways your strategy failed ? yeah, that s true. when it comes to the death toll, this didn t work out the way we hoped it. 0n the other hand, the connection between our basic strategy in slowing down the spread, if that s really in the long run will affect the total death toll in the society or not, that is not clear yet. we know that our neighbouring countries by now have around i% of the population who had some kind of immunity, has had the disease. the investigations we have had in sweden so far we have a major one going on that will give us a better answer it points that we have at least ten, maybe 20 times higher level of immunity in the population, which means that we are much further into the spread than other countries, and if that means that other countries will reach similar death tolls to us or not, i think that s very difficult tojudge. that is a very interesting answer because you are inviting me there to consider the long term significance of this notion, this concept of herd immunity. now, your own government says that the strategy that you implemented, the more moderate, the less strict emergency response to covid i9 was not about establishing herd immunity, but you seem to be suggesting that actually it is about getting to that point where so many people in the general population have had covid i9 and, therefore, we can assume have some resistance to getting it again, that you have this concept of herd immunity in your population. was that the working strategy or not? no, it was not. i m just pointing out one way that shows that you cannot make this kind of easy comparison at this stage because the epidemic has hit different countries in many different ways. the point is really about comparisons with your nordic, scandinavian neighbours. because they took a different approach, they were much stricter in their lockdown, as you ve acknowledged, and the death tolls, denmarkjust over 500, finland just over 200, norwayjust over 200. they are strikingly different from sweden s, and the point really is that they now feel they are in a position to ease their strict lockdowns, to bring some sense of normality back to their populations and to quote one of the senior ministers in denmark, they feel that there s very little chance of a second spike in infections because of what they have achieved. so they are as far along the curve as you are, but they ve prevented hundreds and hundreds of deaths that you failed to prevent. i don t understand what you mean that they are as far along the curve as we are. 0bviously they are not. if only i% or 2% of their population has been infected, they are not very far along any kind of curve. but they are confident that because of measures that they took and the social distancing and the public consciousness that they now have, that the disease will not spread and will not kill the numbers that have been killed in sweden. yep, and only the future can tell. if you look at similar kind of diseases, we have never really been able to stop anything. we can sometimes delay things. they ve been successful in doing that, our nordic neighbours, but to stop them forever i don t think that s going to be possible with covid i9, just as it has never been possible with flus or any other viral diseases in this way. we ll come back to your vision of future in a moment, but i am very interested in the philosophical point that your approach has tested, and that is the notion of not conducting your emergency response through the heavy hand of government, through strict mandatory lockdown, but talking to your people, placing trust in your own population and saying to them, we are relying on you voluntarily to adopt behaviours that we think will best control the spread of this disease. do you think your policy of trust has worked? yes, i really do. because we can really see that we have big impacts and that comes back a bit to the comparison to other countries and so on. if we look at some statistics that we have, we can look at the travel patterns travel during easter was only 10% of what it normally is, showing that people really tried to minimise their social contact. we can also see that some of our other viral diseases like flu, which has the same kind of pattern every year, suddenly stopped in the middle of the pattern and disappeared. also, once again showing that social distancing really worked and you can see trains in sweden running at 10% of capacity, domestic flights are almost not running anymore and so people really took this on in a way that is more or less equal to people and countries who did it by illegal measures. yours was a mandatory crackdown. in that sense, do you think some governments, particularly in europe, where the lockdowns have been severe, have infa ntilised their populations and therefore when they release the brakes, people may not act in the responsible way that you say swedes continue to act. i don t know if i canjudge that, but i can say one very important thing for us is what you are alluding to and that is sustainability. these kind of measures, voluntary measures, with a big understanding in a population of why we re doing this, have a much higher level of sustainability. we all know that this is something that we are going to have to handle for a long time and, as you said, our nordic neighbours now believe that they can handle it in the long term, going over to something which is fairly similar