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It's like patently absurd on its face. you walk around to talk to these republicans. paul ryan has become the champion of this. the president tweeted today. the president has legal troubles? i'm sorry. i haven't seen that tweet. >> to be fair if you'll look at this from a political standpoint, what do they gain in what do those republican senators gain or paul ryan gain by calling out the president or calling out an investigation or talking about something they don't totally know what's going on. as all of us have some issues in knowing what mueller is doing because we don't have all the infor...

Republicans. paul ryan has become the champion of this. the president tweeted today. the president has legal troubles? i'm sorry. i haven't seen that tweet. >> to be fair if you'll look at this from a political standpoint, what do they gain in what do those republican senators gain or paul ryan gain by calling out the president or calling out an investigation or talking about something they don't totally know what's going on. as all of us have some issues in knowing what mueller is doing because we don't have all the information. from a pr perspective, you don't want to end up in the orrin hat...

Then there could be pardon down the road. >> those are good points. the president did say they are very brave for refusing to flip. >> sending a pretty clear message. what component is what is the risk the president is taking from a pr perspective from the public perception component of this. the public opposes the president pardoning these people who are affiliated with him. two-thirds of americans over the summer posed this. the president is taking a pretty huge and clear political risk by sending these signals. there could be a huge political backlash. there's a cross benefit going on for h...

Mike barnicle and daniel goldman, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. barb mcquaid, we heard chris christie say something that could be interpreted as a benign statement that had no ill intent or as problem at nick terms of what he thinks whitaker is in this job to do. how do you read that statement from christie on both sides. >> the benign way you can say that from a sort of an optics perspective, a pr perspective, matt whitaker is there to be there to the end of the mueller investigation and then a new attorney general could come in and turn the page, start with a cl...

Question in that way in a spur of the moment thing. it was in response to the question about whether he was involved in some kind of group sex. it was specifically in answer to that. nevertheless do you think this was designed to make people uncomfortable so that they would say, you know, a supreme court nominee shouldn't have to talk about when the first time he had sex was. look how far we've devolved here. this whole process stinks. >> john, i think it was a risky strategy honestly from a pr perspective. yes, you have his unequivocal denial, he was answering uncomfortable questions, but i a...