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of his own image, in a flowing ochre robe, aviator sunglasses, slightly spacey, at the head of a massive convoy of vehicles. so, you know, it was almost like being in the room with his spitting image puppet. and in the case of those two men, you had also spent time reporting on the consequences of the actions of their government. considerable amount, yeah — and their victims. how did you square the two men who were in front of you, who was speaking to you with apparent of you, who were speaking to you with apparent conviction, and what you knew to be the cause of their instructions? well, i tried to use it against them. for example, with gaddafi, he was saying, "my people love me. they love me all" — i remember him saying that. he said it in english. and i said, "well, hang on a minute. i was just — earlier on today, people were out on the streets of tripoli and they were protesting."
a very good brief — so, you know, you get these things which you can push back at them. but yeah, if they're going to keep at it, they're going to keep at it. and in those moments on each side of the interview when you arrive, when you're packing up, both with president asaad but also gaddafi as well, can you learn things about how they interact with their colleagues, about how they carry themselves? absolutely. assad is incredibly polite in a sort of old world, courtly way. he'll leap to his feet when you get to the room. he'll break his neck to make sure he's not the first person through the door — "after you," and then, he always — i've interviewed him a few times — and he always gives you about ten or 15 minutes one on one beforehand, you have a little chat. gaddafi, on the other hand, you know, he swept in, the absolute caricature of his own image, you know, in a flowing ochre robe, aviator sunglasses, slightly spacey, at the head of a massive
which you can push back at them. but yeah, if they're going to keep at it, they're going to keep at it. and in those moments on each side of the interview when you arrive, when you're packing up, both with president asaad, but also gaddafi as well, can you learn things about how they interact with their colleagues, about how they carry themselves? absolutely. assad is incredibly polite in a sort of old world, courtly way. he'll leap to his feet when you get to the room. he'll break his neck to make sure he's not the first person through the door — "after you," and then, he always — i've interviewed him a few times — and he always gives you about ten or 15 minutes one on one beforehand, you have a little chat. gaddafi, on the other hand, you know, he swept in, the absolute caricature of his own image, in a flowing ochre robe, aviator sunglasses, slightly spacey, at the head of a massive convoy of vehicles.
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