to what sweden is doing today. but we really need to then have sustainable solutions. and, sure, i mean, there are signs of a reaction in some countries that when you turn things free, then you really use your freedom to the maximum extent. here in sweden, even if people are getting slightly more mobile as we head into summer, we still have a great level of social distancing in place. let me, if i may, get a little personal with you. earlier, i said you became seen as the architect of a maverick policy which went against the grain of the scientific consensus in many other parts of the world, where scientists were backing very strict mandatory lockdown. it did put you in the spotlight, notjust in sweden, but right around the world, and as the death toll has mounted in sweden, and you ve been open about that, how has that affected you personally? do you feel any sense of personal responsibility for those lives lost? i mean, this is not my decision or anything like that. we are a big agency, i have my director who backs this whole thing. you re a modest man, but i think you would accept that much of the groundwork and strategy and the thinking behind sweden s policy came from you, and it seems to me that that is quite a burden for you to bear when we see what has happened. i mean, of course, this death toll is highly regrettable. it s a terrible thing that we re seeing. i think we have a number of explanations why this happened, not directly connected to our strategy. now, when we re investigating these long term facilities, there are a lot of things that can be done to improve the quality of hygiene, other things there, and most likely would diminish the death toll over time in these facilities. it s highly regrettable that that was not seen by the people responsible before this happened, but it did happen and, of course, it s terrible. 0n the other hand, we re not too sure a strict lockdown would have changed so much. it didn t change very much in the netherlands, in the uk and many other places. and what about the debate in the scientific community? it s very notable, i think it was pretty much 2000 doctors, scientists, professors, learned people signed a petition calling on the government to reverse your policy and impose stricter measures that was back in late march, and even in april, on april 22, some very respected scientists in sweden wrote a piece condemning officials without talent, which undoubtedly included you, saying that the decisions were wrong and to quote one leading immunologist, cecilia soderberg naucler, she said, we are not testing, we re not tracking and the people behind this strategy are leading us to catastrophe. how did you cope with all that? yeah, i can cope with that because i know that of the other 40,000 scientists in sweden, the majority is realy behind us. we have an expert group that we talk to every week who are very much behind us, completely in line with what we re trying to do and we are really trying to the best we can under the circumstances we re in, that we are trying to sacrifice some of it to have an easier burden on the economy, that is definitely false. the 2000 was a big mixture of different kinds of scientists and the smaller group of 22 is not our leading scientists in the field. the leading scientist in the field is behind us. what about the public? so that part doesn t worry me too much. the death toll definitely worries me, but that small group of scientists does not worry me. interesting, and what about the public? because you ve had a lot of support. you ve even had people putting tattoos of your face on their bodies and wearing t shirts proclaiming their support for you. but you ve had others, and i dare say some of those were the family members of people who have died, who have been very critical. that s tough. yeah, but i think that also shows that the agency and the policy has strong support in the population. we have done several investigations, and not only us, many others have done investigations, and the level of people who are behind what we re doing is like 70 80%, which is an incredibly high number for any kind of measure from a public health agency in sweden. and only like 5 10% think that we should think more about the health of the population. another 10 20% are worried about the economy. and i think that s it s a great support for what we re doing, that the population is definitely behind us. and then we have some extremes, with tattoos and stuff like that, which i try not to think about too much. it must be a strange feeling when you see yourself on somebody else‘s body, ican imagine. but you say that you didn t do any of this in terms of the strategy and the policy that you scientists came up with and that the government adopted, you didn t do it for economic reasons. but surely the truth is that when it came to the crunch and making these big decisions, people at the top of government in sweden did want to keep the economy functioning as well as it possibly could. they wanted to avoid long term damage, and surely that was a very important element in this strategy. not the way we delivered it. i mean, we didn t do those calculations. 