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and so i think the initiatives such as freezing spending for five years to produce a 400 billion-dollar cut in the deficit that's nice but it's a token compared to what we really should be doing. we have to make some very difficult decisions and have to go much further than $400 million in savings. >> , hersman sutherland, thank you for spending a few minutes here on c-span as we get a chance to know some new members of congress following the state of the union speech. but a long term, long time member of congress -- >> not so long. >> with 87 members that is a long time, congressmen...

yield? the gentleman sailed mr. hoyer was going to speak, have things changed? mr. mcgovern: it has changed. there is great interest in this. i yield one and a half minute to the gentlewoman from texas, ms. jackson lee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized for 1 and a half minutes. ms. jackson lee: i thank the gentleman from massachusetts and i consider the gentleman from california a colleague that i've known for a good while and i know that there are certainly good intentions. but i always believe that when you're elected to this powerful body that represents over...