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and the saudi administration. that s easily available to anybody with computer these days. rather than both sides making a big brew ha ha, one side with diplomate spies and one side reciprocating, we re hearing them both say listen, this is a bad thing, the russians have admitted that most of them were russian citizens. but both sides are saying hey, let s not let things get out of cell. our relationship is getting better. i have to believe that the highest circles of the russian government were aware of this network and were willing to pay for it and support it for this extended period of time. it s hard for me to believe that they would do that without some sort of production, some sort of take. charlie: we continue with the story of pandora, the hugely successful internet music site with the founder, tim westergren. i think as people get older, and by that i mean into their 20 s, get a job have a family, time gets a little bit tight, i think they really lose ....