0n the other hand, we did calculations on the broader public health impact. i mean, when it comes to closing schools, there s a lot of science behind that closing schools does a lot of damage to children, especially children who are vulnerable already, from the beginning. being out of work is also very dangerous from a public health perspective. so i think you re onto something here. i mean, our strategy includes broader public health perspectives. than maybe many others in other countries. when it comes to the economic consequences, that s on the government level, and of course they will make adjustments to the things we suggest, taking the economy into account. but it s definitely not our part of the development of this strategy. right, so when you look across europe and the world at other countries and the way they re doing things, and i m thinking now of where i am, the united kingdom, where the lockdown is still pretty much in place, with a very few minor easings of it, and schools are still closed, and there is a very great debate about whether any schools beyond primary age will open before september it seems they won t are you saying that is just plain wrong, it s a mistake? it s getting the balance between tackling covid and wider public health and social issues it s getting the balance wrong? yeah, i mean, only the future can tell, and i think what is the science behind this and what is not the science behind dealings with covid i9 is definitely not clear. i mean, not anybody can claim that they have the science that lockdowns are good and the more open strategy in sweden is wrong, because there is no science, really, supporting anything. what s supporting what we re doing in sweden is we re following a long tradition of how we work in public health. we are also taking into account the public health effect of closing schools and other things which would give you a lot of long term problems in the area of public health, and that needs to be taken into account when you close schools. and so not doing that, i think, would not be ethical and not be a correct public health way of working. i ll tell you what s striking in this interview, and i would say honest on your part, is that you keep telling me that on many aspects of this covid i9 response, the science isn t clear. i want to, in that context, bring you back to the notion of herd immunity. cos you have said, you said it just a few weeks ago, that you believe by the end of may that there will be a form of herd immunity in play in stockholm. i think you suggested that by then you could imagine that maybe 30% or 40% of the population will have had covid i9, and will have, therefore, a form of immunity. but it seems to me you have no scientific evidence for that. you re not doing enough testing to know whether that 40% figure is real, and you also, frankly, don t know the science of covid i9. you don t know that having had covid i9 gives you any long term immunity at all. so, where s your science? we are just now doing a major investigation in sweden, like they ve done in other countries, taking a sample of the total population and looking at the level of immunity they re having right now, so we get better data. what we re basing it on so far is a few minor investigations showing levels between 10% and 15% of different smaller groups have immunity, which supports the modelling that s been done by two or three different scientists in sweden. and when it comes to immunity, just recently i had a discussion with the top scientist on coronavirus and immunity in sweden, and everybody says of course there s immunity. we can measure antibodies, we can measure other aspects of immunity, and why should covid i9 be different than all other infectious diseases? but what about these cases, dr tegnell, what about these cases i read about from china to california of people who had covid i9, recovered, tested negative after they recovered, and then two months later test positive again? apparently they ve caught it again. that is not a reinfection. i ve just discussed this with the top people in sweden. some of them are what they call a recurrence. i mean, you can have part of this virus and carry it obviously for a very long time, which explains some of the cases. other of the cases were obviously contaminations when they were tested the first time. there is no, as far as they knew, and i really trust these people, there is no confirmed cases of somebody who really had the infection twice. we have a very good system of register in sweden. among all the cases we have had in sweden, not one of them have had it more than once. well, to be really sure, then, about how much immunity there is in the general population, you do need the antibody test. roche, the pharmaceutical giant in switzerland, has now developed an antibody test that the us, the eu and now the uk governments are all saying they approve of. is sweden intending to test pretty much everybody over the next few months? we are doing as i said, we are doing a test of a sample of the population to look at the level of immunity in the whole population right now. the samples have been tested, a few of them have been random, but in the next week we ll be able to tell what s the level of immunity. and we re using a number of different methods to look at that, because there is a number of methods out there, and we have developed some ourselves with the help of the top immunologist in sweden doing this. so, towards the end of next week, we can say better what level of immunity we have in the population. i want to end, if i may we re short of time, dr tegnell. i m sorry to interrupt, we re short of time. i just