That something comes of it, that there are consequences to this and that people are paying attention to what this man did and tried to do to this country at a moment of great peril and of great crisis. barbara mcquade, charlie sykes, could spend a lot longer with you. if it weren t for ukraine, we would have. thanks for spending the time we did have together. the next hour of deadline white house starts right after this quick break. deadline white house starts right after this quick break first psoriasis, then psoriatic arthritis. it was really holding me back. standing up.
The judge said that trump s words show that he and the proud boys and oath keepers, quote, pursued the same goal and that trump would have known his words were understood as a, quote, call to action. and that his response to the violence made it all the more plausible that he was involved in a, quote, tacit agreement with the rioters. joining us now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade and charlie sykes, who is still here. barb, this opinion is a barn burner. i could quote from it, maybe i will, but first i want to ask you what you make of it and why it s important. well, legally, john, the reason it s important is it says that these lawsuits can go forward. ordinarily, a president is able to use immunity to get out from under civil lawsuits. anything he does within the scope of his presidency is covered by immunity but the courts say he wasn t acting as president. he was acting as a disgruntled candidate and for that reason, all that behavior may be the
Object. friend charlie sykes lays out the dangers with quote. what we can know is that putin is fully aware that he faces a divided u.s. and voices on the right are chanting the propaganda. putin can be forgiven if he thinks it s the maga world. and he may be especially emboldens if he believes that trump himself may return to the oval office. joining me now is clint watts. now a distinguished research fellow and the aforementioned charlie sykes from the bulwark and mike mcfaul is back with us. charlie, i guess when you watch those maga people, those people on the network that say those things and josh hawley
Subject of a civil suit, but importantly, he links up his behavior with that of the oath keepers and the proud boys. i think that is an avenue that ought to be explored by criminal prosecutors because there is a statute that makes it a crime to conspire with others to intimidate or prevent someone from doing their job, who is a federal officer, and that person in this case is mike pence. so even if he didn t intend to incite the riot, if he was just trying to intimidate mike pence with his conduct there, that could be not only the basis for a civil suit but also criminal charges. charlie, i read this opinion but it s so obviously true that it almost seems kind of redundant to say, but i will say this judge has a colorful way with words, compares trump s january 6th rally speech to telling an excited mob that corn-dealers starve the poof in front of corn-dealer s home. nice turn after phrase. i like that. and compelling. do you think that where do you think this is headed in terms of both the legal and political implications of it? does it matter to trump? does this have any real impact?
And iran are our values. we are democrats. we believe in ideals of democracy and for the fight with china that is our most strongest instrument to compete with them. ships and boats and that s we can be equal. they don t get that. when tucker carlson said two countries fighting. no. one is a democracy. one is an autocracy. russia. and that part they don t get and very dangerous. one last thing. this is an echo of earlier. this was happening in the 1930s. oh boy. ambassador, clint, thank you. charlie, you re sticking around a federal judge said that donald trump could be held responsible for the attack on january 6 and letting three civil lawsuits against the former president move ahead. that s next. e ahead.