want to end with some thoughts about the future, because throughout this interview, you ve indicated you don t think that, if we can call it the fight, the fight against covid i9 will come to any sort of end until there is an effective vaccine that is deliverable to the world s population. so, we re talking, let s say, a year or 18 months at the best, in most people s view. in the meantime, how much normality can there be? if we take sweden as one of the more advanced countries, that s thought about this a lot, do you think that we, for example, can return before a vaccine to a world in which there is widespread travel, even between countries, where crowds can gather at music concerts or football stadiums, where hugs and handshakes can become routine again, where people do not have to wear facemasks on public transport, or has our life fundamentally changed for the long term ? nobody knows the answer to that question. i think certain things we can be quite sure about. i think for a long time we re going to need to protect our elderly in different ways. because they are always going to be susceptible to this disease, and they are always going to have a very high death toll to it, unless we find a vaccine that will work in that part of the population, which is not going to be easy, or a treatment, and that s not going to be easy either. when it comes to other things, this is not only one nation that can decide, about travel and so on. i think that we in sweden would feel rather confident to ease down on some of the things. maybe travelling around could be ok, maybe a few other things could be ok. if we sometime get an immunity test that works a bit better on the individual level, which they unfortunately don t do yet, we don t have enough experience on that, we can probably ease a few other things too. oui’ main concern now is really the elderly, who have been very isolated, and we need to find different ways of easing that isolation, because that will also affect our health, both in the short term and the both in the short term and the long term, and i think that s one of our main concerns right now. and i m just very interested in one point. do you go out every time you go out now, do you wear a facemask? nope, in sweden we don t wearfacemasks. in sweden, we stay home when we re sick. i think that makes a big difference. anders tegnell, it has been fascinating getting your insights from sweden. thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you. hello there. on monday, the temperature reached 25 celsius in suffolk, and over the next couple of days, the heat will continue to build. the peak of the temperatures is likely to be on wednesday. things start to break down a bit after that. chance of thunderstorms on thursday before we all turn cooler and windier by the end of the week. pretty mild out there at the moment away from northernmost parts of scotland. these are the temperatures by the end of the night, and as you can see, still a lot of cloud around. some outbreaks of rain, too. that rain continuing to affect the northern half of the uk mainly during tuesday morning. slowly petering out, many places becoming dry during the afternoon. the cloud thinning and skies brightening. the best of the sunshine likely to be across wales, the midlands and southern england, where temperatures will peak at 25 or 26 degrees. but on the whole, it should be a slightly warmer day across the uk than it was on monday. and those temperatures continue to climb for wednesday. that area of high pressure is sitting over the uk. it s pushing the cloud and rain away, and we re going to be drawing up a gentle southerly breeze that will bring the heat northwards all the way from spain and france and move its way across the uk. northern areas start quite cloudy on wednesday. some rain to clear away from the northern isles, the cloud thins and breaks, and sunshine develops more widely. and in the afternoon, we re likely to find temperatures of 23 degrees through central scotland, 20 or so for northern ireland, the highest temperatures across the midlands to the south east of england, 27 or 28 degrees. things start to break down a bit on thursday. there s a bit of rain trying to come in from the west. that may not make it too far. these showers are likely to break out from the south east of england, heading towards the midlands, lincolnshire and east anglia, and they could be heavy and thundery. and that will knock the temperatures down. for many of us, it s still quite a warm day on thursday, just not quite as warm as wednesday. and then things start to change more widely, i think, for the end of the week, because we ve got this area of low pressure. it s winding itself up, the winds will be strengthening and this weather front will be bringing some rain. that s going to move its way eastwards across the uk during friday, but there won t be much rain, i think, for england and wales, and the more persistent rain soon sweeps away from mainland scotland. the winds, though, will be stronger. gales likely in the north west, and this is where we ll see most of the showers. 0therwise, there ll be some sunshine, a cooler and fresherfeel, but still 21 in eastern england.
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tens of thousands of protesters are marching in the us capital washington. it s the biggest protest so far during twelve days of demonstrations against the killing of george floyd. thousands of mourners gather to honour george floyd at a second memorial service, this one in his birthplace of north carolina. it comes after a service was held in minneapolis, near where he was killed. his funeral will take place in houston on tuesday. in the uk, thousands of people have gathered in cities across the country, despite warnings to stay at home because of the risk of spreading the coronavirus. the demonstrations were largely peaceful, but there were some clashes with police outside downing street on saturday evening, with mounted officers driving back some of the protestors. now on bbc news, the travel show. from the top of the world s tallest trees. there s nothing else like this on the planet, and i m getting an appreciation for that right now. ..to freezing alpine ice lakes. i m really nervous about my body going into some kind of shock once i get in the water. ..from cambodia s threatened wildlife to the world s largest butterfly migration. coming up this week, we re exploring some amazing ecosystems here on the travel show. hello and welcome to the travel show with me, mike corey, coming to you from my home in eastern canada because, let s face it, our epic adventures and elaborate vacations have been put on hold at least for right now. so what better opportunity to dip our toe back into the archives? listen, it s no secret that our collective globe trotting has had an impact on our world for several years now something we always think about here on the travel show so the plan today is to look at some of our favourite episodes that have tried to shine a light on the issue. first up, a personal highlight of mine on the california coast, when i went to the stretch known as big sur to understand more about the effects of climate change from the top of the world s tallest trees. for over a millennium, redwood trees have become an icon of this state. so these are coast redwoods. they are the tallest tree species in the world, reaching currently about 380 feet tall is the tallest one. they‘ re really important ecologically. they support the habitat and provide habitat for a lot of plants and animals. so as the climate changes, temperatures are increasing, it s drying things out as temperatures get warmer, and that s a big, big consideration for these particular trees because they need so much water, that s affecting their water balance and their ability to transport more water to the tops of the trees. but now, it s time to get to work. groans. there we go. so first, we need a sample of the tree s core. this is the halfway mark there. and then, when we get to the ground, we ll be able to pull that spoon out with the core on it. earlier on, anthony showed me some of those secrets this tree had already revealed. and so, wow, these are the rings here? yeah, yeah. each one of those is an annual ring one year s worth of growth you can see here. you know, there could be 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700 maybe years here. wow. so this section up here hasn t seen sunlight for 600, 700 years? yeah. this redwood stands at over 70 metres tall. climbing redwoods is forbidden in most places, but in this reserve, we have special permission, and what a privilege it is. okay, a0 metres. i can t get over how beautiful this tree is. we have button for the canopy, so there are burn marks on this tree at a0 metres, which boggles my mind. it s incredible up here. anthony told me that wildfires are another threat these trees are increasingly facing in the modern world. bird s nest. i don t think there s anybody home, though. with anthony already at the top collecting samples, i make my final push upwards. this view is definitely one of the wildest, most incredible views i ve seen in my entire life. i can t believe we re 71 metres off the ground right now. this is 700 years old! it is before the colonisation of america, before taj mahal, before machu picchu. it makes me feel like a speck of sand in the sandbox! like, insignificant! yeah, yeah. it s a pretty humbling experience, isn t it? if the climate change conditions dry things out sufficiently, then they might start to feel some impacts. they might not grow as well, they might not get as tall, they might, in the future, even start to die back, and that s what we re trying to figure out. do i feel the tree shaking a little bit? yep, it s waving. okay, just a normal thing, i m assuming? yep! chuckles. 0ne things for sure i will never forget the view from the tops of those trees. next up, we re off to the french alps for a murkier but no less fascinating view of our changing planet, from he very bottom of a glacial lake. lucy heads to france for a swim in some pretty shocking conditions. across the world, global warming is shortening the ski season and starting to seriously affect the economy for lower resorts. the charity protect our winters has been collecting data from climate scientists around the world, all with similar predictions by 2050, the alps could see a reduction in snow by more than a0%. i ve noticed a massive difference, especially the last 25 years that we ve been doing it, of the glaciers retreating, the glaciers getting smaller. in the winters, our winter season s getting shorter. you know, they used to start november very comfortably and now sometimes, we re lucky if they start in december. push on the left ski. good work! the other thing that s quite scary right now is because of these extreme changes in the temperatures that we re seeing, and what this does to the snowpack, it really weakens the way that the snow bonds together, and we ve seen a big rise in the amount of avalanches. here in tignes, the resort has been making plans to ensure its future. woo hoo! ..and one ambitious project is to open an indoor ski dome by the grande motte glacier. these artist impressions show what it will look like in the winter. and also in the summer, to guarantee year round skiing, no matter the weather. hello! hi! well, i m giving my ski legs a rest. nice to meet you, lucy, i m dan. ..to try something a little bit different. okay! yes, that is a mask and regulator. we re gonna start by this little room. ..i‘ve been persuaded into ice diving. i know they said i m not gonna feel the cold, but i m really nervous about my body going into some kind of shock once i get in the water. i m sure it ll be fine, but my mind is currently in overdrive. ijust want to get in now! you re in? perfect! dan will be staying above the ice helping me and another instructor go under. it s not an activity you can do as a group rather, one person at a time with an instructor, for safety reasons. okay, and we rotate into the water now! oh, god! my initial worries of freezing to death quickly went away. perfect! bye bye! ..but it didn t quite go to plan and i had to surface. so my mask started to fill with water and i started to panic, so i was like out! after a little reminder about what to do namely, don t panic i was mentally prepped for another go. 0kay. this time, my mask stayed put, but we decided not to stray too far from the ice hole and my confidence returned. it s an otherworldly experience under the ice, cut off from the noise and distractions above, and it s surprisingly relaxing. 0nly towards the end did my toes and fingers start to tingle a little but otherwise, the dry suit really did keep the cold out. for the really daring, it s possible to also free dive. probably not for me, though! i much prefer having the oxygen tank. and that was lucy in tignes. now, i m not sure about you, but i m feeling a bit chilly after that last piece, so let s warm up and also go back in time to 2016, when we sent henry golding to cambodia to join a special patrol that takes on poachers preying on the local wildlife deep in the jungle. that is shocking, to say the least. have a look at how many chainsaws they ve actually commandeered from these illegal loggers. how many would you say there are, eddie? it s over 500, i ll say, yeah. but this piece of timber that you see here look this is the rosewood, the famous rosewood, which is the more expensive in china. it costs $20,000. $20,000? ..per cubic metres. yes. and these.? cable ties. ..these would just be looped around a tree. yes, yes. ..waiting for something to come along. yes, yes. ..put a foot in there, and then. get it. so, time for me to take on the criminals. kind of. all right. let s go. how ya like me now by the heavy plays. # i found a brand new love for this man. # and can t wait till you see. # i can t wait. # how ya like me now? that was pretty, uh, pretty scary. we saw we were stopping for a little bit of a water break. in the distance, there are two guys on the motorbike who literallyjust leapt on their bike and ran off and luckily, one of the guys actually saw that, started chasing. and what s happened is they ve dropped whatever they were carrying, and this was it rosewood? rosewood, yes. the perpetrators aren t too quick to get away this time. it s clearly a tough job for these rangers. just making our way through the forest is hard enough. how ya like me now by the heavy continues. this ride is getting bumpier and bumpier. it s almost like trying to stay on a bucking bronco. whoa! ha! this deforestation is destroying animals‘ habitats, and that s not the only man made dangers they face here the remains of snares can be found all around. it s a strong piece of stick, okay? planted in the ground. so when he s coming, he s getting this piece of fruit, whatever it is, and he s getting captured. so there s a bit missing here? yes, it s missing a piece of fruit, and i believe something else is missing. so a lot of these traps are designed to maim, rather than kill so they can collect them alive? yes. having seen the indiscriminate damage that snares like these do to even much larger animals than their intended targets, it s quite shocking to see one up close. but witnessing it myself, i also come face to face with the brutal impact this can have. henry taking on poachers in the cambodian jungle. well, make sure to stick with us, because coming up next, we have more great memories of our favourite eco trips, including how to stop your animal selfies putting wildlife in danger. and when i reach the end point of one of the planet s most stunning animal migrations. up next, the banks of the dead sea. this vast salty lake is one of the middle east s top tourist attractions, but it s one that s slowly disappearing, leaving behind a scarred landscape, which we sentjo whalley to explore. this is the lowest point on earth and people come here from all over the world to experience the surreal sensation of floating about in the hyper salty waters. but in recent years, the dead sea has been shrinking back at a rate of more than a metre a year. the phenomenon‘s been caused by a sharp decrease in the amount of water flowing into it. as the countries along the riverjordan, the dead sea s main source, harness its flow for industry and farming. 30 years ago, the dead sea came all the way up here, right to these beach umbrellas. but now the sea s receded so much, the tourists have to be bused by tractor to the water s edge. it s a distance of more than a mile. as the waters recede, huge underground salt deposits are left behind. and when the salt dissolves, the ground above it can collapse without warning, causing sinkholes. yariv has seen the impact first hand. two years ago, this road, which was one of the country s major highways, was closed and re routed after the surface started to sink. everything s just collapsing into this hole? yeah, yeah. and this is one of the and this is power relatively small. or not let s say not so big. that s a small one?! not so big, yeah. it s not a big one, yeah. how many sinkholes are there now? around more than 6,000. 6,500, let s say around 6,500. the beginning of it was the late ‘80s. it was a phenomena nice one, interesting, very interesting phenomena but it escalated very much and very fast. this tourist resort used to be one of the dead sea s few public beaches. two years ago, it had to be evacuated when the ground became too unstable. wow. the whole building just had to be abandoned. yeah. yeah, in a short, very short notice, we have to just take everything take our bags, stuff, equipment. there is a plan to reverse the fortunes of the dead sea by pumping water into it from the red sea, over 100 miles away, but that could take many years, and no one knows for sure if it will work. in the meantime, the people here are determined to rebuild, using satellite mapping to assess where new holes might open up. eli has started taking groups out to safely view the sinkholes. he wants something positive to come out of the problem. um, first of all, to raise the awareness of people to the dead sea crisis and then we have also the other side, the bright side of the problem, and people are amazed by the scenery. it is beautiful. the idea is for people to be able to see the geological wonders that have appeared as the dead sea has receded. wow! it s such a lot to take in, because it s this devastation but it s also beautiful, isn t it? it is beautiful. always, it s better to look in the bright side of the problem. yeah! yes. it s the eerie beauty of this place that it s hoped can be used to attract more tourists to the area and repair some of the economic damage that s been caused by the sinkholes. if you re planning a trip to the dead sea, you don t need to worry about a sinkhole opening up under the beach the affected areas are clearly signposted and shouldn t be entered without guidance from an expert. now to finish our look back at some of our favourite eco trips, here are the lengths that some people will go to protect their native wildlife. first, when carmen visited the charity that s urging people to think twice before taking a selfie with an animal. i m heading to the wildlife friends foundation, three hours drive south of thailand s capital bangkok, to find out what s being done to help animals that have been used in the tourist industry. so how big a problem are these animal selfie pictures? it s huge. example here we have a gibbon being used as a photo prop animal. it s very, very common to see a baby gibbon or a slow loris being carted around by a guy, and people will pay maybe one or 200 baht to have that one second selfie. a lot of these animals are just beaten into submission. so this animal here you can t see unless i zoom, but look, he s on a very, very short chain. infant animals are particularly vulnerable to the photo prop trade. here in the wildlife hospital, babies that have been rescued or abandoned are cared for in the nursery. can you tell me a bit about langurs? why are they so popular in the photo prop industry? because then, when when when they was born, their fur is completely full of orange and with that pinky face, they re so, so cute. they are quite popular to be appealing people to want to take a photo. removing a young animal from its parents impacts their behaviour for life. maggie was found abandoned near the rescue centre. chico grew up in the photo prop industry and was then kept as a pet. he was given to the team here when he became too big to handle. we have carers that shawn and tour who bring maggie and chico into the forest every day and we encourage them to climb in the trees usually by throwing fruit into the trees, wrapped in vines or something like that. oh, okay. we were hoping that he would copy maggie, who is more wild. chico is a little bit more fond of humans. he s coming to say hello now. okay. hi, chico! should i be worried? it s okay. just stay. hi, chico! just stay calm. oh! just stay calm. 0h, hello! okay, yes. 0h, chico s holding my hand. yes. hello, chico. 0h, hi! so he does have a unnatural attachment to humans. he would ve been pulled from the wild as a very young infant. he s been with humans most of his life. we re trying to erase that to a certain extent, but the stark reality of a photo prop animal, it s not all fun and games like we just saw then. yes, he was having fun with you, but if he was to do that to a tourist, he would get beaten with a stick, and that s how they can control these animals. what people should do when they see things like this is safely try and take video footage or photographs. it then needs to be reported to the relevant authorities, and ourselves here at wfft, as we can also inform the department of national parks and the authorities to act. here at the foundation, tourists are encouraged to roll up their sleeves, get dirty, and help care for the rescued animals. and that s far more rewarding than taking a selfie to share with your friends. carmen laughs. and finally, when i met a couple who have dedicated their lives to raising awareness of one of the world s most spectacular migrations. you wouldn t know it to look at, but these hills are just a couple hours‘ drive from mexico city, one of the world s biggest urban conurbations. this is the transatlantic volcanic belt, but it‘s not the volcanoes we‘ve come to see. every winter, millions of butterflies fly for around two months from canada and the us to a few patches of high altitude forests here in mexico. in recent years, the populations have dwindled, thanks to the destruction of habitats in the us and canada and deforestation here in mexico. one study says the numbers have gone down by 84% in the last 20 years. the fear is this one more bad winter and the entire colony could be gone. there isjust one b&b, run byjoel and his american wife ellen, which they set up in an effort to make day trippers stay here for a bit longer. and why do you guys love the butterflies? why are you here? well, you know, like, well, that‘s how i met ellen. that s how we met. that‘s how we met. when we met, there was nothing here. people came on day trips, people came from far away, they paid outside operators to come here, and none of the money stayed in the community. so really, what we ve been trying to do with starting our business is have more people come, stay here. and create morejobs. ..stay in the community, stay longer. and the numbers are much lower than they used to be in the area, with the butterflies? i mean, it s actually gotten better, the numbers have gotten slightly better in the last four seasons, but it s still, you know, dramatically lower than what it was. than it used to be? yeah. while numbers are still critically low, the signs from this year and the last is that the worrying decline appears to be stabilizing. well, that‘s all for this week. and if you need reminding what our beautiful world looked like when we‘re actually able to go see it, check out our social media channels. we‘re all here, hoping we can travel again soon. until then, stay safe, keep planning those future trips, and i‘ll see you soon. hello there. it has been unusually windy the past couple of days. and we will still have a keen north wind with us during making it feel quite chilly near the north sea coast, around this area of low pressure but gradually high pressure building in for the next couple of days. so that will start to dampen the winds down in southern and western areas and the showers. but, as you can see, there are still further outbreaks of rain or showery rain to come, making its way southwards across england and wales. it does allow drier and brighter weather for much of scotland and northern ireland. just a few showers around, some sunshine in sheltered spots but some of the showers, as they think southwards, crossing england and wales, sink southwards, across england and wales, could turn heavy and thundering. and although the winds are easing in southern and western areas, still quite keen in the north, but particularly as well near the north sea coast, just taking the edge off those temperature again 12 or 13. but in southern areas, it might be just a little warmer on saturday, with slightly less wind and a little bit more dry and bright weather. and then through the evening and overnight, any of those showers will ease away and, in fact, we start to see some starry skies coming through. so quite a chilly start to monday morning. there could be some grass frost in the glens of scotland. and that is all due to that area of high pressure, that ridge of high pressure from the azores, starting to build in, for monday and for many, we think, on tuesday as well. however, thereafter there‘s some more much needed rain, we think, on the cards, as this area of low pressure starts to take shape but, as i say, from monday, it is looking like a drier day. still quite a bit of cloud mulling around but some sunshine, some strong sunshine for this time of year. slightly less windy so it will start to feel warmer. there could just be a few sharp downpours developing into the afternoon. into tuesday, another coolish start but we are, at long last, losing that northerly wind that we‘ve had. we pick up a south westerly winds instead, and eventually that will bring some rain, we think, into the north and west but for many feeling warmer because we‘ll have a bit more sunshine and we‘ve lost that northerly breeze. then, as we get towards mid week, some uncertainty still but it is looking now as if low pressure will start to develop to bring all of us some rainfall, and that could well hang around for much of the week, and can sink into southern areas and that will give some appreciable rainfall. so certainly one to keep our eye on. it is looking, as you can see, as if southern areas might get some significant rain as we head towards the middle part of the week. as ever, we will keep you updated. bye bye.
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